WHEN WILL CITY PLAY THE PRINCE OF PERSIA?

[Trumpet]

Fryatt played in reserve games, looked good, won his first team place back.

Stearman played in reserve games, looked good, ditto.

Newton played in the reserves, scored two goals, back in first team squad.

Porter's played reserve games, one ordinary, one better, still waiting to win his place back.

Cort played reserve games, did okay, back into first team squad.

Etc, etc, etc.

If Kaebi was ready for our first team he'd play reserves football comfortably.

He's not done that.

And the only player out of those to make an impact on the first team would be Fryatt, possibly Stearman.

I still think its the language which is holding him back.

[Thracian]

And the only player out of those to make an impact on the first team would be Fryatt, possibly Stearman.

I still think its the language which is holding him back.

I don't doubt that it's a factor and all the more reason for people to be patient, including the player himself, and give himself proper time to acclimatise and do himself justice.

[Bert]

Language barrier. End of. Hows he gonna understand team talks etc without his interpreter, it's just gonna waste important time.

[Daz.I]

Really Feel for the guy when you read this , Saturday would be the perfect stage for kaebi to show what he's got and I'm sure he would. Megson at least owes him one chance he's too good to be sat on the bench. he's a 50 capped international ffs.

[Geo V]

He isn't performing - so you've answered your own question.

Are you seriously suggesting that if he's exposed dramatically by reserve team wingers that he won't have a prblem in the Championship.

As for the idea of protecting him from having to play alongside different team-mates that's yet another reason he should be given more time - to get him used to playing in different situations and with different players around him.

I've never known so many lame and illogical reasons for someone manipulating a first team place for someone.

And if you're saying playing in the reserves has harmed Kaebi's confidence then that's another reason he's not ready for the first team.

People have long had to fight to get into a first team and Kaebi is no different. When he's ready - if ever - then his performances will show it.

Just like some average Prem players look suited to International football, lets take Gareth Barry an example, Im sure there are players who have unique circumstances like Kaebi who may well look better in first team football than the reserves. Kaebi is used to playing in front of huge crowds and it must be soul destroying to play with weaker players in the reserves in front of a few supporters.

British players may be used to the conditions and working their way up through the system but to ask Kaebi to do that IMO is a little almost disrespectful. As I have said countless times before, you wouldnt see clubs like WBA put Teixeira in the reserves from the get-go for anything other than match fitness and the likes of Plymouth wouldn't bring players like Halmosi to the club to rot in the reserves.

One thing that doesn't get mentioned too often is that Kaebi isn't a GM signing and may not be his type of player and it could be as simple as that.

[Fez of Mahrez]

To be honest I think the key point everyone is missing is that Martin Allen knew he was for the chop before that Watford game and it was a fairly easy and populist decision to play Kaebi to make himself look good in light of possible rumours that might have surfaced about why he was subsequently out the door.

It may still be the right decision not to play him in the first team for whatever reason regardless of the fact he played in that game.

[Mark]

Does anyone remember him passing/throwing the ball to Mark De Vries for him to score vs Watford? According to Football league stats he did, not a bad record - 15 minutes played, 1 assist

[Thracian]

Just like some average Prem players look suited to International football, lets take Gareth Barry an example, Im sure there are players who have unique circumstances like Kaebi who may well look better in first team football than the reserves. Kaebi is used to playing in front of huge crowds and it must be soul destroying to play with weaker players in the reserves in front of a few supporters.

British players may be used to the conditions and working their way up through the system but to ask Kaebi to do that IMO is a little almost disrespectful. As I have said countless times before, you wouldnt see clubs like WBA put Teixeira in the reserves from the get-go for anything other than match fitness and the likes of Plymouth wouldn't bring players like Halmosi to the club to rot in the reserves.

One thing that doesn't get mentioned too often is that Kaebi isn't a GM signing and may not be his type of player and it could be as simple as that.

Well, a Megson type player or not, Megson took the trouble to watch him in at least two matches that I know of. I don't think he would close his mind to anyonehe thought would add something to the squad.

[Geo V]

Well, a Megson type player or not, Megson took the trouble to watch him in at least two matches that I know of. I don't think he would close his mind to anyonehe thought would add something to the squad.

Managers do actually do that though don't they? When someone new comes in there are always scapegoats. Whether or not they are actually intentional and under-handed decisions is one thing but GM has not played the two biggest signings in DJ Campbell and Kaebi. We are actively seeking a striker and I am not convinced that DJ has actually being given a proper chance for starters. DJ under GM......

