C-man Posted 14 March 2007 Posted 14 March 2007 they didn't delete it they moved it which was very nice of them as if they had delted it i would have cried. Get a life Ridiculous idea. It'd kill football, team's would just practice penalties all week and the away teams would come for a draw every week.
act smiley Posted 14 March 2007 Posted 14 March 2007 They tried it in America and it was a disaster, why would it do any better here? Baffling idea. Outstandingly stupid.
Leonisco Posted 15 March 2007 Posted 15 March 2007 another thing thast gets me, they say it was a fan survey which made them think of the idea, which idiotic fans would ever want this to hapen? I'll bet it was those bloody Forest fans. Morons.
Phube Posted 15 March 2007 Posted 15 March 2007 I apologise for being blind!!! Anyway, ridiculous idea!!! We're not American... we can understand draws!!!
lildave3 Posted 15 March 2007 Posted 15 March 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6453311.stm
Guest Gist Posted 15 March 2007 Posted 15 March 2007 It's not as bad as I first thought, they want to leave a point for a draw and they play for an extra point on penalties. Personally I don't think it's that bad
davieG Posted 15 March 2007 Posted 15 March 2007 It's not as bad as I first thought, they want to leave a point for a draw and they play for an extra point on penalties. Personally I don't think it's that bad That means we will have teams playing for the potential 2 points for a draw which defeats the whole object of the move to 3 points for a win. It also means that every time there's a drawn game one team is guaranteed an extra point no matter how good they've been or how good their penalties are as long as they score one more than the other team. You now have situation where based on the current table a team like Plymouth in 13th place with P37 W11 D16 L10 P49 + 16 = 65 Could be level with Preston in 4th place with the following record P37 W19 D8 L10 P65 If they happen to win the penalty shoot outs and Preston don't, extreme example but it emphasises the point. Football encompasses a lot of skills but you could end up with team being promoted just on the basis that they are rather good at taking penalties and all for what? Will it make the game more exciting, I doubt it? How can the possibility of a penalty shoot out enhance the actual 90 minutes? Will it make the players pass better, shoot better, score more goals, generate a better atmosphere absolutely not if anything it will provide more ammunition to play for a draw, how can that make it more exciting? Granted the penalty shoot out might be exciting but the preceding 90 minutes are likely to be exceedingly dull. I pay my money to see a 90 minute display of all round football skills, granted they are scarce at LCFC at the moment Imagine a game with ten minutes to go standing at 1-1 do you play for the chance at an extra point without risking the point that you all ready have or do you go for the 3 points and risk all. Based on the current fear in the game and the already negative approach of many teams this will just make them more defensive and more negative. I really don't believe I've heard of a more stupid idea to make football exciting, complete and utter bollocks.
Daggers Posted 15 March 2007 Posted 15 March 2007 I really don't believe I've heard of a more stupid idea to make football exciting, complete and utter bollocks. That's because they haven't asked me... ...and I've got a great idea that blends premium rate phonelines, armed snipers and an octopus.
Brainy Posted 15 March 2007 Posted 15 March 2007 That's because they haven't asked me... ...and I've got a great idea that blends premium rate phonelines, armed snipers and an octopus. Random.
lcfc_jme Posted 15 March 2007 Posted 15 March 2007 Penalty shoot-outs to replace draws? You must be having a laugh! What a bloody ridiculous idea. It shouldn't happen and I can't imagine it will do. Bollocks.
Number 6 Posted 15 March 2007 Posted 15 March 2007 ridiculous idea, would destroy the game. If they want more attacking football offer points for goals, would mean teams ALWAYS have something to play for, even in 90th min if you are 5-0 down
Joe. Posted 15 March 2007 Posted 15 March 2007 This is possibly one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard in football. What a ridiculous idea. Poor teams could end up with more points just because they are good in a "lottery" penalty shootout.
stripeyfox Posted 16 March 2007 Posted 16 March 2007 It will never happen. If it did, how long before some other tosser comes along and says "I know, lets skip the game and just have the penalty shoot out instead!"
Asha Posted 16 March 2007 Posted 16 March 2007 Not only will it ruin the whole football league - it would also completely remove the excitement of penalties at the end of cup ties and replays. Magic that all neutrals want to see will be seen every week and the different possibilities of penalties will be exploited in every possible way.
Population-1 Posted 16 March 2007 Posted 16 March 2007 This is yet another example of the greatest flaw in any form of organisation or society - the need for individuals to leave a lasting mark. After all, who remembers the football league chairman who simply developed peripheral improvements to the game? What these people fail to realise is that the fundamentals of football do not need touching - it is the reason the game has proven the most popular in the UK since the turn of the 20th Century. Yet individuals like Lord Mawhinney feel the need to have to attempt some ludicrous policy in order to provide a lasting legacy of their time as directors. The same applies to management in industry, education, government etc. What these committees should be focusing their energies on would be (to name but a few): - Agent extortion - Cheating in the modern game - The ever increasing gulf in competitiveness in the Premiership - Falling attendances and atmospheres at English grounds - Ownership of football clubs and the instability of the recent influx of private investment The governing bodies of the game are a laughing stock - lets consider the introduction of video technology to aid referees. Fine in principle, but you have to draw the line at goal-line decisions - and thats it. Once you open up the door to requesting replays for penalty incidents, offsides, violent conduct etc you are tempting mayhem. Imagine how the fickle players of today would respond to referees if they knew they could influence them enough to warrant viewing an immediate replay of an incident. We would have a scenario in which the game of football became a juidicary. Players appear to think they can influence the referees decision without the help of technology - never mind with the incentive of it becoming commonplace. You would have managers baying blood because a referee chose not to refer to their 'third eye' with video technology. Most games would go on over 120 minutes I guarantee. Oh, and how will this be implemented at lower league and grassroots levels? Of course - it won't be. Once the game becomes unequal it becomes disillusioning. So, I fully agree - penalties to resolve drawn games is an absolutely ridiculous proposal, we may as well go the whole hog and revert to US style gamesmanship when the 'draw' is a dirty word. I can refer back to many 'points' Leicester have managed to valiantly obtain against all the odds with as much pleasure as our memorable victories. To take this option away would only further drive supporters away.
