davieG Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 Overrated People seem to be selecting their managers by how much passion they visibly possess. I for one think this is overrated, sure you need someone who at least appears interested but there is many a successful manager that spends the best part of 90 minutes virtually motionless. This doesn't mean they don't have passion, they could have it by the bucket load but are able to control it, in many respects that could indicate a higher level of intelligence or at least rational thinking in times of crisis. The two can go together success and visible passion like wise deep thinking and success is not always guaranteed. I'd much rather hear that a manager is intelligent, adventurous/a risk taker (when appropriate), rational and above all successful as well as having a deep love for the beautiful game - passion on it's own is useless we should know we've all got it.
Tabou Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 Totally Agree. Whilst I think that passion is an important asset for a manager in ANY role (not just football), it most definantly isn't the be-all and end-all. Some one like Jewell, however unrealistic, has the passion, but also the motivational needs, tactical awareness and general talent to suceed. Walshy, however passionate he may be, has no track record to prove he has any of the above. Not saying he DOESN'T have them, he just is unproven. And, is it worth the gamble? Is it worth risking spending all seasin in 18th place because he has passion? Is it worth risking Walshy's legendary status because he has passion to be a manager? My opnion is, no it is not. We gave Allen, when relatively unproven in this league, a chance. We gave Megson, out of work for 18 months, a chance. Look what happened. Clearly, we need an established manager that can provide us with the stability and drive that we so desperatly need. Remember, success is the end product of stabilty, hard work and persiverance. We wont win every game between now and Christmas because our manager has passion. If passion is what we are after, then employing the next manager is easy, as there are 20,000 passionate candidates to be found at the Walkers every other saturday.
dandannieldanok Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 Clearly, we need an established manager that can provide us with the stability and drive that we so desperatly need. No established manager will want to leave a job for this poisoned challis.
Tabou Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 No established manager will want to leave a job for this poisoned challis. To be an 'Established Manager' doesn't mean that he has to be currently employed. Brian Little is an established manager. Paul Jewell is an established manager...
MPH Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 OverratedPeople seem to be selecting their managers by how much passion they visibly possess. I for one think this is overrated, sure you need someone who at least appears interested but there is many a successful manager that spends the best part of 90 minutes virtually motionless. This doesn't mean they don't have passion, they could have it by the bucket load but are able to control it, in many respects that could indicate a higher level of intelligence or at least rational thinking in times of crisis. The two can go together success and visible passion like wise deep thinking and success is not always guaranteed. I'd much rather hear that a manager is intelligent, adventurous/a risk taker (when appropriate), rational and above all successful as well as having a deep love for the beautiful game - passion on it's own is useless we should know we've all got it. i dont consider it to be over rated, i consider it one of many to be important. Passion can inspire players. which is no good if you pick 7 defensive minded players, for example. so i consider it needed but alongside many others that you mentioned.
dandannieldanok Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 To be an 'Established Manager' doesn't mean that he has to be currently employed. Brian Little is an established manager. Paul Jewell is an established manager... Brian Little has not had a job for years and I'd be extremely surprised if Jewell accepted us after rejecting Bolton and other safer options.
Zingari Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 i believe it to be one of the most important attributes of a manager , how it manifests itself in his behaviour is of course open to speculation , but it seems that the more demonstratively passionate players and managers appear to inspire greater things in those around . this of course is just my opinion gained from watching though and in no way would i argue that calmer managers have not been successful
James. Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 i believe it to be one of the most important attributes of a manager , I don't. The most important attributes of a manager are: Ability to handle pressure Tactical awareness General motivational skills Competence in transfer market Relevant experience (either as player or manager) Passion may manifest itself in general motivational skills but motivating players is much more than just displaying passion. It is about instilling a team spirit, a work ethic, a never-say-die attitude and the enthusiasm, ambition and drive for success. Fans like to see passionate managers because they can relate to them. Leicester fans like to see passionate managers because it reminds us of O'Neill. I just want a manager that can move this club forward and has enough of the above skills to achieve that. Passion is a bonus, a quality to be admired, but far from crucial to success.
Joe. Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 Brian Little has not had a job for years and I'd be extremely surprised if Jewell accepted us after rejecting Bolton and other safer options. It's only about a year and a half since he left Tranmere.
Tabou Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 Brian Little has not had a job for years and I'd be extremely surprised if Jewell accepted us after rejecting Bolton and other safer options. Yes agreed. Jewell may not come. But thats not the point. Jewell & Little = ESTABLISHED Walsh = NOT ESTABLISHED
ronnup Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 I'm really at a loss to who we'll get. No idea at all. Doubt we'll be happy no matter what as we only really want Jewell as a majority. Oh well. Ince has got Macc town banging em in.
Tabou Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 I'm really at a loss to who we'll get. No idea at all. Doubt we'll be happy no matter what as we only really want Jewell as a majority. Oh well. Ince has got Macc town banging em in. Agreed. Everyone will be happy with Jewell. But really? Chances of getting him#? 98% of people on here would be happy with Walshy, but for how long? Until We get to Xmas with 3 wins and some draws/losseS?
ithuriel Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 depends on the manager i suppose , o'niell is very passionate where as redknapp does not show so much.