Against Forest - Started, subbed after 62 mins

Against Charlton - Started on bench, came on after 62 mins

Against Villa - Started on bench, came on after 61 mins

Against Stoke - Started, subbed after 45 mins (Cort and MDV started and played out of position)

Against Wolves - Started on bench, came on after 83 mins

Against Sheff Weds - Started on bench, came on after 61 mins

If I were him I`d be fearing for my future at the club, just like Kaebi! I think poor old Milan will end up losing a few quid on the DJ deal!

[Fez of Mahrez]

Does anyone remember him passing/throwing the ball to Mark De Vries for him to score vs Watford? According to Football league stats he did, not a bad record - 15 minutes played, 1 assist

That's an average of 6 assists a game.

Eat your heart out, Alan Sheehan.

[Thracian]

That's an average of 6 assists a game.

Eat your heart out, Alan Sheehan.

If only.

[Milky]

I don't really want to burst anyone's bubble here, and it pains me somewhat to say this, but i have to say i agree with some of what Thracian has said about Kaebi. I've seen the lad play a few times for the reserves, and he just doesn't exactly fill me with complete confidence in a defensive capacity.

I'll start with the good news before the bad. I've enjoyed his performances on the whole for a few reasons. He has that well documented pace, which i wish he'd use a bit more by the way cus he seems a bit reluctant to really stretch his legs down the flank. He has a really nice touch, likes to keep close control of the ball, and is a fan of the odd bit of skill, with variations of the Cruyff turn and little flicks inside being his weapons of choice.

He also more often than not finds his man with a pass, and seems to like to keep things simple. Unfortunately he doesn't really seem to let rip in a youtube clip stylie and rampage down the flank, but perhaps he doesn't feel he has the license to do that at the moment. The good thing is, if he wanted to do that, i've seen enough in his locker to pull it off. You can't question the lads natural footballing ability, because he does have that touch of class about him.

Now the bad news, and what must surely be the reason why we haven't seem him in action for the first team. Defensively he seems a bit dodgey. Whenever a man comes to take him on, he does this strange thing where he squares up, and in a tentative fashion, just sticks one foot in almost as a token gesture and the attacker easily takes it past him. I thought he'd be a tough tackler, but he seems very tentative in such a situation. At times when he squares himself up like that it almost looks like he's never been taught how to defend!

Also, the offside trap seems a problem. He often finds himself behind the back line and playing people onside. Positioning has been a problem for him, because added to that, whenever he does venture up the pitch slightly, he doesn't exactly get back in a hurry, and the right side can often become very exposed. I've mention the tentative tackling, but he also opts for the other extreme on occasions and recklessly dives in.

Let's just say tackling isn't his strong point, which is a worry if we're going to play him in a defensive position. From what i've seen, right midfield would be my chosen position, but with the curent formation this is out of the question. I have to ask therefore whether i'd play him at wing back. If it was a defensive wing back role, i'd tell the three centre backs to get ready to cover! He needs a license to play at bit further upfield, because as i've said before, he prefers to attack, and defends because he has to!

Sorry that's a bit long, and to be fair you probably can't be arsed to read it and i don't blame you, but that's just my honest opinion of the player purely from the few reserve games i've seen. I still really like Kaebi, in fact he's one of my favourite players mainly because he has that touch of class about him, and has made watching the reserve games more enjoyable.

I just wanted to add a little note of caution though, as I'm worried people are hyped up and expecting some world beater. The good thing is that defensive stuff can be worked on in training, and if that aspect of his game improves to go alongside his ability, i'm still confident he can be an asset for this club.

[Milky]

What do you mean he looked okay against Watford. He was only on the pitch for 11 minutes .

1 minute more than the 10 minutes of "havoc" Hammond caused against West Brom reserves you mean?

[Thracian]

I don't really want to burst anyone's bubble here, and it pains me somewhat to say this, but i have to say i agree with some of what Thracian has said about Kaebi. I've seen the lad play a few times for the reserves, and he just doesn't exactly fill me with complete confidence in a defensive capacity.

I'll start with the good news before the bad. I've enjoyed his performances on the whole for a few reasons. He has that well documented pace, which i wish he'd use a bit more by the way cus he seems a bit reluctant to really stretch his legs down the flank. He has a really nice touch, likes to keep close control of the ball, and is a fan of the odd bit of skill, with variations of the Cruyff turn and little flicks inside being his weapons of choice.

