Rincewind Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 Just seen this in my Yahoo mailbox which was posted on another messageboard. This will affect the ones of you who do a lot of driving. Something we should all sign up to!!!! It is legitimate and is a direct, electronic petition presented from the 10 Downing Street Website. Please sign up your support and pass it on to all. It only takes a minute and affects all!!!!! The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit you can expect a NIP (Notice of Intended Prosecution) with your monthly bill. If you care about our freedoms and stopping the constant bashing of the car and motorcycle driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website PETITION http://petitions. pm.gov.uk/ traveltax/ http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/ Please pass this on to anyone who owns a car/motorcycle. It will affect them all!!!
stez Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 i would love there to be pay as you drive tax, so long as the car tax disc was scrapped. when i lived in leicester i would've used public transport lots more, but for the fact i'd been forced to tax my car for a year (or 6 months) so i resented shelling out twice. living here, there is no public transport (to speak of) but i'm still willing to pay by the mile. of course it should be on petrol, but the tories focked that up.
Daggers Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 Can anyone imagine the complexity of the software that is going to be required in order for this to work...logging EVERY journey for EVERY vehicle EVERY day? Christ! They can't even sort out a system to transfer patient records onto a damn database. The concept of road pricing through this method is a parrot, a dead parrot.
stez Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 Can anyone imagine the complexity of the software that is going to be required in order for this to work...logging EVERY journey for EVERY vehicle EVERY day? Christ! They can't even sort out a system to transfer patient records onto a damn database. The concept of road pricing through this method is a parrot, a dead parrot. that's why it should've gone onto petrol
Guest Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 A non working mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month. And what's the betting she has a husband in a well paid job, drives a Chelsea tractor, and the school's a mere half a mile down the road. <_<
Thracian Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 that's why it should've gone onto petrol Is there any limit to hypocrisy? Blair involves us in a obscenely expensive war under totally false pretences, prompting endless environmentally damaging and financially crippling military air flights day in and day out for months going into years. Then there's the manufacture and despatch of hugely expensive, polluting weaponry, the incalculable environmental and social damage, not to mention the huge medical costs to mend the bodies of thousands upon thousands of people, itself at the cost of its own environmental bill. Oh yes and the damage to infrastructure which will take decades to put right and all the otherwise unnecessary vehicular journeys that will take to effect that and which is just to scratch the surface. And you would give him carte blanche to hit our pockets some more. Last I read this Government already extracts more in taxation that any previous Government. Not any previous Conservative Government but any previous Government of any political persuasion. This Labour Government's greed for your money and mine is already shamelessly unfettered. Why stop there. Why not just give Blair all our money to use as he wishes and call us slaves? It is obvious we need some answers on vehicular pollution but Blair's sincerity would sound a lot more convincing (if Blair could ever sound sincere) were he to first stop being Britain's number one environmental arsehole. And started putting his efforts into some real answers. PS: I doubt I'll travel as far in my lifetime as he travels in one summer of jet-set jaunts to wherever he fancies going. So why the bloody hell should my comparatively few miles be squeezed because of his two-faced whims?
stez Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 <words> how you linked that to what i said, i'm not entirely sure
Thracian Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 how you linked that to what i said, i'm not entirely sure Lets just simplify one aspect. Why should I pay an environmental tax while he carries on so wantonly wasting money in the environmental disaster that is Iraq?.
stez Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 Lets just simplify one aspect. Why should I pay an environmental tax while he carries on so wantonly wasting money in the environmental disaster that is Iraq?. i personally don't see my idea as an environmental tax (and i've been bleating on about it since pre '97) it's a pay for what you use tax, not a pay to have your car taxed for a year whether you use it or not.
Webbo Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 And what's the betting she has a husband in a well paid job, drives a Chelsea tractor, and the school's a mere half a mile down the road. <_< my wife drives the kids to school because she has to go to work straight after. i'm not on brilliant money, the cars a renault and the school's about 2 miles away.
Steven Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 my wife drives the kids to school because she has to go to work straight after. i'm not on brilliant money, the cars a renault and the school's about 2 miles away. That's another 20 odd quid a week.
Guest Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 my wife drives the kids to school because she has to go to work straight after. i'm not on brilliant money, the cars a renault and the school's about 2 miles away. Am I knocking you and your family?
Webbo Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 Am I knocking you and your family? not saying you are. but not all women who take their children school are idle rich bitches with more money than sense, as some people imply.
Guest Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 not saying you are. but not all women who take their children school are idle rich bitches with more money than sense, as some people imply. I wasn't implying anything. I was pointing out that there aren't enough facts to glean any sympathy from me.
cisono Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 Can anyone imagine the complexity of the software that is going to be required in order for this to work...logging EVERY journey for EVERY vehicle EVERY day? Christ! They can't even sort out a system to transfer patient records onto a damn database. The concept of road pricing through this method is a parrot, a dead parrot. No worries... they will probably give the huge contract to the same company that has messed out the NHS system Obviously it won't work, it may well tax the wrong people or the right people the wrong amounts, but it will certainly make them loads of money!
act smiley Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 They'll never actually implement this, its too awkward to maintain, they'll merely propose it, wait for everyone to get worked up by it and post on that petition, then scrap it to cover up an extra £75 a year on car tax and everyone will go "phew, at least its not road pricing" and think that the government listened while it was all just one giant PR scam to stop people noticing car tax rises.
lookwhaticando Posted 15 January 2007 Posted 15 January 2007 The solution that was being touted was one that requires little effort from the taxpayer - a system of tracking devices that monitor your cars movements 24/7. Such a system would log your movements, and just issue you a statement showing you exactly what you did during a given year. The technology already exists for such a system. The downside is the development costs of such a system. You need to install it and maintain it... that is, if you manage to get it up and running in a timely fashion (unlikely, as it's a public expenditure project). It'd be very costly to set up. How do you make up the money to pay for it? Tax. Chances are, if they ever did set up such a system (last estimate I read was 2012, but that's highly optimistic I'd imagine) the road tax wouldn't be replaced by a mileage tax... they'd keep both. In fact, that's the kind of thing you can bet your last fiver on - particularly if you have a government that has big-government ideals - such as a Gordon Brown led Labour government.
