weggy1976 Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 I hear Kenton can play left back Kenton s struggling to play CB or RB. Has he ever had a good game? Newton looks awful and IMO is only with us on the back of a good half hour against the Brum last season. Lets just hope he doesn't look at Maybury.........that will be a disaster!
Stevosevic Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 Phew!I reckon we're a bit stuffed to replace him. Rik's right - we'll use what we have. What concerns me is that the promised 2,3 or 4 new signings simply haven't arrived and our games so far have exposed that although we have a reasonable first team our squad is paper-thin is real quality. One or two more injuries to this squad will cramp the season up to Xmas, we have no depth. Wherever anyone reckons our priorities lie, the truth is that we have failed to attract any talent since Milan's last public statement (or Milan is not prepared to pay a perceived over the odds demand in transfer /contract) To be fair i think Clarke and Fulop were two of the new signings.
davieG Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 Phew!I reckon we're a bit stuffed to replace him. Rik's right - we'll use what we have. What concerns me is that the promised 2,3 or 4 new signings simply haven't arrived and our games so far have exposed that although we have a reasonable first team our squad is paper-thin is real quality. One or two more injuries to this squad will cramp the season up to Xmas, we have no depth. Wherever anyone reckons our priorities lie, the truth is that we have failed to attract any talent since Milan's last public statement (or Milan is not prepared to pay a perceived over the odds demand in transfer /contract) Agree fully about the depth of the squad people complain about Allen retaining MDV from a shit team I think the same applies to Kenton and Newton, who unbelievably was given a new contract. As well as Kisa, McAuley and N'Gotty have played he really needs to decide who his first choice centre backs are and play Chambers at right back this will have the bonus of us having cover at CB. Kaebi could have got some match fitness last night, was he even on the bench? It's amazing how you can go from admiring a manager at one game and wondering what the hell he is thinking of the next, changing the team as much as he did shows to me he was under estimating the fight that Forest would come to the game with and how much it would impact on our performance. It seems fairly clear, ok based on 45 minutes that there is not a great deal of difference between a team that was nearly promoted and our team. In fact Blackpool showed that as well. I'm sure the Mirror et al would say the lack of permanent signings is a sign that MM isn't backing Allen any more!
Lillehamring Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 I think that, after sheehans confidence boosting performance against watford, he & allen may be more comfortable with Sheehan as a left back, with maybe porter playing left wing. Given that left backs are hard to find at the best of times an immediate new signing/loanee may not be forthcoming. am i right in thinking that loan deals can be done outside the T/F window... Anyway, i hope he goes for sheehan/porter, after all the team, league-wise anyway, does seem a bit more confidant than the last time sheehan played at the back.
Sir Fynwy Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 I think that, after sheehans confidence boosting performance against watford, he & allen may be more comfortable with Sheehan as a left back, with maybe porter playing left wing.Given that left backs are hard to find at the best of times an immediate new signing/loanee may not be forthcoming. am i right in thinking that loan deals can be done outside the T/F window... Anyway, i hope he goes for sheehan/porter, after all the team, league-wise anyway, does seem a bit more confidant than the last time sheehan played at the back. I wouldn't agree with that, Sheehan has a significantly improved performance playing left midfield so we immediately throw him back in at left back where he's been shown to struggle. His tackling isn't upto playing LB in the league yet. We need to explore other opportunities (there must be another LB at a premiership club looking for a loan?)
Lillehamring Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 Kaebi could have got some match fitness last night, was he even on the bench?It's amazing how you can go from admiring a manager at one game and wondering what the hell he is thinking of the next, changing the team as much as he did shows to me he was under estimating the fight that Forest would come to the game with and how much it would impact on our performance. It seems fairly clear, ok based on 45 minutes that there is not a great deal of difference between a team that was nearly promoted and our team. In fact Blackpool showed that as well. kaebi wasn't on the bench despite the changes, he actually fielded one of the most mature side so far this season, one would have hoped that there was enough experience in the starting 11 last night to have put up more of a fight... i think until we see the squad and subsequent perforance this weekend it is still (and probably will still be) too early to tell. It isn't impossible to believe that MM has told MA not to pay too much attention to this cup, as it is not part of the money-spinning promotion masterplan. The very thinness of our squad would support putting out a side that, by rights, should have been able to compete with forest... i don't think it was the volume of the changes so much as the choice - ie bringing in kenton and henderson - effectively breaking that 'spine' anyway, back to the left back thing....
Lord Nibblington Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 i don't think it was the volume of the changes so much as the choice - ie bringing in kenton and henderson - effectively breaking that 'spine' Up until 2 weeks ago Henderson was in line to be the number one for the season. I don't think it's that strange that he was brought in for a cup match against a team for a lower division.
Lillehamring Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 I wouldn't agree with that, Sheehan has a significantly improved performance playing left midfield so we immediately throw him back in at left back where he's been shown to struggle. His tackling isn't upto playing LB in the league yet. We need to explore other opportunities (there must be another LB at a premiership club looking for a loan?) maybe, but by position he is a left back, just cause he had a bad game or two there doesn't mean he is absolutely a bad left back, more likely that he was just nervous, his succes up the field against watford COULD be the catalyst for a realisation of his potential in his prefered position. only one way to find out, and, yes, he could well be, ahem, found out...
