Time to Re adjust?

[Fox in a Box]

15 games gone and 17pts in yet another woeful season, expectations were a little higher than in the past few seasons with the promise of funds from MM and an emerging talent in MA, well with MA and GM both gone and the foxes languising in the lower reaches of the table (AGAIN), what do you feel are out true expectations for this season.

I always say look at the table after a dozen games as this starts to show the table and how teams are preforming, yes I know teams can catapult themselves up the league with a few wins, but of late we haven't really taken the bull by the horns and converted the draws into wins. The exception is S Weds away and beating Villa these were both credible scalps.

Seeing a dismal display at home against Burnley I'm looking now at top 8 if that but MM must get one the new manager right and he must invest in the team if we are to progress this season and into the next.

The players have been playing out of form out of position and the formation at times beggars belief.

Over to you mandaric you mentioned a three year plan and well days are eroding away and I cant see any sign of progress!, as he mentioned when he first spoke he will deem it as a failure if we are not in the PREM in 3 years well we look a mile of that at the moment.

[Head Honcho]

Champions still.

[Zingari]

15 games gone and 17pts in yet another woeful season, expectations were a little higher than in the past few seasons with the promise of funds from MM and an emerging talent in MA, well with MA and GM both gone and the foxes languising in the lower reaches of the table (AGAIN), what do you feel are out true expectations for this season.

I always say look at the table after a dozen games as this starts to show the table and how teams are preforming, yes I know teams can catapult themselves up the league with a few wins, but of late we haven't really taken the bull by the horns and converted the draws into wins. The exception is S Weds away and beating Villa these were both credible scalps.

Seeing a dismal display at home against Burnley I'm looking now at top 8 if that but MM must get one the new manager right and he must invest in the team if we are to progress this season and into the next.

The players have been playing out of form out of position and the formation at times beggars belief.

Over to you mandaric you mentioned a three year plan and well days are eroding away and I cant see any sign of progress!, as he mentioned when he first spoke he will deem it as a failure if we are not in the PREM in 3 years well we look a mile of that at the moment.

i think he meant the "blue square prem"

[Fat Ron]

15 games gone and 17pts in yet another woeful season, expectations were a little higher than in the past few seasons with the promise of funds from MM and an emerging talent in MA, well with MA and GM both gone and the foxes languising in the lower reaches of the table (AGAIN), what do you feel are out true expectations for this season.

I always say look at the table after a dozen games as this starts to show the table and how teams are preforming, yes I know teams can catapult themselves up the league with a few wins, but of late we haven't really taken the bull by the horns and converted the draws into wins. The exception is S Weds away and beating Villa these were both credible scalps.

Seeing a dismal display at home against Burnley I'm looking now at top 8 if that but MM must get one the new manager right and he must invest in the team if we are to progress this season and into the next.

The players have been playing out of form out of position and the formation at times beggars belief.

Over to you mandaric you mentioned a three year plan and well days are eroding away and I cant see any sign of progress!, as he mentioned when he first spoke he will deem it as a failure if we are not in the PREM in 3 years well we look a mile of that at the moment.

Personally I expected nothing more than a Transsision season and would be happy with top 10, Play Off's would be awsome but realistically I dont think we are good enough to reach them or indeed win them should we manage to scrape it.

Even now, I would say that a top half finish is not beyond us but it really depends on what Manager comes in and what players (if any) come in January. Allen came in with lots of enthusiasm but if we are honest only 1 signing that he made has actually improved the side from last season (Fulop). Clem has looked good in patches but has been playing in a depleted midfield, Chambers has been played out if position, Cort has had 1 or 2 decent games but has struggled to fit in, Campbell has been under used IMO and the rest (Neilson, Kaebi, Hayes, Sappleton, Hellings) have less games accumilated than Junior Lewis won on his own!!! And thats ****ing scary.

I just want to see more stability in the club, lets keep hold of a Manager for at least a Season to give him time to get to grips with the players, Lets see the new man bring in players that will actually play and preferably in thier own positions!! and lets see the side string more than 2 results together... Then providing the plan works we will see a steady improvement before May and moving into the summer.

Champions still.

You are having a bath mate... Unless you mean the Reserves!!

[Wherethefoxhat?]

15 games gone and 17pts in yet another woeful season, expectations were a little higher than in the past few seasons with the promise of funds from MM and an emerging talent in MA, well with MA and GM both gone and the foxes languising in the lower reaches of the table (AGAIN), what do you feel are out true expectations for this season.