Dr The Singh Posted 15 January 2007 Posted 15 January 2007 Nightmare for me, as I commute!! I would only except such a proposal if I had options or a suitabe public transport, which will never happen in a million years. If this tax bill is introduced i'm emmigrating!! The whole environment reason is nonsense, Britain contirbutes to around 1.5% of the worlds emissions and in a world where the likes of China and India and other 3rd world countries are producing coal\fossil fuel plants daily, it's all 'unconsequential'!!!
The People's Hero Posted 15 January 2007 Posted 15 January 2007 Can anyone imagine the complexity of the software that is going to be required in order for this to work...logging EVERY journey for EVERY vehicle EVERY day? Christ! They can't even sort out a system to transfer patient records onto a damn database. The concept of road pricing through this method is a parrot, a dead parrot. Precisely. They can't process papers which come in regarding something as serious as possible previous sex/kiddie convictions of those who've recently entered the country and could be working in sensitive areas with the nation's kids... ... but they reckon they'll be able to process millions and millions of separate accounts for this? Ludicrous. I'd be worried if I thought they could pull it off.
Janx Posted 15 January 2007 Posted 15 January 2007 my wife drives the kids to school because she has to go to work straight after. i'm not on brilliant money, the cars a renault and the school's about 2 miles away. it said NON WORKING MUM.... Lisa made a point based on the facts given.(barely)...
Leicfox Posted 15 January 2007 Posted 15 January 2007 I'm all for measures aimed at preserving or even improving the environment but stand firmly against the increasing introduction of control by cost. What these type of measures do is hit the poorer paid whilst being just an inconvenience to the better off.Follow this line and you have the rich having better air and cleaner water than the oi poloi. By what right should assets paid for by by general taxation be effectively rationed by cost to the wealthy! Should the poor be forced on to ever more crowded and expensive trains or just not travel? Just because people don't have the funds are they expected to wait around for irregular and inefficient bus services and face a far higher risk of being mugged than someone who can afford to drive everywhere? One of the benefits of a mobile society is the ability to travel further in order to secure a better job. These and other similar proposals make that more difficult for those with lower incomes, perhaps resulting in more absentee parents and thus more delinquent kids. It is all too easy to state that one would willingly pay it, you can. What about those that can't? Unfortunately it is also easy to believe that there is neither the wit nor will among the politicians and their advisers to find a means of achieving laudable goals without unduly hitting the less fortunate. To the barricades!! This is just another stealth tax.
Janx Posted 15 January 2007 Posted 15 January 2007 I'm all for measures aimed at preserving or even improving the environment but stand firmly against the increasing introduction of control by cost. What these type of measures do is hit the poorer paid whilst being just an inconvenience to the better off.Follow this line and you have the rich having better air and cleaner water than the oi poloi. By what right should assets paid for by by general taxation be effectively rationed by cost to the wealthy! Should the poor be forced on to ever more crowded and expensive trains or just not travel? Just because people don't have the funds are they expected to wait around for irregular and inefficient bus services and face a far higher risk of being mugged than someone who can afford to drive everywhere? One of the benefits of a mobile society is the ability to travel further in order to secure a better job. These and other similar proposals make that more difficult for those with lower incomes, perhaps resulting in more absentee parents and thus more delinquent kids. It is all too easy to state that one would willingly pay it, you can. What about those that can't? Unfortunately it is also easy to believe that there is neither the wit nor will among the politicians and their advisers to find a means of achieving laudable goals without unduly hitting the less fortunate. To the barricades!! This is just another stealthBLATANT THEIVING BASTAD tax. KELLY OUT! BLAIR/BROWN/JEEDUB OUT!
Daggers Posted 15 January 2007 Posted 15 January 2007 Apparently they are also planning on taxing pedestrians for the deterioration to pavements by using radio controlled pedometers. Not only that, but these pedometers will also have motion sensors so that they can also tax sexual activity. Are their no shocking limits to their disgusting money grabbing behaviour? No, is the answer. They are also planning on charging an airspace fee for all planes with antidetection coatings - that's right a disgusting stealthy stealth tax. Oh the pain! Oh the humanity! Will none of these so-called politicians think of the baby children?!
Janx Posted 15 January 2007 Posted 15 January 2007 Apparently they are also planning on taxing pedestrians for the deterioration to pavements by using radio controlled pedometers. Not only that, but these pedometers will also have motion sensors so that they can also tax sexual activity. Are their no shocking limits to their disgusting money grabbing behaviour? No, is the answer. They are also planning on charging an airspace fee for all planes with antidetection coatings - that's right a disgusting stealthy stealth tax. Oh the pain! Oh the humanity! Will none of these so-called politicians think of the baby children?! feckin lefties!
Guest Posted 15 January 2007 Posted 15 January 2007 Will none of these so-called politicians think of the baby children?! They'll be taxed next year. And about bloody time......
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