Thracian Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Holloway's comments on BBC Sport bother me: The Leicester City manager says he needs to try out all of his squad before buying new players. After Tuesday's 1-1 draw with Burnley he told BBC Radio Leicester: "I've asked the players to show me what they're about. "I need to assess everybody. I've got to be fair to these boys and I want to see all of them. "I don't care about what's gone before, some of these boys have been thrown on the scrapheap," he added. The Foxes boss is also calling for his senior players to help bring a turnaround in the club's home form: "What we need to do is make sure there is an environment in which the youngsters can shine and blossom." I've already mentioned the risks of Holloway having a long drawn out assessment of his squad. We need some urgency to our season. But it's his call to the senior players that really concerns me. It sounds exactly like Rob Kelly. He decided to "go with experience" and what a waste of time that was. I'd rather he went with our best players and noted which seniors were genuinely good enough to be part of that group. He might find 10 or 12 tops which would give us a realistic squad of about 22 leaving 10-12 others (young and old) being shed to make way for four or five quality replacements. And while he's doing all that he should get Gradel back to give Ashley Chambers a bit of proper competition on the right.
Muz Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 I would'nt read to much into it. He's inherited a hell of a lot of shite , and has little to work with. I think he's just trying to raise the morale and obviously get the best out of what he has. Dont think they'd respond very well if he came out and said ' I've got a bunch of old wasters that I just want to see me through to Jan and then I can **** 'em all off ' would they? Come January Im confident he'll know who's good enough and who's not for us and bring in some good players.
Unit Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Fiar play to him though, there might well be (doubtful though) some hidden talent somewhere. You're right about Ashley Chambers, he looked hugry for the ball and had a LOT of pace to burn in that 20 minutes against cardiff. I think he'll definately have to do some spending in the transfer window. Maybe one player in every area (def,mid,att) except goalkeeper (definately sign fulop, PLEASE!)
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 wtf He's saying he will assess all his players He's "trying out" the very players you've been arguing should be tried...
coale39 Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Holloway's comment on BBC Sport frightens me rigid:The Leicester City manager says he needs to try out all of his squad before buying new players. After Tuesday's 1-1 draw with Burnley he told BBC Radio Leicester: "I've asked the players to show me what they're about. "I need to assess everybody. I've got to be fair to these boys and I want to see all of them. "I don't care about what's gone before, some of these boys have been thrown on the scrapheap," he added. The Foxes boss is also calling for his senior players to help bring a turnaround in the club's home form: "What we need to do is make sure there is an environment in which the youngsters can shine and blossom." I've already mentioned the risks of Holloway having a long drawn out assessment of his squad. But it's his call to the senior players that really bothers me. It sounds exactly like Rob Kelly. He decided to "go with experience" and waste of time that was. I'd rather he went with our best players and noted which seniors were genuinely good enough to be part of that group. He might find 10 or 12 tops which would give us a realistic squad of about 22 leaving 10-12 others (young and old) being shed to make way for four or five quality replacements. And while he's doing all that he should get Gradel back to give Ashley Chambers a bit of proper competition on the right. That to me says "We need our home form to be better. Come on experienced players, put ya arse in gear" Where does he say he will play/buy old players?
Raj Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Dont see what Holloway has said wrong to be fair Thrac. All hes' saying is he wants to see what the players can do for himself. And he's calling for the experienced payers to pull their weight. Thats right surely? Shouldn't be putting too much pressure on the youngsters at this stage when you've got experienced players not playing to their potential.
Thracian Posted 6 December 2007 Author Posted 6 December 2007 Fiar play to him though, there might well be (doubtful though) some hidden talent somewhere. You're right about Ashley Chambers, he looked hugry for the ball and had a LOT of pace to burn in that 20 minutes against cardiff.I think he'll definately have to do some spending in the transfer window. Maybe one player in every area (def,mid,att) except goalkeeper (definately sign fulop, PLEASE!) Any "hidden" talent at Leicester would have been found long ago. There's enough managers been looking for it. Kaebi is the only one I'd want to see any longer - in right midfield assuming he, the club and his carers have the patience to persist which I rather doubt will be the case. Why? Because of his speed, movement and close control. They are qualities many players have as standard but in our first team they are often inexplicably lacking. There's three or four youngsters on the far distant horizon but they'll probably be 2-3 years or more breaking through and are not named on the current squad lists nor are they likely to be. I would love to say there's another quality Academy side coming through but they're a mixture really and don't have the swagger and impetus of last year's group which really looked the part as a team. They've got heavyweight strikers but, like the first team, they lack wingers. Guys like Gradel and the much more understated but invariably effective Beswick don't come along every season. Sadly Beswick's missed a good part of what should have been an important season through injury.
