Jimmy Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 Our Squd Keepers Rab Douglas - Free Paul Henderson - Free Conrad Logan - Youth Defenders Richard Stearman - Youth Gareth McAuley - Free Patrick Kisnorbo - Free Nils-Eric Johannson - Free Paddy McCarthy © - 100k Alan Sheehan - Youth Darren Kenton - Free Alan Maybury - Nominal (around 50k) Scott Lycett - Youth Midfielders Danny Tiatto - Free Stephen Hughes - 100k Gareth Williams - 500k Levi Porter - Youth James Wesolowski - Youth Andy Johnson - Free Max Gradel - Youth Strikers Iain Hume - 750k Matty Fryatt - Undisclosed (probly about 500k) Elvis Hammond - 225k Mark de Vries - 50k Danny Cadamarteri - Free Louis Dodds - Youth Eric Odhiambo - Free/Youth Ashley Chambers - Youth in total around £2.275M are those fees right though i wasnt sure on some of them? no wonder we're in the shit.
FrankieWorthoYaggedMyWife Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 I thought Elvis was £375k and Hume was £500k rising on apps etc? I also thought Fryatt was less than that?
Jimmy Posted 25 January 2007 Author Posted 25 January 2007 I thought Elvis was £375k and Hume was £500k rising on apps etc? I also thought Fryatt was less than that? fryatts fee raised as we stayed up, i got the elvis fee from wikipedia you may be right about hume though
Geo V Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 Im sure Fryatt was only about £350k and Hume wasnt that much. Either way it makes the point that its very difficult to do much if you havent got any money and keep selling your best players. Unfortunately, we have to rely on the youth team to keep churning out valuable players so that we can cash in on (like Heskey, Piper etc) because we are in so much financial strife. I think we must praise RK for some of the freebies he has managed to bring in also. He hasnt had much to spend but he seems to have spent it wisely and attracted some decent freebies, especially McAuley.
davieG Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 Our SqudKeepers Rab Douglas - Free Paul Henderson - Free Conrad Logan - Youth Defenders Richard Stearman - Youth Gareth McAuley - Free Patrick Kisnorbo - Free Nils-Eric Johannson - Free Paddy McCarthy © - 100k Alan Sheehan - Youth Darren Kenton - Free Alan Maybury - Nominal (around 50k) Scott Lycett - Youth Midfielders Danny Tiatto - Free Stephen Hughes - 100k Gareth Williams - 500k Levi Porter - Youth James Wesolowski - Youth Andy Johnson - Free Max Gradel - Youth Strikers Iain Hume - 750k Matty Fryatt - Undisclosed (probly about 500k) Elvis Hammond - 225k Mark de Vries - 50k Danny Cadamarteri - Free Louis Dodds - Youth Eric Odhiambo - Free/Youth Ashley Chambers - Youth in total around £2.275M are those fees right though i wasnt sure on some of them? no wonder we're in the shit. How much has come the other way during this period?
renards Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 350k with add ons, alot of add ons. Thats what I remember and a crazy amount of sale add ons
Jimmy Posted 25 January 2007 Author Posted 25 January 2007 How much has come the other way during this period? since the start of last season roughly £3.16M + any money for loaning mdv out twice
davieG Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 since the start of last season roughly £3.16M + any money for loaning mdv out twice So who said this board can't manage properly? A tidy profit and maintaining our position in the league - what more can one ask for?
Jimmy Posted 25 January 2007 Author Posted 25 January 2007 So who said this board can't manage properly? A tidy profit and maintaining our position in the league - what more can one ask for? not when you remember we have no parachute payments from the start of this season
Thracian Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 Our Squd Keepers Rab Douglas - Free Paul Henderson - Free Conrad Logan - Youth Defenders Richard Stearman - Youth Gareth McAuley - Free Patrick Kisnorbo - Free Nils-Eric Johannson - Free Paddy McCarthy © - 100k Alan Sheehan - Youth Darren Kenton - Free Alan Maybury - Nominal (around 50k) Scott Lycett - Youth Midfielders Danny Tiatto - Free Stephen Hughes - 100k Gareth Williams - 500k Levi Porter - Youth James Wesolowski - Youth Andy Johnson - Free Max Gradel - Youth Strikers Iain Hume - 750k Matty Fryatt - Undisclosed (probly about 500k) Elvis Hammond - 225k Mark de Vries - 50k Danny Cadamarteri - Free Louis Dodds - Youth Eric Odhiambo - Free/Youth Ashley Chambers - Youth in total around £2.275M are those fees right though i wasnt sure on some of them? no wonder we're in the shit. That's a bit of a testament to the management in my view - both Levein, Kelly, the Academy people and the Board as well. Why? Because considering we sold Connolly for £3m and have picked up a few bits and pieces for others, that's squad has to be worth a stack more than was ever paid for it. As I've said before, no wonder Mandaric wants to buy in. And that's before you put Mattock and King on the list - even, perhaps, Joe Magunda before too long. Still doesn't explain the mistakes though -the wholesale waste of money on people who were never going to be good enough.
