Thracian Posted 6 December 2007 Author Posted 6 December 2007 you said we played NINE defenders there last season, we didn't, playing defensively and having 9 defenders are 2 completely different things If you want to be pedantic you might say Maybury has played almost as much of his football as an attacking wide midfielder for the reserves this season. Does that mean he was an threatening attacker at Burnley? If so I didn't hear much about it. I went to Burnley last season and we based our tactics on the Wickes brick wall. And Porter became part of it.
Hullfox Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 I thought you'd have watched that game.We barely moved out of our own half and showed no attacking ambition whatsoever until Hammond's arrival. Porter was often used defensively by Kelly and didn't he suffer for it! Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant I did watch the game and we did not have 9 defenders playing. You are completely wrong and are backtracking and even claiming that Elvis was the reason for our win. He missed a one on one chance and the goal came from a goal line clearance from a Porter effort that went in off a defender. Hammond had bob all to do with it.
Hullfox Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 But you are happy to cause disruption by starting threads such as this, encouraging supporters to question his abilities and compare him to a Manager who didnt achieve what we all wanted?!?! Slicker You're wasting your time here. This is the man behind the "Time to ship Worthington out" thread after one game and he didn't attend that one either.
Fat Ron Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 SlickerYou're wasting your time here. This is the man behind the "Time to ship Worthington out" thread after one game and he didn't attend that one either. I know mate, It just grates me that after only a week in the job we have "fans" questioning his every move. Oh well, move on and upwards!!!
MPH Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 No i dont agree with what thrac is saying, Kelly was not a successfull manager before he got the managers job here.... Holloway has proven he can cut the mustard with a shoe string budget in this division.... i dont think kelly had a clue at all with tactics and transfers... Holloway knows how to get the best out of his players, he will buy well.... some of his signings down the years have turned out to be good players and he got them on the cheap!!So to say Holloway is doing a Kelly is, in my opinion nonsense....No holloway cant wave his magic wand and turn this squad into the samba stars of 1970, but what he can do is implement his own style, (which kelly didnt have) he can try and get the best out of some of the half decent ones we have and then he will more than likely add what he feels he needs. I think it is just a waiting game, he has got to be given time...to get his ideas across and then we can judge him if he is getting it wrong. I really want it to work like all of us.... Keep the faith!!
Thracian Posted 6 December 2007 Author Posted 6 December 2007 So when would be a good time to assess the players? On the training ground with no competitive action?? He needs to see what every player is about and I cant fault him. You seem to forget that although we have been here and seen what the players can or can't do week in week out, Ollie hasnt and has a lot of catching up to do. If he were to go with the players that he deem our "best" and the "seniors which are genuinely good enough to be part of that group", then he may be use the likes of Newton, Cort even more due to the lack of time to assess and judge the players. But you are happy to cause disruption by starting threads such as this, encouraging supporters to question his abilities and compare him to a Manager who didnt achieve what we all wanted?!?! And Ollie would probebly agree 100%, only trouble is due to injuries and the Transfer Window closed he has very little choice.. Maybe he should consider player the Acadmay lads as they won the League last season, we could even change formation to 5-5-0 and try to pass the ball into the net.... Ollie can see every player in competitive action via the library of full-length videos that are taken of every first team and reserves match. Coupled with what he sees in training I cannot see a problem. I can, however, see a problem with continually experimenting with a side for the purposes of giving everyone some action. From what I see we don't have enough points to play with to field less than our strongest team in any game. But if you feel the lineup at Burnley represented our strongest team and that using nine defenders, experimentally or otherwise, was the right thing to do, you're perfectly entitled to that view and would even seem to have some support. This debate has nothing to do with academy lads. If has to do with balancing the team between attackers and defenders. And my comment about 5-5-0 referred to a specific situation where our options for choosing fit, first choice strikers were virtually non existent. I said that Sappleton wasn't ready for first team football and believe that view was justified by events.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Stephen Clemence - defender Marton Fulop - defender
Thracian Posted 6 December 2007 Author Posted 6 December 2007 Brilliant. Absolutely brilliantI did watch the game and we did not have 9 defenders playing. You are completely wrong and are backtracking and even claiming that Elvis was the reason for our win. He missed a one on one chance and the goal came from a goal line clearance from a Porter effort that went in off a defender. Hammond had bob all to do with it. That game was the most unambitious example of defensive football I have ever watched Leicester play and I'm not the only one who thought so. And Hammond had significant effect when he came on, being the only Leicester player to disturb Burnley's otherwise totally controlled defence including at the mellee for the goal.