coale39 Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Any "hidden" talent at Leicester would have been found long ago. There's enough managers been looking for it. Kaebi is the only one I'd want to see any longer - in right midfield assuming he, the club and his carers have the patience to persist which I rather doubt will be the case.Why? Because of his speed, movement and close control. They are qualities many players have as standard but in our first team they are often inexplicably lacking. There's three or four youngsters on the far distant horizon but they'll probably be 2-3 years or more breaking through and are not named on the current squad lists nor are they likely to be. I would love to say there's another quality Academy side coming through but they're a mixture really and don't have the swagger and impetus of last year's group which really looked the part as a team. They've got heavyweight strikers but, like the first team, they lack wingers. Guys like Gradel and the much more understated but invariably effective Beswick don't come along every season. Sadly Beswick's missed a good part of what should have been an important season through injury. Why do you think hes like Kelly tho? I have seen no sign that he is gonna buy a lot of old journymen.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 wtfHe's saying he will assess all his players He's "trying out" the very players you've been arguing should be tried... Agreed Just don't read to much in to it
Thracian Posted 6 December 2007 Author Posted 6 December 2007 Why do you think hes like Kelly tho? I have seen no sign that he is gonna buy a lot of old journymen. It was around this time last year that Kelly first came into contact with Mandaric and, coincidence or not, decided to "go with experience" to supposedly improve our position. Along came Horsfield, Jarrett, Cadamarteri etc to join with Hughes, Johnson, Johansson and company but our season continued in the same up and down way as it had been before and the football improved not one iota. You say Holloway won't buy journeymen but what did we get from Mandaric in the summer? Kishishev came and hardly played at all, Nielsen didn't get a game, or Ferreira and Cort was ages being fit to play. Mark Devries was revived, Newton signed full-time and, overseen by Mandaric, we started the season with a team almost entirely full of experienced players - and lost! Next Clive Clarke came along and we might have had Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink too - what a shadow of his former self he looked the other week. Then, at Burnley this week, there was every sign we were heading back to the old guard just as far as we possibly could and that looked disastrous til we changed it a bit second half. Shrewd tactics? I don't think so. The game should have been over before Kingy and Chambers got the nod. All the above makes me wary because I honestly thought the signings we'd make last summer would be a bit special. Instead eight or nine were a total waste of outlay. They were not better than what we had and I'm just hoping we don't have a repeat come January and a relapse into Burnley-type football for the interim.
Raj Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Experience is the key. You dont win anything with kids.
lookwhaticando Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Rather the experience of players like Maybury than the total inexperience of toss like Kaebi.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Kids developing is a great thing Therefore kids playing with more experienced players is a good mix Dunno about too many inexperienced players in the one side though
Thracian Posted 6 December 2007 Author Posted 6 December 2007 Experience is the key.You dont win anything with kids. The classic from Alan Hansen!
Thracian Posted 6 December 2007 Author Posted 6 December 2007 Rather the experience of players like Maybury than the total inexperience of toss like Kaebi. Ummmm Kelly used to love playing Maybury in right midfield but he was overrun first half against Burnley by all accounts. I've seen both Maybury and Kaebi play regularly in the reserves this season. Neither has been a MoM contender more than perhaps once, Kaebi's been injury/mistake prone at full-back and Maybury inclined to fade in the closing quarter wherever he's played. In right midfield though it would be an interesting test to see if the speed, control and movement of Kaebi was more effective than the rather less dramatic style and longer range/more aerial passing of Maybury. I'd go with Kaebi but then I'd be trying to win the game rather than not lose it. Don't know whether I'd be right though. Depends how Kaebi responded. Maybury was a decent right back once but the spark seems to be flickering now. Kaebi's more of a sparkler - all efforvescence but, so far, of little consequence.
Thracian Posted 6 December 2007 Author Posted 6 December 2007 wtfHe's saying he will assess all his players He's "trying out" the very players you've been arguing should be tried... Maybury and Kenton in midfield?
lookwhaticando Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Ummmm Psst, Thracian, t'was tongue-in-cheek.