FrankieWorthoYaggedMyWife Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 Still doesn't explain the mistakes though -the wholesale waste of money on people who were never going to be good enough Is'nt that a bit of a contradiction?
Geo V Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 That's a bit of a testament to the management in my view - both Levein, Kelly, the Academy people and the Board as well. Why? Because considering we sold Connolly for £3m and have picked up a few bits and pieces for others, that's squad has to be worth a stack more than was ever paid for it. As I've said before, no wonder Mandaric wants to buy in. And that's before you put Mattock and King on the list - even, perhaps, Joe Magunda before too long. Still doesn't explain the mistakes though -the wholesale waste of money on people who were never going to be good enough. I think we have been forced to play the youngsters mate and if MM or some moneyman comes in (wheres Willie Thorne when you need him? Get him to sell his old cues an auction his tache), do you honestly believe that these youngsters will feature as often in the first team? Most are only involved now through lack of funds or last resort and none have come in and become instant world beaters
Jimmy Posted 25 January 2007 Author Posted 25 January 2007 I think we have been forced to play the youngsters mate and if MM or some moneyman comes in (wheres Willie Thorne when you need him? Get him to sell his old cues an auction his tache), do you honestly believe that these youngsters will feature as often in the first team? Most are only involved now through lack of funds or last resort and none have come in and become instant world beaters boro aren't exactly strapped for cash yet they have just as many, if not more "home-grown" players in their squad
lookwhaticando Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 boro aren't exactly strapped for cash yet they have just as many, if not more "home-grown" players in their squad Newcastle have played a lot of kids in recent months, too. Neither club is exactly hard up for cash. In Newcastle's case it's more a lack of depth to the squad - two or three more injuries and they'll have to pick some U15s!
Jimmy Posted 25 January 2007 Author Posted 25 January 2007 Newcastle have played a lot of kids in recent months, too. Neither club is exactly hard up for cash. In Newcastle's case it's more a lack of depth to the squad - two or three more injuries and they'll have to pick some U15s! the players they have out injured could probably make up a top 10 side, if not a euro spot
Thracian Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 I think we have been forced to play the youngsters mate and if MM or some moneyman comes in (wheres Willie Thorne when you need him? Get him to sell his old cues an auction his tache), do you honestly believe that these youngsters will feature as often in the first team? Most are only involved now through lack of funds or last resort and none have come in and become instant world beaters Young players don't have to come in and be world beaters individually. But when there's enough good ones together, who've been used to winning as a group, it can very occasionally form the basis of an excellent team. There's always room for class players from outside - and I'd be as excited about that prospect as anyone - but we've not had quality from outside nor are there signs we're going to get it. We've had journeymen who've never threatened to take us forward. Our single most important problem is not simply the lack of money. It is refusing, even when we have the chance, to mend the remaining weaknesses that we have had for far too long by introducing more players who can compliment the attacking style we are slowly trying to develop. An attacking team needs threat from every position and needs to support attacks quickly, efficiently and with consistent determination. You cannot successfully mix players with different focal mentalities. Just for example it starts at the back. How often does our goalkeeper throw the ball out and launch an attack to a full-back who is eager to receive it?. Hardly ever. You just cannot base an attacking team on that sort of approach. Watch the top teams and the best goalkepers. The ball is caught and delivered to the flanks in one movement sometimes. Exactly who are we "forced" to play? Levi instead of Welsh? Logan instead of Douglas? Weso instead Johnson. Fryatt instead of DeVries?. I'll take youth thanks. You can waste a lot of money on past-it players. Only a few who are genuinely any good are likely to be found pissing about in the Championship. And our kids are every bit as good as the second tier of options. A good example would be Joey. Goodish attacking Championship midfielder, no question. But better than King?. Not to my mind. And not according to Alkmaar by the sound of things. King ticks more boxes. The bonus is he won't cost a bomb in wages and he's not likely to depreciate in value.
AyewJoking Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 Im sure Fryatt was only about £350k and Hume wasnt that much. Either way it makes the point that its very difficult to do much if you havent got any money and keep selling your best players. Unfortunately, we have to rely on the youth team to keep churning out valuable players so that we can cash in on (like Heskey, Piper etc) because we are in so much financial strife.I think we must praise RK for some of the freebies he has managed to bring in also. He hasnt had much to spend but he seems to have spent it wisely and attracted some decent freebies, especially McAuley. Who else?
Chrysalis Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 So who said this board can't manage properly? A tidy profit and maintaining our position in the league - what more can one ask for? You not been reading all the posts I take it. The profit was a one off in the season we sold connolly and parachute money. Next years figures will give a few a heart attack.