He also more often than not finds his man with a pass, and seems to like to keep things simple. Unfortunately he doesn't really seem to let rip in a youtube clip stylie and rampage down the flank, but perhaps he doesn't feel he has the license to do that at the moment. The good thing is, if he wanted to do that, i've seen enough in his locker to pull it off. You can't question the lads natural footballing ability, because he does have that touch of class about him.

Now the bad news, and what must surely be the reason why we haven't seem him in action for the first team. Defensively he seems a bit dodgey. Whenever a man comes to take him on, he does this strange thing where he squares up, and in a tentative fashion, just sticks one foot in almost as a token gesture and the attacker easily takes it past him. I thought he'd be a tough tackler, but he seems very tentative in such a situation. At times when he squares himself up like that it almost looks like he's never been taught how to defend!

Also, the offside trap seems a problem. He often finds himself behind the back line and playing people onside. Positioning has been a problem for him, because added to that, whenever he does venture up the pitch slightly, he doesn't exactly get back in a hurry, and the right side can often become very exposed. I've mention the tentative tackling, but he also opts for the other extreme on occasions and recklessly dives in.

Let's just say tackling isn't his strong point, which is a worry if we're going to play him in a defensive position. From what i've seen, right midfield would be my chosen position, but with the curent formation this is out of the question. I have to ask therefore whether i'd play him at wing back. If it was a defensive wing back role, i'd tell the three centre backs to get ready to cover! He needs a license to play at bit further upfield, because as i've said before, he prefers to attack, and defends because he has to!

Sorry that's a bit long, and to be fair you probably can't be arsed to read it and i don't blame you, but that's just my honest opinion of the player purely from the few reserve games i've seen. I still really like Kaebi, in fact he's one of my favourite players mainly because he has that touch of class about him, and has made watching the reserve games more enjoyable.

I just wanted to add a little note of caution though, as I'm worried people are hyped up and expecting some world beater. The good thing is that defensive stuff can be worked on in training, and if that aspect of his game improves to go alongside his ability, i'm still confident he can be an asset for this club.

That seems a fair summary to me.

I'm just a bit less optimistic about your conclusion.

For various reasons.

[Milky]

That seems a fair summary to me.

I'm just a bit less optimistic about your conclusion.

For various reasons.

Perhaps i just put that as insurance so i don't look like a complete twat when he tears up the championship!

To be fair i didn't see the game where you say he had a shocker, which would perhaps explain our difference in optimism.

[Thracian]

Perhaps i just put that as insurance so i don't look like a complete twat when he tears up the championship!

To be fair i didn't see the game where you say he had a shocker, which would perhaps explain our difference in optimism.

Basically that game perfectly dramatised what you explained about his tackling.

With most defenders, even when they're have a rough time of it against a better opponent, they manage to have some nuisance value.

With Kaebi the West Brom winger just went straight by him and left him 10 yards behind in his slipstream. It cost us and it didn't just happen once.

As you say, it can be worked on. But it will take time.

And even if his technique improves dramatically he'll need to develop the toughness needed for English football.

It's a big ask but good luck to him.

[The_Persian]

"-Kaebi's new position to avoid transfer from Leicester City

To avoid selling newly signed Hossein Kaebi from Leicester City, Leicester coach intends to use Kaebi in a different position on the pitch. Hossein Kaebi, who was signed by Leicester City on July 5th, spent most of his time on bench after Martin Allen's dismissal from the club soon after Kaebi's arrival at the club. Leicester's new coach, is currently using an English player in position of Kaebi, who in fact has showed great fitness, and that had lead to Kaebi's bench warming.

With Kaebi's time on bench, there were rumours of being transferred to another English team, but Milan Mandaric, Leicester City's Managing Director, expressed his support for Kaebi and indicated they have no intention of selling Kaebi. Therefore, after Leicester's win over Coventry last week, Leicester's coach,Gary Megson, used Kaebi in a new position in team trainings, further up in the right wing and the same position he was playing in Perspolis.

After meeting with Club Managing Director, Gary Megson, announced that if Kaebi can show his strength in this new position, he will play him in future games for Leicester City.

"

Source: www.iransportspress.com

[Tevez]

"-Kaebi's new position to avoid transfer from Leicester City

To avoid selling newly signed Hossein Kaebi from Leicester City, Leicester coach intends to use Kaebi in a different position on the pitch. Hossein Kaebi, who was signed by Leicester City on July 5th, spent most of his time on bench after Martin Allen's dismissal from the club soon after Kaebi's arrival at the club. Leicester's new coach, is currently using an English player in position of Kaebi, who in fact has showed great fitness, and that had lead to Kaebi's bench warming.