I always say look at the table after a dozen games as this starts to show the table and how teams are preforming, yes I know teams can catapult themselves up the league with a few wins, but of late we haven't really taken the bull by the horns and converted the draws into wins. The exception is S Weds away and beating Villa these were both credible scalps.

Seeing a dismal display at home against Burnley I'm looking now at top 8 if that but MM must get one the new manager right and he must invest in the team if we are to progress this season and into the next.

The players have been playing out of form out of position and the formation at times beggars belief.

Over to you mandaric you mentioned a three year plan and well days are eroding away and I cant see any sign of progress!, as he mentioned when he first spoke he will deem it as a failure if we are not in the PREM in 3 years well we look a mile of that at the moment.

Another irrelevant thread--------------------------try telling us something we don't ACTUALLY know !!!!!!

[Chimp]

My expectations haven't changed at all, they're the same as I expected pre-season... mid-table obscurity with the occassioanl brushes of relegation fears.

My expectations aren't going to change until we have a decent manager in place for 12+ months and we have at least 75% of the squad comprising of proven quality players... so sometime in 2009 maybe?

[teblin]

A decent finish and top ten would do me, then have a real go next season.

[STUHILL]

I just want a decent manager in who can build a team for the future, if that means having a poor finish this season then thats ok, it all went tits up when MM appointed and then sacked Allen, we have never recovered from that. We need a manager who will make some smart signings in Jan and also have another clearout in Summer with some actual quality coming in. But stranger things have happened, bar WBA and Watford, i think the playoffs are still very open.

[Thracian]

15 games gone and 17pts in yet another woeful season, expectations were a little higher than in the past few seasons with the promise of funds from MM and an emerging talent in MA, well with MA and GM both gone and the foxes languising in the lower reaches of the table (AGAIN), what do you feel are out true expectations for this season.

I always say look at the table after a dozen games as this starts to show the table and how teams are preforming, yes I know teams can catapult themselves up the league with a few wins, but of late we haven't really taken the bull by the horns and converted the draws into wins. The exception is S Weds away and beating Villa these were both credible scalps.

Seeing a dismal display at home against Burnley I'm looking now at top 8 if that but MM must get one the new manager right and he must invest in the team if we are to progress this season and into the next.

The players have been playing out of form out of position and the formation at times beggars belief.

Over to you mandaric you mentioned a three year plan and well days are eroding away and I cant see any sign of progress!, as he mentioned when he first spoke he will deem it as a failure if we are not in the PREM in 3 years well we look a mile of that at the moment.

The only reason it is not genuinely embarrassing is because the League is so tight and there's still a top six place to push for.

But there's no helping Leicester.

You call for managers who really fight to win every three points available and what you get is people who play systems where a draw is always likely, where the football is sure to be dour and whereby there's no chance of creating the electric home atmosphere which is so vital to us making progress.

You ask for people to scout players properly before signing them and instead we sign people who seemingly haven't been looked at at all. Spotting good players is easy but it does need doing properly.

You expect a sensible managerial situation where the message is passed down from the top, where everyone pulls together and where there is continuity. With caretakers, we're approaching our seventh management team in less than 12 months. How daft is that.

You expect a squad of about 26 players which blends quality players, both young and experienced, but instead you have a 36-strong squad where at least nine players who have virtually no chance of competing for a first team place. What a waste of time, money and squad places.

At the very least you expect that our players be fit but then you watch a game which shows that some players are way short in fitness terms and wonder why that should be?

One thing. Our new manager, whoever he is, won't be short of things to do. MM says he wants someone to dictate terms to playes in respect of our style of play and tactics. And even that is sounds like so much shit.

We need a manager who dictates more than that. And we had one except MM chose to let those grumbling from within dictate terms instead of backing the guy, eccentric though he was.

What sort of message did that send. Certainly not one we seem to have recovered from. Until MM resolves to genuinely back someone and demonstrates as much when the flak flies, I'm not surprised so many people turn down the chance to join him.

If backing a boss means transferring some so-called stars I couldn't give a toss. Our one Premiership standard player is a loanee. We have some reasonably promising youngsters. But every single one of our players is well short of what I would call a quality footballer.

And if any think they can do better elsewhere let them go.

Some should be given a gentle push on their way.

[Staf]

I am expecting a bottom half finish maybe 15th or 16th

[maddog]

My expectations pre season was play offs and that remains the same.