Geo V Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 Young players don't have to come in and be world beaters individually. But when there's enough good ones together, who've been used to winning as a group, it can very occasionally form the basis of an excellent team. There's always room for class players from outside - and I'd be as excited about that prospect as anyone - but we've not had quality from outside nor are there signs we're going to get it. We've had journeymen who've never threatened to take us forward. Our single most important problem is not simply the lack of money. It is refusing, even when we have the chance, to mend the remaining weaknesses that we have had for far too long by introducing more players who can compliment the attacking style we are slowly trying to develop. An attacking team needs threat from every position and needs to support attacks quickly, efficiently and with consistent determination. You cannot successfully mix players with different focal mentalities. Just for example it starts at the back. How often does our goalkeeper throw the ball out and launch an attack to a full-back who is eager to receive it?. Hardly ever. You just cannot base an attacking team on that sort of approach. Watch the top teams and the best goalkepers. The ball is caught and delivered to the flanks in one movement sometimes. Exactly who are we "forced" to play? Levi instead of Welsh? Logan instead of Douglas? Weso instead Johnson. Fryatt instead of DeVries?. I'll take youth thanks. You can waste a lot of money on past-it players. Only a few who are genuinely any good are likely to be found pissing about in the Championship. And our kids are every bit as good as the second tier of options. A good example would be Joey. Goodish attacking Championship midfielder, no question. But better than King?. Not to my mind. And not according to Alkmaar by the sound of things. King ticks more boxes. The bonus is he won't cost a bomb in wages and he's not likely to depreciate in value. Thracian, you missed the point I made. What I am saying is that I dont have major objections to trying youngsters, at the right time, with the current squad we have. However, if we want to be one of the big boys of this division again (forget the premiership), we have to get into the position where we are playing better quality players than the journeymen you are listing, but adding players who have proven abilities. Look at Birmingham, 3 strikers added, all worth over £10m to replace the departing Heskey. 3 Arsenal players in on loan (young but with more ability than our youth teamers), Derby add £1.5m players from Man Utd and the likes of Pearson, Teale and getting Lupoli on loan. Sunderland buy £3m strikers in Stokes and have made god knows how many other purchases. As ideologic as it is to have youngsters of class coming straight into the side, its not gonna happen. We need proven class players who can learn and train with the kids to bring them on instead of throwing them all in and expect miracles. I`d love nothing more than to see a handful of our kids lining up for our first team in the premiership but this club hasnt got time to babysit a handful or two lots of kids whilst they learn there trade and then punt them out when we work out they havent got what it takes. GET SOME FOOKING QUALITY IN before this club goes down the shitepan and follows Forest.
Strokes Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 You not been reading all the posts I take it. The profit was a one off in the season we sold connolly and parachute money. Next years figures will give a few a heart attack. Well in transfers we are in profit this year, we've paid no transfer fees and sold COG and Low.
Geo V Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 Who else? I suppose Cada has been OK in a short time, Kenton adds back-up to the defence in a number of positions and McAuley has come from nowhere to be our best player in many peoples minds. I cant be easy to do a job with no money. Look at MA with Cov. He spent £1m on one player (Ward from West Ham) and the same on Leon McKenzie from Norwich and these were deals done before they sold McSheffery. We could only dream to go and buy two £1m players and all we do under RK is scrape the barrel so we shouldnt be over critical of RK in my opinion.
DB11 Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 Either way, the prices are way low and some Championship teams could buy our whole squad We need to start investing
potter3 Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 I thought we bought Maybury, de Vries and Kisnorbo at the same time - £100K for all three of them
Thracian Posted 25 January 2007 Posted 25 January 2007 Thracian, you missed the point I made. What I am saying is that I dont have major objections to trying youngsters, at the right time, with the current squad we have. However, if we want to be one of the big boys of this division again (forget the premiership), we have to get into the position where we are playing better quality players than the journeymen you are listing, but adding players who have proven abilities. Look at Birmingham, 3 strikers added, all worth over £10m to replace the departing Heskey. 3 Arsenal players in on loan (young but with more ability than our youth teamers), Derby add £1.5m players from Man Utd and the likes of Pearson, Teale and getting Lupoli on loan. Sunderland buy £3m strikers in Stokes and have made god knows how many other purchases. As ideologic as it is to have youngsters of class coming straight into the side, its not gonna happen. We need proven class players who can learn and train with the kids to bring them on instead of throwing them all in and expect miracles. I`d love nothing more than to see a handful of our kids lining up for our first team in the premiership but this club hasnt got time to babysit a handful or two lots of kids whilst they learn there trade and then punt them out when we work out they havent got what it takes. GET SOME FOOKING QUALITY IN before this club goes down the shitepan and follows Forest. I agree with pretty well all of that. Unfortunately the transfer window is about to close, we don't have a Fairy Godfather in place yet and we have to do the best with what resources we do have until that happens. I'll be perfectly happy when the time comes to see the sort of players you've mentioned at our club but what I don't want is any more wasters coming along to hold our youngsters back, because once they're here they seem to have a charmed life selection wise. The kind of players you mention would speed the development of our youngsters anyway but they are not the kind of "experienced" signings I've seen so far and I'm not sure such people would want to come this season to a club that's languishing so far down the League table. Instead I could name four or five older players who haven't deserved to wear a Leicester shirt these last two years but they have, just the same. Why? And five more who would never lead us forward. Why? And why do I hear calls, not for brilliant midfielders but for yesterday's men like Joey who are not as good as we already have in King? Sometimes it seems we simply buy experience for its own sake rather than to genuinely steer the team forward. Make no mistake though. I'm with you when we get a good one.
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