teblin Posted 12 November 2007 Posted 12 November 2007 He doesn't pass well enough for a wing back. But he seems far more omfortable at centre-back where people aren't running at him so much and he can get away with short simple passes. I've seen him do it. Question is whether he'd do it well enough in the Championship. But, for me, good as they are in the air, our present centre-backs are collectively too slow and give the ball away too easily when they've won it.My best team when fit, not counting the long term injured Porter or the potentially long term absentee Gradel: Fulop; Chambers, N'Gotty, Kisnorbo, Sheehan; King, Wesolowski, Clemence, Hayes, Hammond/Hume, John. Subs: Stearman, A.Chambers, Fryatt, Campbell, Cort. This gives us what I believe are genuine wing-backs, a passing focul point in King who can move forward or back according need, gives us some much-needed pace in the team and on the bench with Hammond/Hume/Ashley/James Chambers and a genuine left-sided midfielder. We have 6.5 potential scorers and would be reasonably hardworking and reasonably quick when we've lost the ball. He is crap end of,he can run fast then so can darren campbell you wouldn't play him up front would you?
goal-mangal Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 Logan or Fülöp.. Fülöp good, Logan "local lad".
Thracian Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 FulopSheehan Kisnorbo McAuley J.Chambers Porter Clemence Wesolowski Hume John Campbell Having said that, I haven't seen all of the players in our squad play so I don't know if they'd be better or not. I think if we played with these players we could change to 4-3-3 when attacking plus Chambers and Sheehan could push on and support attacks. Not the greatest fan of Porter but I think Clemence and Wesolowski lack a killer ball and I Porter can produce one. Wesolowski knocks it backwards too often and Clemence sprays some nice passes sideways but I haven't seen many defence splitting passes from him either. That's why I'd probably use King instead of Clemence on balance. And because King can score with his head and hit feet. Clemence and Weso are both good but so similar it is hard to justify having them together in the same side. Keepping our balance right is quite difficult because it means leaving some of our best players out. With Porter being out for the season I'd have to go with Hayes instead. He's still short of real match fitness but he's also very positive and hard-working. Hume on the right, Hayes on the left is about as good as we could manage right now. However, if Gradel were back ... I'm sure he'd be our best choice wide right.
Pete_foxes Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 Believe me if Kaebi and Ferrera were the answers - when they're not injured - they'd have been used by now. They are not. The best wide right players at our club are Max Gradel and Ashley Chambers. If I played 5-3-2 I'd have Stearman in central defence for his speed and mobility. Chambers would revert to his proper position at right back. Wesolowski, King and Clemence/Porter would form the midfield. Hume and Cort would be up front. However, with this squad I'd really prefer 4-3-3 because we need more help up front. Something like: Fulop; Chambers, Stearman, Kisnorbo, Sheehan; Wesolowski, King, Clemence/Porter Hammond/Gradel/A.Chambers, Cort/John, Hume/Cambell amen to that. Saw gradel play for bournmouth before he went back to france to because I think it was his mother who died. Anyway the commentator called him maxi grad-ell and I thought who is this guy we'd better snap him up. But then I realised he played for us
Simi Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 Fulop N Gotty McAuley Kisnorbo Chambers Sheehan Weso King Clemence DJ/John Hume No doubt about that for me, I feel that's our best side.
Sods Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 FulopN Gotty McAuley Kisnorbo Chambers Sheehan Weso King Clemence DJ/John Hume No doubt about that for me, I feel that's our best side. Yeah i would go along with that as well. Thats not a bad side either to be honest, although i might drop both DJ and John for Fryatt.
wayneb1966 Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 with players wev'e got i'd go fulop kenton n'gotty kisnorbo chambers keabi clemence porter hume fryatt campbell subs mcauley weso john mattock all experienced defenders in defence, pace out wide, hard work quality shooting/passing in the middle, control pace and finishers up front,and best keeper weve had for some time between the sticks job done
Simon Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 He doesn't pass well enough for a wing back. But he seems far more omfortable at centre-back where people aren't running at him so much and he can get away with short simple passes. I've seen him do it. Question is whether he'd do it well enough in the Championship. But, for me, good as they are in the air, our present centre-backs are collectively too slow and give the ball away too easily when they've won it.My best team when fit, not counting the long term injured Porter or the potentially long term absentee Gradel: Fulop; Chambers, N'Gotty, Kisnorbo, Sheehan; King, Wesolowski, Clemence, Hayes, Hammond/Hume, John. Subs: Stearman, A.Chambers, Fryatt, Campbell, Cort. This gives us what I believe are genuine wing-backs, a passing focul point in King who can move forward or back according need, gives us some much-needed pace in the team and on the bench with Hammond/Hume/Ashley/James Chambers and a genuine left-sided midfielder. We have 6.5 potential scorers and would be reasonably hardworking and reasonably quick when we've lost the ball. Do you just do it to invite criticism?
FrankieWorthoYaggedMyWife Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 Fulop Chambers N'Gotty/McAuley Kisnorbo Sheehan Clemence Wesolowski Hume Fryatt Campbell John Subs Henderson N'Gotty/McAuley Cort King Some other useless ****! Just for sh*ts and giggles anyhow!!