There are still 30 games to go, we are not that far behind, and the new new new new manager this season and the players could click and we may end up winning games. And not just winning 1 game winning 6 or 7 in a row.

I still believe we can make the play offs, id rather be in the position we are now trying to catch up with the play offs and maybe sneak into them with a couple of games to go in the season and finish there. I rekon if we were in the play off places now there would be no way we could retain that consistent form and results for the next 30 games and we would end up falling out of the play off places with a few games to go in the season.

We are capable of winning every match in this division we just have to start doing it. The new new new new manager needs to get the tactics and formation right in every match, attacking a lot more in home games and away against weaker teams. Players like Kaebi, Hayes, Hellings need to be given a consistent try in the first team for a number of games to see if they are capable of doing anything in this division.

They may have bad games for the reserves but they must be totally de motivated and disappointed not being in the first team. Some people say Kaebi shouldn't be in the first team because he has bad games for the reserves but can you imagine cocky players like Richard Stearman, Carl Cort, being put in the reserves like they should be (especially Stearman) and playing really well because i can't. Players like Sappleton should be playing for the first team, he keeps scoring for the reserves. Theres no way Cort, Fryatt, Campbell, etc would score loads in the reserves like him.

Get Sappleton in

[Fat Ron]

id rather be in the position we are now trying to catch up with the play offs and maybe sneak into them with a couple of games to go in the season and finish there. I rekon if we were in the play off places now there would be no way we could retain that consistent form and results for the next 30 games and we would end up falling out of the play off places with a few games to go in the season.

This makes no sense what so ever... You are saying that if we were at the top of the league you would expect us to fail but as we are crap and at the bottom you expect us to make the play-off's?

We are capable of winning every match in this division we just have to start doing it.

There has been absolutly no proof that we can win every match in this division. Draws against Stoke, Colchester & Sc*nthorpe confirm otherwise not to mention losing at home again to Burnley

Players like Kaebi, Hayes, Hellings need to be given a consistent try in the first team for a number of games to see if they are capable of doing anything in this division.

Cant cut it in the Reserves, which you next comment proves...

They may have bad games for the reserves but they must be totally de motivated and disappointed not being in the first team.

They need to prove thier worth to the club before putting them in the first team. This isnt Pre-Season where you can chop and change, we need consistancy and whilst we are not winning at the moment at least we arnt losing by 2 or 3 every week.

[Thracian]

My expectations pre season was play offs and that remains the same.

There are still 30 games to go, we are not that far behind, and the new new new new manager this season and the players could click and we may end up winning games. And not just winning 1 game winning 6 or 7 in a row.

I still believe we can make the play offs, id rather be in the position we are now trying to catch up with the play offs and maybe sneak into them with a couple of games to go in the season and finish there. I rekon if we were in the play off places now there would be no way we could retain that consistent form and results for the next 30 games and we would end up falling out of the play off places with a few games to go in the season.

We are capable of winning every match in this division we just have to start doing it. The new new new new manager needs to get the tactics and formation right in every match, attacking a lot more in home games and away against weaker teams. Players like Kaebi, Hayes, Hellings need to be given a consistent try in the first team for a number of games to see if they are capable of doing anything in this division.

They may have bad games for the reserves but they must be totally de motivated and disappointed not being in the first team. Some people say Kaebi shouldn't be in the first team because he has bad games for the reserves but can you imagine cocky players like Richard Stearman, Carl Cort, being put in the reserves like they should be (especially Stearman) and playing really well because i can't. Players like Sappleton should be playing for the first team, he keeps scoring for the reserves. Theres no way Cort, Fryatt, Campbell, etc would score loads in the reserves like him.

Get Sappleton in

Stearman has already played in the reserves more than once this season and made it look easy.

And Campbell would score stacks of goals.

Sappleton might have scored against Hinckley last night but he looked a long way off first team calibre after a bright start.

As did Billy Kee.

Leicester City Reserves are nothing like the side of two seasons ago and it didn't help that we didn't have a reserves side to speak of last season.

Two years ago the team was basically made up of Academy players breaking through almost as a team and in the natural way of things.

They understood each other and looked like it.

This season we started with a team of strangers and novices and that has shown too.

At this time I see no-one in the reserves who I think is really good enough for the first team apart from King and Hayes who are still recovering full-fitness after injury.

[maddog]

What im basically trying to say is players playing awful for the first team should be dropped for other squad players.

[Thracian]

What im basically trying to say is players playing awful for the first team should be dropped for other squad players.

