Ric Flair Posted 22 November 2007 Author Posted 22 November 2007 Is there a Manager or Player out there whose loyalties dont lie in thier wallets? The odd one or two, but they must be a bit thick.
Greenwalker Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 Is there a Manager or Player out there whose loyalties dont lie in thier wallets? Who was that bloke in charge of Crew Alexander for like 20 years?
Jimmy Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 Who was that bloke in charge of Crew Alexander for like 20 years? Dario Gradhi
Thracian Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 Yeah the standard of football we have been watching at home park over the last year has been good quality and i have througly enjoyed going to games. Holloway is an awesome manager but his comitments lie somewhat in his wallet It might be disappointing but with people like Mandaric running football clubs I'm not surprised. You'd never choose to be a football manager if you wanted loyalty and a long-service presentation.
Ric Flair Posted 22 November 2007 Author Posted 22 November 2007 Who was that bloke in charge of Crew Alexander for like 20 years? Dario Gradi, still knocking about there isn't he?
mancunianfox Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 Who was that bloke in charge of Crew Alexander for like 20 years? Dario Gradi
Greenwalker Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 Dario Gradi, still knocking about there isn't he? No idea but hes probebly one of the only managers out there whos loyaltys dont lie in his wallet.
Jay Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 Who was that bloke in charge of Crew Alexander for like 20 years? you could also say he stayed in his comfort zone and never achieved anything besides being in a job 20years in any walk of life sometimes you are given an opportunity that you find hard to resist and you owe it to yourself to give it a ago!! I am sure you would do the same and so would I
Greenwalker Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 you could also say he stayed in his comfort zone and never achieved anything besides being in a job 20years in any walk of life sometimes you are given an opportunity that you find hard to resist and you owe it to yourself to give it a ago!!I am sure you would do the same and so would I Yeah fair point.
lookwhaticando Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 Dario Gradi, still knocking about there isn't he? He moved "upstairs" I think. No longer a hands-on manager... he's more a director of football now, concerns himself with talent and strategy while there's a head coach who does the stuff on the training pitches. At least, that's the last I read about him.
Thracian Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 you could also say he stayed in his comfort zone and never achieved anything besides being in a job 20years in any walk of life sometimes you are given an opportunity that you find hard to resist and you owe it to yourself to give it a ago!!I am sure you would do the same and so would I Depends what he wanted to achieve. Not everyone craves the limelight or the never ending uncertainty of managing a big name club. Gradi got himself a long rolling contract so, effectively, getting his own club and as far as I'm aware he thoroughly enjoyed seeing young players go through from raw novices to become decent quality professionals. Ironically though, while there's people on here calling football people to show more loyalty, you get others implying that a loyal and perhaps content man might have underperformed simply because he didn't see the attraction of life facing the shallow judgement of the national media and bosses who often care little more about football than the bottom line of their accounts. I don't think Gradi underperformed at all. I think I'm right in saying he took Crewe to greater heights than ever before, kept them there for a decent period and won his club an immense amount of respect. I wish someone would do that for us. People are by no means obliged to take theoretically better opportunities if they don't want to as I know from personal experience and have never once regretted. Gradi might well have weighed up his circumstances and decided he preferred his work at Crewe. There are many, sometimes ordinary people/managers, who crave the limelight and sometimes get lucky. Doesn't mean they are better than others who have their own values and prefer to choose their own paths for their own reasons.
Hullfox Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 I remember when under Holloway QPR came and beat us 2-1 and virtually kicked us off the pitch at times. We were dross for sure but there were some very scathing comments at the time about Holloway's tactics and the on pitch thuggery that existed. You know it was bad because I remember davieG wanting to chuck it all in. For my money we do need to be more physical if we want to get out of the division, the sides who get up (other than Reading who played the ball beautifully) always seem to be "strong" down the middle of the park. Unfortunately there is a very thin dividing line between strong and wrong and the players that we need to step up to the plate may not know the difference. I don't perceive that the bad side of QPR has followed Holloway and I for one have renewed enthusiasm for the rest of the season. A nice steady climb up the table, Bolton at home in the third round of the FA Cup and an inspired signing or two along the way will do for me this term.