David O'Leary Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 To be an 'Established Manager' doesn't mean that he has to be currently employed. Brian Little is an established manager. Paul Jewell is an established manager... Now let's be realistic........I really hope I'm wrong but he won't come for love nor money to this place
Joe. Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 Now let's be realistic........I really hope I'm wrong but he won't come for love nor money to this place The chances are he won't come yes but he's not that high profile that he wouldn't come here. We're probably exactly the sort of club he'd come to I reckon if he wanted to come back into management.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 OverratedPeople seem to be selecting their managers by how much passion they visibly possess. I for one think this is overrated, sure you need someone who at least appears interested but there is many a successful manager that spends the best part of 90 minutes virtually motionless. This doesn't mean they don't have passion, they could have it by the bucket load but are able to control it, in many respects that could indicate a higher level of intelligence or at least rational thinking in times of crisis. The two can go together success and visible passion like wise deep thinking and success is not always guaranteed. I'd much rather hear that a manager is intelligent, adventurous/a risk taker (when appropriate), rational and above all successful as well as having a deep love for the beautiful game - passion on it's own is useless we should know we've all got it. It's not even worth discussing if you ask me. Passion is a style of management as oppose to something that makes a manager a good one. Every manager wants to win, every manager has their own personality. Some jump up and down and scream others sit back in their dug out without showing much emotion. Both kinds can be succesfull, this is as management is mainly about tactical awareness, choice of personal and descion making over how much they do/don't shout and scream.
Hullfox Posted 27 October 2007 Posted 27 October 2007 Agreed. Everyone will be happy with Jewell. But really? Chances of getting him#?98% of people on here would be happy with Walshy, but for how long? Until We get to Xmas with 3 wins and some draws/losseS? not if you read the relevant thread they're not.
davieG Posted 28 October 2007 Author Posted 28 October 2007 It's not even worth discussing if you ask me. Passion is a style of management as oppose to something that makes a manager a good one. Every manager wants to win, every manager has their own personality. Some jump up and down and scream others sit back in their dug out without showing much emotion. Both kinds can be succesfull, this is as management is mainly about tactical awareness, choice of personal and descion making over how much they do/don't shout and scream. Agree it is a style of management but it bemuses me when a prospective manager is put forward as the 'right' one and the only attribute given in his favour is that he's passionate and/or Leicester through and through. E.g Walsh
Hullfox Posted 28 October 2007 Posted 28 October 2007 Agree it is a style of management but it bemuses me when a prospective manager is put forward as the 'right' one and the only attribute given in his favour is that he's passionate and/or Leicester through and through. E.g Walsh Maybe davie it's the fact that it is all he has going for him.
davieG Posted 28 October 2007 Author Posted 28 October 2007 Passion comes in all shapes and sizes so to speak for some it's very visible and heart on the sleeve type others prefer not to show their passion. People seem to be too easily fooled by open displays of passion and of late it's become the norm to openly and publically express grief/mourning even if it's for someone they never knew personally - I blame Princess Diana - well she can't argue back can she Maybe davie it's the fact that it is all he has going for him. Not forgetting he's watched one or two games this season.
Manwell Pablo Posted 28 October 2007 Posted 28 October 2007 Passion comes in all shapes and sizes so to speak for some it's very visible and heart on the sleeve type others prefer not to show their passion.People seem to be too easily fooled by open displays of passion and of late it's become the norm to openly and publically express grief/mourning even if it's for someone they never knew personally - I blame Princess Diana - well she can't argue back can she Not forgetting he's watched one or two games this season. His management pitch on RL was hilarious on Saturday. He spent the first 20 minutes slagging off the formation and Sean Newton, in " I could do better than this" sort of way. When we went 2-0 up with Newton putting the cross in for the first he promptly shut his mouth.
Chrysalis Posted 29 October 2007 Posted 29 October 2007 I think we should give walsh a crack he has the motivation and he has played under MON, people like roy keane only show how valuable the experience of playing under a winning manager is.
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 29 October 2007 Posted 29 October 2007 I think we should give walsh a crack he has the motivation and he has played under MON, people like roy keane only show how valuable the experience of playing under a winning manager is. What a load of crap-----------------------------Can't you understand ----------he's NOT QUALIFIED to manage anybody!!!!!
FilboFox Posted 29 October 2007 Posted 29 October 2007 What a load of crap-----------------------------Can't you understand ----------he's NOT QUALIFIED to manage anybody!!!!! And yet he has expressed an interest in becoming manager here....
Dr The Singh Posted 29 October 2007 Posted 29 October 2007 What a load of crap-----------------------------Can't you understand ----------he's NOT QUALIFIED to manage anybody!!!!! But the ladies do say he is passionate!! Anyway, it's all about man management and team management skills, if being outwardely passionate works for you then so be it but it shouldn't be a essentail characteristic!!
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