I did try to tackle this question at a Supporters Club meeting last season and received no satisfactory answer.

The official line seemed to be that the reserves was for the continued development of Academy and young players.

It was not thought the appropriate place for senior professionals unless they expressed a wish to play or needed a game or so to recover from injury.

Alan Maybury has turned out on several occasions, often as captain, Kenton has played and Ferreira too. Otherwise it has been virtually all young players including the first teamers Stearman and Hayes at times.

Several young players being used are very inexperienced and two of the more experienced ones, McKay and Beskick are injured now which doesn't help. Nor does the long term absence of Porter with his medial ligament damage because he sometimes turned out in midfield when recovering from previous injuries or when not likely to be used in the first team.

You'd think it was an ideal time for Kaebi, Ferreira, Hellings and Djiziri to shine but that hasn't happened.

[maddog]

I did try to tackle this question at a Supporters Club meeting last season and received no satisfactory answer.

The official line seemed to be that the reserves was for the continued development of Academy and young players.

It was not thought the appropriate place for senior professionals unless they expressed a wish to play or needed a game or so to recover from injury.

Alan Maybury has turned out on several occasions, often as captain, Kenton has played and Ferreira too. Otherwise it has been virtually all young players including the first teamers Stearman and Hayes at times.

Several young players being used are very inexperienced and two of the more experienced ones, McKay and Beskick are injured now which doesn't help. Nor does the long term absence of Porter with his medial ligament damage because he sometimes turned out in midfield when recovering from previous injuries or when not likely to be used in the first team.

You'd think it was an ideal time for Kaebi, Ferreira, Hellings and Djiziri to shine but that hasn't happened.

But possibly if those players were given a game in the first team they may play well

They have got to be better than Stearman who continutes to start even game despite playing absolutely shocking. I wish wish we could go back in time 10 years and make sure that now none of this would be happening We used to have a team who deserved to be in the Premiership, now we have a team who don't deserve to be in the Championship. Could be decades before we get back to who we were under MON.

[Thracian]

But possibly if those players were given a game in the first team they may play well

They have got to be better than Stearman who continutes to start even game despite playing absolutely shocking. I wish wish we could go back in time 10 years and make sure that now none of this would be happening We used to have a team who deserved to be in the Premiership, now we have a team who don't deserve to be in the Championship. Could be decades before we get back to who we were under MON.

I wish I could go back much further than 10 years but it's not going to happen so the only thing now is to demand some standards for today's team.

That wouldn't mean the first team swopping Stearman or Chambers for Kaebi from anything I've seen.

[demon_dog]

Expectations for the rest of the season?

To visit my Doctor for more pills to lift me out of the deep depths of depression I get whenever I see us play.

Never in all my years of watching us, have I seen such dismal lacklustre performances as the past few games. (Except Chelsea)

At the present moment I cannot see any manager coming in and turning us around.

We have players who are simply not up to the task, one off flash results are no good.

We need consistency, something our present shower of shite are incapable of being.

So far this season MM's wasted his money paying crap players who don't deserve to wear the shirt.

I recall the time when we had a team who were proud to play for Leicester City, it seems those days have long gone.

Let's have a bloody good clear out, (if you can find enough twats to buy any of our players), and start from scratch.

Let's have players who care about the club and the supporters, let's see them playing with the passion and desire that we as fans give to the club.

Expectations. Huh.

[Simon]

I expected to be somewhere between top half and the lower sections of the playoff positions at the beginning of the season. I still think that's where we'll finish. Watford may seem like a distant memory, but the team HAS shown it is capable of beating the best in what is a tight division.

If we can go back to playing 4-4-2 with proper wingers and a fit Clem and Weso with two of Campbell/Hume and Fryatt/John up front, get a decent manager (Holloway would be more than adequate, Tigana even better) I still think we'll be in about that area come the end of the season.

[Thracian]

I expected to be somewhere between top half and the lower sections of the playoff positions at the beginning of the season. I still think that's where we'll finish. Watford may seem like a distant memory, but the team HAS shown it is capable of beating the best in what is a tight division.

If we can go back to playing 4-4-2 with proper wingers and a fit Clem and Weso with two of Campbell/Hume and Fryatt/John up front, get a decent manager (Holloway would be more than adequate, Tigana even better) I still think we'll be in about that area come the end of the season.

Both you and Demon Dog make valid points and I don't think the challenge is beyond us yet.

The upheavals this season have been so counter-productive and there's no doubt that serious mistakes have been made with some of our signings.