davieG Posted 16 March 2007 Posted 16 March 2007 This is yet another example of the greatest flaw in any form of organisation or society - the need for individuals to leave a lasting mark. After all, who remembers the football league chairman who simply developed peripheral improvements to the game?What these people fail to realise is that the fundamentals of football do not need touching - it is the reason the game has proven the most popular in the UK since the turn of the 20th Century. Yet individuals like Lord Mawhinney feel the need to have to attempt some ludicrous policy in order to provide a lasting legacy of their time as directors. The same applies to management in industry, education, government etc. What these committees should be focusing their energies on would be (to name but a few): - Agent extortion - Cheating in the modern game - The ever increasing gulf in competitiveness in the Premiership - Falling attendances and atmospheres at English grounds - Ownership of football clubs and the instability of the recent influx of private investment The governing bodies of the game are a laughing stock - lets consider the introduction of video technology to aid referees. Fine in principle, but you have to draw the line at goal-line decisions - and thats it. Once you open up the door to requesting replays for penalty incidents, offsides, violent conduct etc you are tempting mayhem. Imagine how the fickle players of today would respond to referees if they knew they could influence them enough to warrant viewing an immediate replay of an incident. We would have a scenario in which the game of football became a juidicary. Players appear to think they can influence the referees decision without the help of technology - never mind with the incentive of it becoming commonplace. You would have managers baying blood because a referee chose not to refer to their 'third eye' with video technology. Most games would go on over 120 minutes I guarantee. Oh, and how will this be implemented at lower league and grassroots levels? Of course - it won't be. Once the game becomes unequal it becomes disillusioning. So, I fully agree - penalties to resolve drawn games is an absolutely ridiculous proposal, we may as well go the whole hog and revert to US style gamesmanship when the 'draw' is a dirty word. I can refer back to many 'points' Leicester have managed to valiantly obtain against all the odds with as much pleasure as our memorable victories. To take this option away would only further drive supporters away. Excellent well consructed and argued post - love it
vanfox12 Posted 16 March 2007 Posted 16 March 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6452013.stm What do people think of this, I personally feel this would be a disaster for football, I hate shoot outs and think they should be banned in FA cup, now they want them in the league as well? Terrible news and the worst proposal I've ever heard. I agree with you on shootouts in league games but with all the fixture congestion banning penalty shoot outs for cup ties would be a non starter. What do you suggest a toss of the coin like they did in the "good old days".
davieG Posted 17 March 2007 Posted 17 March 2007 I agree with you on shootouts in league games but with all the fixture congestion banning penalty shoot outs for cup ties would be a non starter. What do you suggest a toss of the coin like they did in the "good old days". In the good old days, well my good old days they didn't toss a coin they had replays. This meant on occasion you could have 3 or 4 but then the game wasn't awash with pointless qualifying and silly Euro league games they were straight forward knock out competitions for Champions an Cup Winners.
Geo V Posted 17 March 2007 Posted 17 March 2007 I dont get why we have to keep trying to change the game FFS??! The only reason why so many clubs moan about fixture congestion is because the moaning usually comes from the teams in the Champs League or UEFA Cup who have to play group games. In the "old" days it was home and away until you got knocked out and players would end up playing less football so not as much congestion occured. The big clubs cant have it all there own way. Extra revenue for all these games in Europe is accepted but stop moaning if you get a fixture list pile-up. As for Peno`s settling league games. WHY???????/!! The leagues are exciting enough with the play-offs without having to settle a game with fookin penos!
vanfox12 Posted 17 March 2007 Posted 17 March 2007 In the good old days, well my good old days they didn't toss a coin they had replays. This meant on occasion you could have 3 or 4 but then the game wasn't awash with pointless qualifying and silly Euro league games they were straight forward knock out competitions for Champions an Cup Winners. Yes but in the early days they did and besides i was being flippant about it. Trouble is the big clubs are more interested in making money than doing whats good for the game.
Sly Posted 18 March 2007 Posted 18 March 2007 They used to do this in the American MLS. .....but it got scrapped. Nuff said!
Simi Posted 18 March 2007 Posted 18 March 2007 Will never happen. End of. Leave the fooking game alone for crying out loud. If you want improve things spend more money developing football skills. What a load of shit. Why do they think they need to chage it like this. It'll never happen anyway. Enough said.
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