Brainy Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 Is it a problem we should be worrying about? Are you doing anything to stop this? Is it possible to stop? I think it's always been happening, and it will carry on changing. We can stop driving our 4 x 4's, but the most it will do is slow it down. Thoughts..?
hairy Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 Stopping 4 x 4 will do very little. Its the inductries in the US and China we need to tackle.
Zingari Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 the world has always been subject to climate change and i see very little point worrying about it ; ice ages etc have come and gone without man's involvement
Jon the Hat Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 It's crap based on computer models extrapolating dodgy data and based on no valid assumptions whatsoever. If you want, as I do, to take care of the planet, reduce your impact on the natural environment and make the Earth a better place to live, do it. You don't have to buy into this crap to do so. Reduce your emmissions so we can all breathe Recycle so we aren't surrounded by rubbish Use less Petrol & Gas so we don't all starve when it starts to run out Prevent the destruction of the countryside so we can all enjoy it Stop the human destruction of important environments to protect the wildlife that lives there
Flynny Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 It's happening. It's HIGHLY likely that we caused it or have at least caused a very good deal of it. Not a certainty, but likely enough that we should be feeling a bit guilty. But what can you do? Blair was absolutely panned for saying that he's waiting on science for an answer a few weeks back, but for once he's right. Right now the entire world is reliant on fossil fuels and there's fook all we can do about it. Turning your light off isn't going to save a glacier. Unless we want to like live cave-men again, we can't stop emissions.
Daggers Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 Personally, I simply can not be bothered to try to save the world...I'll be leaving that up to teenagers, the bearded folk and them that does what they's told.
Webbo Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 personally i think global warming is a big con, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do our bit for the planet. a) we should recycle, nobody wants to live next to a landfill site. b)car fumes might not warm the earth, but breathing them in doesn't do you any good. c)by finding an alternative to fossil fuels we won't be held to ransom by unfriendly countries.
dandannieldanok Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 Couldn't give a fook, Global Warming is bullocks anyway, look how cold it is.
Milky Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 It's too late to do anything now, it's just delaying the inevitable. Sit back and enjoy the ride.
Scarby Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 it is clearly happening! HOWEVER we are coming out of an Ice Age, so we should be warming up! the impact of man on it all is anybodys guess!
cisono Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 Not worried. That's because you haven't been on the planet long enough to notice weather changes
potter3 Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 If the government (or whoever) was really bothered, they'd pay for every home to have a couple of solar panels installed, and a mini wind-farm. A fried of someone actually generates so much energy like that he sells some back to the electricity company
lcfc_jme Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 That's because you haven't been on the planet long enough to notice weather changes I'm also still a teenager, so apparently I only care about myself and need not worry about any of the important things in life. I'm still immature and have a lot of growing up to do.
cisono Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 I'm also still a teenager, so apparently I only care about myself and need not worry about any of the important things in life. I'm still immature and have a lot of growing up to do. I didn't want to point all that out
Thracian Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 I'm with Cisono all the way on this - and if you'd read what I've read so would you be. Not only global warming but the depletion of fish stocks, the fall in the water table, the potential effect of cooling on the Gulf Stream, the pollution of the oceans and the percentage of world natural resources that will be required in the future by major emerging economies like China and India. And don't knock yourself Jamie, the more teenagers who appreciate the problems and offer their voices, their energy and their brains to help the better.
Geo V Posted 9 February 2007 Posted 9 February 2007 Whilst its best not to totally dismiss what the scientists are saying, I dont think there is conclusive evidence that the state of the world is simply manmade. You get knee-jerk reactions from activists telling us that its all my fault for spraying lynx deodarant under my armpit when I should be like them and be natural and smell like a swamp. The climate and the world as we know it is in the mess its in because we now fly on airplanes they tell us too! I`ll do my bit but Im not going to go OTT because we have got quite hot summers over here in recent years and it snows because historically, believe it or not, it has got hot and snowed in England and abroad there has always been electric storms, tsunami`s and tropical weather etc! The agruement is too deep for this forum, especially when I have had a beer
Thracian Posted 9 February 2007 Posted 9 February 2007 Whilst its best not to totally dismiss what the scientists are saying, I dont think there is conclusive evidence that the state of the world is simply manmade. You get knee-jerk reactions from activists telling us that its all my fault for spraying lynx deodarant under my armpit when I should be like them and be natural and smell like a swamp. The climate and the world as we know it is in the mess its in because we now fly on airplanes they tell us too! I`ll do my bit but Im not going to go OTT because we have got quite hot summers over here in recent years and it snows because historically, believe it or not, it has got hot and snowed in England and abroad there has always been electric storms, tsunami`s and tropical weather etc! The agruement is too deep for this forum, especially when I have had a beer You seemed to be doing okay - have another.