FilboFox Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Ollie knows what he is doing so lets not question his decisions until they actually start (if at all) to fail. Full Stop.
teblin Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Holloway's comments on BBC Sport bother me:The Leicester City manager says he needs to try out all of his squad before buying new players. After Tuesday's 1-1 draw with Burnley he told BBC Radio Leicester: "I've asked the players to show me what they're about. "I need to assess everybody. I've got to be fair to these boys and I want to see all of them. "I don't care about what's gone before, some of these boys have been thrown on the scrapheap," he added. The Foxes boss is also calling for his senior players to help bring a turnaround in the club's home form: "What we need to do is make sure there is an environment in which the youngsters can shine and blossom." I've already mentioned the risks of Holloway having a long drawn out assessment of his squad. We need some urgency to our season. But it's his call to the senior players that really concerns me. It sounds exactly like Rob Kelly. He decided to "go with experience" and what a waste of time that was. I'd rather he went with our best players and noted which seniors were genuinely good enough to be part of that group. He might find 10 or 12 tops which would give us a realistic squad of about 22 leaving 10-12 others (young and old) being shed to make way for four or five quality replacements. And while he's doing all that he should get Gradel back to give Ashley Chambers a bit of proper competition on the right. does he have much choice until jan?
teblin Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 He also said the Kenton and maybury have shown the desire to play for Leicester City(since he's been at the club), maybe some of the others haven't?
Kilworthfox Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Holloway's comments on BBC Sport bother me:The Leicester City manager says he needs to try out all of his squad before buying new players. After Tuesday's 1-1 draw with Burnley he told BBC Radio Leicester: "I've asked the players to show me what they're about. "I need to assess everybody. I've got to be fair to these boys and I want to see all of them. "I don't care about what's gone before, some of these boys have been thrown on the scrapheap," he added. The Foxes boss is also calling for his senior players to help bring a turnaround in the club's home form: "What we need to do is make sure there is an environment in which the youngsters can shine and blossom." I've already mentioned the risks of Holloway having a long drawn out assessment of his squad. We need some urgency to our season. But it's his call to the senior players that really concerns me. It sounds exactly like Rob Kelly. He decided to "go with experience" and what a waste of time that was. I'd rather he went with our best players and noted which seniors were genuinely good enough to be part of that group. He might find 10 or 12 tops which would give us a realistic squad of about 22 leaving 10-12 others (young and old) being shed to make way for four or five quality replacements. And while he's doing all that he should get Gradel back to give Ashley Chambers a bit of proper competition on the right. I agree that youth is the answer at the moment to some problems as if given a choice between Ashley Chambers or Newton I think we would all go with Chambers. But we cannot expect the Youth to pull us up to a reasonable mid table place by January as it is unfair to expect them to swim at this very early stage of their career. they may be able to do it, but as i say it is unfair to expect or demand it. This season is a massive dissapointment for me as we are in the same shiity position we have been for the last 4 years, when MM came i thought that it would change not nessercarly into Championshipwinners in his first season but I expected with the reported investment that we would have done better than this. If we are to play the youth then what was the point in spending pre season. Basically the new players have not performed better than the oldones the division would suggest. What needs to be done is: Players like Elvis, Newton, Cort, DeVries, Henderson, need to be sold or have their contracts terminated as they will not get us promotion or the improvement that is needed for promotion. We must bring in players of quality! Pre season Clem and N'gotty were brought in from Brum and were regular players, so their introduction into the squad at 1st glance was an improvement. I still believe they are good enough but results are not suggesting it. Clem is in a rut at the moment but he did do well at the start of the season! It should also be remembered that he has just come back from injury.
Fat Ron Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Lets see who he brings in in January and then we can start threads such as these... I think its harsh to ask questions when he has inherited a dodgy squad to start with. He is doing the right thing by assessing all players in all positions, just becasue on FM it says a player can only play at RB doesnt mean that in real life its the same.. I'm keeping an open mind on team selection until he has been tested in the transfer market.
Kilworthfox Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Lets see who he brings in in January and then we can start threads such as these... I think its harsh to ask questions when he has inherited a dodgy squad to start with. He is doing the right thing by assessing all players in all positions, just becasue on FM it says a player can only play at RB doesnt mean that in real life its the same.. I'm keeping an open mind on team selection until he has been testing in the transfer market. Kenton and Chambers in central midfield? Not even on FM Also I agree he has a side which will finish anything from 20th to 12th so lets not hammer him for not being top of the pile after 4 games
Hullfox Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 It seems to me that a manager can't win at this club with some people. If he didn't assess properly what he'd inherited he would have been called reckless. Becuase he does assess, he's immediately consigned to the manager's graveyard.
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