Thracian Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 I remember when under Holloway QPR came and beat us 2-1 and virtually kicked us off the pitch at times. We were dross for sure but there were some very scathing comments at the time about Holloway's tactics and the on pitch thuggery that existed. You know it was bad because I remember davieG wanting to chuck it all in. For my money we do need to be more physical if we want to get out of the division, the sides who get up (other than Reading who played the ball beautifully) always seem to be "strong" down the middle of the park. Unfortunately there is a very thin dividing line between strong and wrong and the players that we need to step up to the plate may not know the difference. I don't perceive that the bad side of QPR has followed Holloway and I for one have renewed enthusiasm for the rest of the season. A nice steady climb up the table, Bolton at home in the third round of the FA Cup and an inspired signing or two along the way will do for me this term. You're right about us needing to be more physical - right through the club. The problem to me is getting tough-types who can also play a bit when they get the ball. Cos if we don't have the speed/skill in passing, speed of thought and speed of foot necessary to score goals in a three-points-for-a-win system I cannot see that simply fielding a team of hard cases will suffice. Danny Tiatto was hard but the season before last we didn't win a single game that he started. Hopefully Holloway will get the balance right.
sotonfox Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 Is there a Manager or Player out there whose loyalties dont lie in thier wallets? Is it really about money or just the chance to achieve something Doh.....That's fooked it!
Greenwalker Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 can he bring in Akos Buszacky? No, The deal is all but signed with QPR im afraid.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 23 November 2007 Posted 23 November 2007 I think the perceptions we have of Holloway back up Manwell's point about Martin Allen. Just because he played hoofball at MK Dons doesn't mean he couldn't have played better quality football here due to greater resources. At Plymouth Holloway had better players than at QPR and it would seem that the Plymouth fans thought they played some good passing, attacking football. Basing a view of a manager on one game that happened two or three years ago seems a bit silly to me when we've had numerous fans from his previous club saying that they've been playing great football under him. Anyway, fingers crossed. He can't be more boring than Megson.
Ric Flair Posted 23 November 2007 Author Posted 23 November 2007 I think the perceptions we have of Holloway back up Manwell's point about Martin Allen. Just because he played hoofball at MK Dons doesn't mean he couldn't have played better quality football here due to greater resources. At Plymouth Holloway had better players than at QPR and it would seem that the Plymouth fans thought they played some good passing, attacking football. Basing a view of a manager on one game that happened two or three years ago seems a bit silly to me when we've had numerous fans from his previous club saying that they've been playing great football under him.Anyway, fingers crossed. He can't be more boring than Megson. Holloway also said last night that he's here to play entertaining football and put on a show for the fans first and foremost. I like the sound of that, even if it's not as easy as it sounds.
Dr The Singh Posted 23 November 2007 Posted 23 November 2007 Holloway also said last night that he's here to play entertaining football and put on a show for the fans first and foremost. I like the sound of that, even if it's not as easy as it sounds. Might be difficult to achieve with the gumpth we have in our squad!!!
Fez of Mahrez Posted 23 November 2007 Posted 23 November 2007 Holloway also said last night that he's here to play entertaining football and put on a show for the fans first and foremost. I like the sound of that, even if it's not as easy as it sounds. The Martin Allen comparison is easy to make. Most of our fans felt pretty deflated when Allen left, I would say. Now let's hope Holloway restores the same values without upsetting the dinnerladies.
Simi Posted 23 November 2007 Posted 23 November 2007 The Martin Allen comparison is easy to make. Most of our fans felt pretty deflated when Allen left, I would say. Now let's hope Holloway restores the same values without upsetting the dinnerladies. Fez, you called it right about it being announced last night while you were at your gig!
Fez of Mahrez Posted 23 November 2007 Posted 23 November 2007 Fez, you called it right about it being announced last night while you were at your gig!
Strokes Posted 23 November 2007 Posted 23 November 2007 The Martin Allen comparison is easy to make. Most of our fans felt pretty deflated when Allen left, I would say. Now let's hope Holloway restores the same values without upsetting the dinnerladies. I agree, i was gutted when allen left, now i have a little hope
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