Tomassi Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 Martin Allen is probably at hospital at the moment! As for people saying he is losing the plot, get real, he is giving other players the chance, plus we still had the backbone through the team that played on saturday. Is playing players like Henderson, Chambers, Porter etc not taking Forest seriously? what planet you on?
Manwell Pablo Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 maybe, but by position he is a left back, just cause he had a bad game or two there doesn't mean he is absolutely a bad left back, more likely that he was just nervous, his succes up the field against watford COULD be the catalyst for a realisation of his potential in his prefered position.only one way to find out, and, yes, he could well be, ahem, found out... But he is really bad a left back. Really bad.
Lord Nibblington Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 maybe, but by position he is a left back, just cause he had a bad game or two there doesn't mean he is absolutely a bad left back, more likely that he was just nervous, his succes up the field against watford COULD be the catalyst for a realisation of his potential in his prefered position.only one way to find out, and, yes, he could well be, ahem, found out... The problem is Sheehan's had one good game at left midfield. Do we drop him back to his natural position of left back, where he could play badly, shattering his confidence, and the fans get on his back? Or do we play him at left midfield, where by all accounts he was starting to grow in stature, but equally, next time he plays be as effective as he was against Palace. And the fans get on his back. I think we'll need to look to bring in another LB, really.
Lillehamring Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 But he is really bad a left back. Really bad. he maybe all we have, and he may impprove - i don't think he's played enough at this level to categorically write him off, though. And if the rest off the team play as they did against watford, he should spend most of the game pushing up and attacking.
Sir Fynwy Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 he maybe all we have, and he may impprove - i don't think he's played enough at this level to categorically write him off, though.And if the rest off the team play as they did against watford, he should spend most of the game pushing up and attacking. I don't think anyone is totally writing him off, they are saying that he's playing well on the left side of midfield so leave him there, porter was totally useless last night so isn't challenging Sheehan for the place. Clarke showed that a stready eddy at left back who can defend is most likely to allow the left side to work.
Lillehamring Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 I don't think anyone is totally writing him off, they are saying that he's playing well on the left side of midfield so leave him there, porter was totally useless last night so isn't challenging Sheehan for the place. Clarke showed that a stready eddy at left back who can defend is most likely to allow the left side to work. i can see that, yes... the only problem is, barring a new signing in the next few days, if sheehan plays in midfield that would leave mattock or worse at left back... so, MA may just have to go with sheehan at left back, i'm just trying to believe that if he does, given his confidence boost last weekend, he may show up alright... and as far as a new signing/loanee, the chances of getting some one good AND match fit are remote, and also they wouldn't be used to our system/players.
Flynny Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 I'd like to see Mattock given a chance again. He's had 10 bad minutes out of about 400, let's see what he can do.
Simi Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 If this all spins round to Chambers playing left back again I shall be absolutely gutted. We have two days to sort this out now, obviously what has gone on with Clarke is very sad but I doubt the football league are going to give us some compassionate leave.
Manwell Pablo Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 Trouble is very easy to avoid at football matches, if you don't go looking for it you wont get it.
Simi Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 Trouble is very easy to avoid at football matches, if you don't go looking for it you wont get it. Yes but Manwell, how is this going to solve the left back problem ?!?!?!
Fez of Mahrez Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 Trouble is very easy to avoid at football matches, if you don't go looking for it you wont get it. Are you talking about Alan Sheehan's defensive positioning?
Flynny Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 If this all spins round to Chambers playing left back again I shall be absolutely gutted.We have two days to sort this out now, obviously what has gone on with Clarke is very sad but I doubt the football league are going to give us some compassionate leave. Oh god I hadn't considered that. Though he wasn't great yesterday, apart from his block that saved a goal.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 I've said this before in another thread but Paul Huntington or David Edgar from Newcastle would make ideal loanees that could be easily bought in before the deadline on Friday. P.S - On wikipedia it says that they are both CBs but both played at full back during Newcastle's injury crisis last year.
Flynny Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 I've said this before in another thread but Paul Huntington or David Edgar from Newcastle would make ideal loanees that could be easily bought in before the deadline on Friday.P.S - On wikipedia it says that they are both CBs but both played at full back during Newcastle's injury crisis last year. I'd quite like David Edgar, but not as a left-back.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 Kisha could do a job a left back he was full back in his early Charlton days.
AyewJoking Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 Chambers for left back! It just wouldnt be Leicester City if there wasnt at least one man playing out of position.
Thracian Posted 29 August 2007 Posted 29 August 2007 For some time I've suggested the best formation for City's current crop of players is 4-3-3. That seemed to be demonstrated against Watford and why we would change simply because we're away is for the manager to explain cos I can't. And in relation to our wingers 4-3-3 serves us much better because, with Hayes injured, we don't have any. And if that's the case why pretend we do? Sheehan or someone like him was badly missed last night because Forest were strong in midfield and we were so rushed we ended up playing too many long aimless balls and, sad to say, Clarke gave most of them, because there was not an easy option in central left midfield. We need to do what we did against Watford and pass the ball through the team. Two midfielders isn't enough - but with three we're fine. Two strikers isn't enough we need three. All that system requires is full-backs who are comfortable going forward. Ka'ebi and Chambers would seem excellent. Whether Mattock/Beswick with Sheehan in the left-half role can be the same is debateable. Eithe4r way we'll need another left-back. But our team isn't good enough to be constantly chopped and changed. It needs to develop a smoothness and understanding that comes with time.
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