Milans Foxes Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 After watching the reserves last night, i'd like us to mix it up a bit and get rid of the players who are not pulling their weight. Havn't seen Gradel play but would like to see him play on his return. Those goals he scored against Crewe earlier in the season were awesome and to get a standing ovation from both sets of fans, he must be pretty special. Just hope he is mentally and physically right after spending so much time away from football in France. Fulop Sheehan N'Gotty Mcauley Chambers Kaebi Clemence Hayes Gradel John Campbell Subs: Henderson Kisnorbo Hume Sappleton Wesolowski In my opinion, a far more creative midfield than the likes of Kenton/Chambers/Stearman and we can hopefully create loads of chances as we now have strikers with the quality to finish.
Thracian Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 Do you just do it to invite criticism? I'm not expecting converts. A few conversions maybe if his shooting's not improved! I'm just a big fan of strength and speed and we have so little. Can't believe we did sod all about it in the summer.
danny. Posted 14 November 2007 Posted 14 November 2007 shooting is pretty important for a striker though...
Thracian Posted 14 November 2007 Posted 14 November 2007 shooting is pretty important for a striker though... It does indeed, which would actually strengthen Hammond's case at Leicester City, even though I have never seen him as an out and out striker. Hammond scored 5 goals in 17 starts last season - virtually a goal in three. This season, with a theoretically better team, Cort hasn't scored at all yet, Fryatt has scored two in 12 and Hume two in 11. er.
danny. Posted 14 November 2007 Posted 14 November 2007 how many games of those have hume or fryatt been playing as a striker though? Fryatt is pretty bad at shooting but has recently been playing in midfield, and hume has been playing wing or midfield for most of the season no?
mancunianfox Posted 14 November 2007 Posted 14 November 2007 I posted this team yesterday but I'll post it again here. Fulop Chambers N'Gotty Kisnorbo Sheehan Newton Wesolowski Clemence Hayes Campbell John Subs: Henderson, McAuley, Kenton, Hume/Fryatt, Cort Not a big fan of Shaun Newton's but he is the only RM in the squad and I think we need to start getting the ball out wide. Hayes' reserve performances indicate that he deserves a chance and I wouldn't mind seeing what Gradel can do as he has done well enough on loan to earn a place in the squad.
Dames Posted 14 November 2007 Posted 14 November 2007 Fulop Chambers N'Gotty Kisnorno Mattock Hume Clemence Wesolowski Hayes John Fryatt Hard to leave out DJ but Fryatt gets into more positions when playing off another striker which is more important because what does pace do when your clear in the 12 yard box? I'd be bringing on DJ in the last 1/3 of games when people begin to tire and make more mistakes that he could capitalise on.
act smiley Posted 14 November 2007 Posted 14 November 2007 Not a big fan of Shaun Newton's but he is the only RM in the squad and I think we need to start getting the ball out wide. I agree we need width, but Newton is so piss poor we'd be better with others out of position. Fulop Chambers N'Gotty Kisnorbo Sheehan Hume Wesolowski Clemence Hayes Fryatt John Henderson, McAuley, King, Campbell, DeVries/winger(Kaebi/Gradel/Ferreira?). Gives a good range of options on the bench, John gives Fryatt someone to play off - DJ/John strikes me as an either-or decision. Hayes seemed okay the one time I saw him, plus gives us a desperately needed natural winger, while Hume would adapt the easiest to playing wide right, I think, and without the option of Gradel at the minute its my preferred option with Kaebi on the bench to provide an option there, or possibly DeVries to give us a bigger option, although I still doubt a bit that our players have the brains to bring him into the game that often, when he gets the chance to chest it down, hold it up and lay it off, he can be a decent player and is something a bit different to the other strikers we've got. option option option
ronnup Posted 14 November 2007 Posted 14 November 2007 He'd have caused trouble for that lot last night which is more than any of the strikers we actually played managed.John wasn't fit, Fryatt looked so slow and static it hurt and Campbell proved brittle. Heroes one and all. Sorry - I'm aware that you and others don't rate the guy - but until we get someone else with pace and strength he is the best we've got. that's just bollocks
lookwhaticando Posted 14 November 2007 Posted 14 November 2007 that's just bollocks And that's just your opinion.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 14 November 2007 Posted 14 November 2007 And that's just your opinion. Which is correct.
Thracian Posted 14 November 2007 Posted 14 November 2007 that's just bollocks Fire away. Who have we got up front with pace and strength?
Asha Posted 14 November 2007 Posted 14 November 2007 It does indeed, which would actually strengthen Hammond's case at Leicester City, even though I have never seen him as an out and out striker.Hammond scored 5 goals in 17 starts last season - virtually a goal in three. This season, with a theoretically better team, Cort hasn't scored at all yet, Fryatt has scored two in 12 and Hume two in 11. er. Oh so it was a 20 stone walrus that put us 3-2 up at Chelski then.
Alexikokopops Posted 14 November 2007 Posted 14 November 2007 Ian Ormondroyd Ian Ormondroyd Ian Ormondroyd Ian Ormondroyd Ian Ormondroyd Ian Ormondroyd Ian Ormondroyd Ian Ormondroyd Ian Ormondroyd Ian Ormondroyd Ian Ormondroyd It's just beautiful.
Thracian Posted 14 November 2007 Posted 14 November 2007 Oh so it was a 20 stone walrus that put us 3-2 up at Chelski then. Apologies for that. It wasn't recorded in the tabulated appearances and goals chart in the Burnley programme - though it was listed in the Carling Cup stats alongside when I checked.
willy37 Posted 14 November 2007 Posted 14 November 2007 i would love to see.. Fulop Mcauley N'Gotty Kisnorbo Kaebi Clemence Ferreira Hume Campbell Fryatt John
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