FNQ Posted 9 February 2007 Posted 9 February 2007 Denying human induced climate change should be made a criminal offence.
Geo V Posted 9 February 2007 Posted 9 February 2007 You seemed to be doing okay - have another. mate Ive had too many already tonight. I may well just start on John Barnes and Graham Taylor as they on Barnes` Channel 5 show and they are boring me to tears. Get ready Mods
Scarby Posted 9 February 2007 Posted 9 February 2007 Denying human induced climate change should be made a criminal offence. and how do you come to that conclusion?
shen Posted 9 February 2007 Posted 9 February 2007 it is clearly happening! HOWEVER we are coming out of an Ice Age, so we should be warming up! the impact of man on it all is anybodys guess! Um... it IS warming up And the impact of man on CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere is relatively well known. The corrollations between the increased CO2 concentrations and the rapid temperature rises since the late 1800's and the late 1900's in particular are striking. No scientist is doubting that man's impact on our climate is measurable and considerable. However, the medias are blowing the whole climate change issue much out of proportion. In the worst case scenario, the global water table won't rise over 1m over the next 100 years. It is a very real problem though, as you say, and will most probably only become bigger with time.
lookwhaticando Posted 9 February 2007 Posted 9 February 2007 It's happening. Was happening before the industrial revolution... and now it's moving a little quicker. What to do? The key is to help the developing countries develop quicker - and out of the heavy industrialisation period that all other developed countries have passed through in the course of their development. Taxing 60m Britons will have absolutely no effect compared to letting China and India develop or 'mature' the way most countries before them did. They need to skip into the next generation which we should also be moving into ourselves - renewable energy, cleaner energy. What would normally happen in the next 20 years is that the developed countries of Europe and North America would improve technology to be more efficient and clean. Meanwhile, India and China would continue to rely on rough-and-ready dirty fuels such as coal and oil - because they're cheap. That can't happen now if anyone wants to do anything about the human impact on global warming, such that it is. China and India combined would contribute probably half the world's emissions if they continue to rely on cheap, dirty fuels. Easily half. Consequently, if someone wants to do something, then they should help China and India mature and develop much much faster than they naturally would. They need to be given money to invest in clean, renewable fuels. Simple as.
shen Posted 9 February 2007 Posted 9 February 2007 It's happening. Was happening before the industrial revolution... and now it's moving a little quicker. What to do? The key is to help the developing countries develop quicker - and out of the heavy industrialisation period that all other developed countries have passed through in the course of their development. Taxing 60m Britons will have absolutely no effect compared to letting China and India develop or 'mature' the way most countries before them did. They need to skip into the next generation which we should also be moving into ourselves - renewable energy, cleaner energy. What would normally happen in the next 20 years is that the developed countries of Europe and North America would improve technology to be more efficient and clean. Meanwhile, India and China would continue to rely on rough-and-ready dirty fuels such as coal and oil - because they're cheap. That can't happen now if anyone wants to do anything about the human impact on global warming, such that it is. China and India combined would contribute probably half the world's emissions if they continue to rely on cheap, dirty fuels. Easily half. Consequently, if someone wants to do something, then they should help China and India mature and develop much much faster than they naturally would. They need to be given money to invest in clean, renewable fuels. Simple as. While I'd agree that concerning future CO2 emissions China and India have worrying prospects, it's worth noting that it is in many cases TNCs from Europe, the NIEs and (mostly) USA that are the reason for the major industrial growth in the two countries you name. 'Normally' in the next 20 years, things will continue to worsen, because better technology costs money and that would effectively reduce firms' competitiveness. It's all very complex, but my point is that it's very misleading to identify the problem as being a nation-divided economic and technologic issue
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