With Kaebi's time on bench, there were rumours of being transferred to another English team, but Milan Mandaric, Leicester City's Managing Director, expressed his support for Kaebi and indicated they have no intention of selling Kaebi. Therefore, after Leicester's win over Coventry last week, Leicester's coach,Gary Megson, used Kaebi in a new position in team trainings, further up in the right wing and the same position he was playing in Perspolis.

After meeting with Club Managing Director, Gary Megson, announced that if Kaebi can show his strength in this new position, he will play him in future games for Leicester City.

"

Source: www.iransportspress.com

Have i missed something?

[The_Persian]

Have i missed something?

I´m also a bit confused but I think they mean a new position in the reserves/traning.

[Manwell Pablo]

If I thought that was true I'd acknowledge it. But I think Kaebi has been giving his all. He has busied himself all along the right flank and has realloy tried to fit in with his team-mates.

On the one occasion he got it about right. Little give and goes, clever footwork, always the footballer in defence and never less than willing to tackle.

He just looks so vulnerable too often.

It is considered a cardinal sin to tackle on your backside in English football because a mistake leaves you out of the game. But Kaebi loves to slide tackle and, unfortunately, he sometimes misses, leaving his team-mates exposed or he gives away a silly free kick.

His positional sense is too often questionable and he seems espcecially weak when being run at. Add in his lack of inches at the far post defensively and, to my mind, without much improvement, you've got a recipe for potential disaster.

In my view he'll need several weeks schooling in the ways of English football before it is fair to expose him to Championship football. For his sake as well as ours.

I know that several FoxesTalk members have watched Kaebi in the reserves and, in some ways, I wish they'd come own and refute what I'm saying. Explain that I'm exaggerating. Worrying about nothing.

But it all seems unnaturally quiet. Not least because I imagine some of those people, like me, hoped and expected Kaebi would be in the first team and they don't really want to say anything against that.

As I read it they'd rather say nothing for now and wait for a better chance to press his claims for promotion.

One good game and the calls will be renewed in strength. But it won't suddenly make Kaebi the player we've all hoped for. Cos we're talking some fundamentals here that won't be learned overnight.

As I say, he needs proper time to acclimatise, proper time to learn about English football and time to build his confidence among new colleagues.

Sounds more like a reciepe for Alan Sheehan to me.

[Manwell Pablo]

I´m also a bit confused but I think they mean a new position in the reserves/traning.

Basically from what I can make of it, Megsons going to play him in a attacking central role like he was playing at Perspolis. One day, could be awhile though.

Smart thing to do I say I've said several times play him there. We have a right back and a the very basic Andy King there at the moment, fair enough neither are doing anything wrong but neither is standing out.

If it's true it will give us good competition for places, what we should have in a squad this size!

[Thracian]

Sounds more like a reciepe for Alan Sheehan to me.

If you've seen the 6 ft plus Sheehan getting beaten in the air on the far post this season it must have been in the games I missed. As for being run at - you'd better watch Kaebi first.

[Manwell Pablo]

If you've seen the 6 ft plus Sheehan getting beaten in the air on the far post this season it must have been in the games I missed. As for being run at - you'd better watch Kaebi first.

I have, I've seen him have a very good game against Cristano Ronaldo and Luis Figo.

But Luis is probabley just past his best, and I think Ronaldos a tad over rated .

[Strokes]

I sound like a scratched record on the subject but to me its simple.

You sign an International player with 50 caps, you play him. You only drop him if he isn't performing and don't play all sorts of players at right-mid and right-back ahead of him.

If people are suggesting that a club like ours who almost got relegated last season and the season before all of a sudden buys International class players with so called quality and sling them in the reserves to harm there confidence and make them have to prove themselves in front of one man and his dog, then the game has gone mad.

Behave, we're all eager to see the bloke but we're only going to end up disappointed if he is rushed. Let the people who have seen him play judge when he is ready, it could harm his confidence much more to come into the team and be blamed for defeat or a goal and then dropped. There are plenty of factors as to why this decision may have been made, he is in a completley new country/culture with absoloutly no ability to understand or speak the language, he is young at 22 and has bought a family with him for what is a massive change .

[Manwell Pablo]

If you've seen the 6 ft plus Sheehan getting beaten in the air on the far post this season it must have been in the games I missed. As for being run at - you'd better watch Kaebi first.

No I've not seen this one beaten in the air in fact I didn't even know we had a 6ft + Alan Sheehan. If we do, we should get that one in the team, he can't be much worse than the 5'11 one we're playing at the minute.

Proof in any were needed that you exaggerate everything to do with the lad.