But I'm not sure the right manager couldn't still turn things around. I have never thought the core of our current squad s anything like as bad as people make out when things go wrong. Injuries you refer to haven't helped either.

But where to find the wide men and the midfield creativity? And how to be more creative from the right in general.

There are vital shortcomings that must be addressed.

But also we have to start playing in a way that excites people and prompts them to get behind the team and create some atmosphere. We have to start getting people into and around the opposition penalty area.

And doing so with confidence and belief in one another.

Trouble is, people with enough charisma to address all those things happen tend to be in good jobs already.

[Simon]

Both you and Demon Dog make valid points and I don't think the challenge is beyond us yet.

The upheavals this season have been so counter-productive and there's no doubt that serious mistakes have been made with some of our signings.

But I'm not sure the right manager couldn't still turn things around. I have never thought the core of our current squad s anything like as bad as people make out when things go wrong. Injuries you refer to haven't helped either.

But where to find the wide men and the midfield creativity? And how to be more creative from the right in general.

There are vital shortcomings that must be addressed.

But also we have to start playing in a way that excites people and prompts them to get behind the team and create some atmosphere. We have to start getting people into and around the opposition penalty area.

And doing so with confidence and belief in one another.

Trouble is, people with enough charisma to address all those things happen tend to be in good jobs already.

Very true Thrac.

In my opinion it's just a simple case of playing players where they're comfortable. If we want pace and width down the right then Chambers should play right back, surely? If we're going to insist on playing Stearman (and I happen to think it might be worth pursuing) then the lad has to play centre-back, he's just not a right back. The width is there on the left- Sheehan, Mattock and Hayes look more than competent.

I know people bang on about this and I really try not to but it just amazes that, given our injuries, neither Ferreira nor Kaebi have been given a shout on the right. Not even for one match. Granted we've been playing 5-3-2, but given how we've struggled going forward and have had just about every injury in these areas of the park I'm gobsmacked that they've not been given a chance. I understand that neither have particular set reserve team football alight, but if I'm honest I think that's a rarity anyway especially with foreigners new to these shores. As long as we just say to them, we want you to attack, the rest of the team will back you up, I think this kind of calculated risk could work. Our back line is solid enough to give either of them a freer license to roam forward. It's about time we began to see someone in a Leicester shirt doing this- I can't remember the last person that did!

I just want to see them given a chance. ONE chance. That's all I'm asking. Given that others have had multiple chances I don't think that's a difficult thing to ask.

We're difficult to beat, for the first time in a long time I'm happy with a Leicester City defence. Now let's sort out the attack. If that means taking a chance on a couple of players then so be it; after the shilo that has been given a chance in these positions I think it would be deserved. It'll take a brave manager, but I think it can be done...

[reynard]

I expect another new manager to replace the one we haven't got to be appointed in mid march to try and stave off relegation.

Or alternatively a dull season of mediocre football where we reach the dizzy heights of 15th.

[Simi]

Depends what you expected at the start of the season. Anyone that thought promotion was a possibility at the start of the season really needs to think again at what this league is capable of throwing up. As you can see from us beating Watford to then losing to Burnley, anything is possible. To get out of here, you need to be consistent and resilient, else you wont get anywhere. So far we have been neither and we're not close to any of them.

At the start of the season I said we could get a top half finish and I would deem that as a good season. So far we don't look like doing that, but if we have the foundations to this laid in by Christmas then make a couple of good signings, I see no reason why that is not a possibility this year.

[James.]

All I expected and wanted was something we have lacked for too many seasons and that is progress. Off the pitch and on it. The most frustrating aspect of the season so far has been that we just haven't made any.

As Ched says a top half finish is still well within our grasp but we will need to display far greater consistency if we are going to achieve that. Having a manager for more than a few weeks would help.

If we finish 12th or above I'll be content. And that's pretty much how I was thinking before the season started.

[ozleicester]

Still expecting playoffs.

To succeed will take a manager with some flair and confidence, given the recent problems that is going to be hard to find, however, if a manager is given a 3 year contract, and a guarantee of seeing it out that will help.

If i was a Holloway, Tigana or Dowie, i would have the contract include a HUGE payout for early termination, that way, the chairman cannot afford not to back me...the fans will have to accept me...and the players will know where i stand and what i expect and that they will not be here after i am unless i say so.

I would then go out and play some confident, stylish and entertaining football, win the championship and become a force in the Premiership.