Geo V Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Holloway's comments on BBC Sport bother me:The Leicester City manager says he needs to try out all of his squad before buying new players. After Tuesday's 1-1 draw with Burnley he told BBC Radio Leicester: "I've asked the players to show me what they're about. "I need to assess everybody. I've got to be fair to these boys and I want to see all of them. "I don't care about what's gone before, some of these boys have been thrown on the scrapheap," he added. The Foxes boss is also calling for his senior players to help bring a turnaround in the club's home form: "What we need to do is make sure there is an environment in which the youngsters can shine and blossom." I've already mentioned the risks of Holloway having a long drawn out assessment of his squad. We need some urgency to our season. But it's his call to the senior players that really concerns me. It sounds exactly like Rob Kelly. He decided to "go with experience" and what a waste of time that was. I'd rather he went with our best players and noted which seniors were genuinely good enough to be part of that group. He might find 10 or 12 tops which would give us a realistic squad of about 22 leaving 10-12 others (young and old) being shed to make way for four or five quality replacements. And while he's doing all that he should get Gradel back to give Ashley Chambers a bit of proper competition on the right. What are you on about Thrac??!! Do you expect him to make a decision based upon what people have told him as opposed to what he sees and knows himself??!! Whether we like it or not, we are on our 4th manager of the season and as much as Ollie will have knowledge of our squad, he`ll be finding out plenty more through training, reserves and match day for teh first team. As hard it is for us as supporters to have to sit back and watch yet another have to work out who he likes and doesnt within the squad, its something that has to be done. As for him calling for senior players, well whats wrong with that? With all due respect teh younger lads like Fryatt, Levi, King, Mattock, Sheehan, Weso and Stearman have blown hot and cold and havent done enough to cement a guaranteed place. From the aforementioned I`d say Weso deserves a run back in the side as he started the season well and from the rest that we have within the squad I`d also include Sheehan as a left-midfielder. I`d still look to replecae the rest within the first team but the likes of King and Mattock have the ability to be nurtured into the squad but not as first teamers IMO. Leave Ollie alone and let him get on with the job at hand man without being so critical. Dont blame him for the errors of the previous management and MM!!
Thracian Posted 6 December 2007 Author Posted 6 December 2007 What are you on about Thrac??!!Do you expect him to make a decision based upon what people have told him as opposed to what he sees and knows himself??!! Whether we like it or not, we are on our 4th manager of the season and as much as Ollie will have knowledge of our squad, he`ll be finding out plenty more through training, reserves and match day for teh first team. As hard it is for us as supporters to have to sit back and watch yet another have to work out who he likes and doesnt within the squad, its something that has to be done. As for him calling for senior players, well whats wrong with that? With all due respect teh younger lads like Fryatt, Levi, King, Mattock, Sheehan, Weso and Stearman have blown hot and cold and havent done enough to cement a guaranteed place. From the aforementioned I`d say Weso deserves a run back in the side as he started the season well and from the rest that we have within the squad I`d also include Sheehan as a left-midfielder. I`d still look to replecae the rest within the first team but the likes of King and Mattock have the ability to be nurtured into the squad but not as first teamers IMO. Leave Ollie alone and let him get on with the job at hand man without being so critical. Dont blame him for the errors of the previous management and MM!! Most of what you say I've already touched on. I'm going out to get a Christmas Tree and will leave you with the Legion of Defensive Defenders!
Geo V Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Most of what you say I've already touched on.I'm going out to get a Christmas Tree and will leave you with the Legion of Defensive Defenders! It was GM that played 5 at the back at home and away though wasnt it??! I know he is still carrying on playing defenders in midfield but we are havily linked to two Plymouth wingers so that problem may well be addressed in the next few weeks once that transfer window opens.
Fat Ron Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Most of what you say I've already touched on.I'm going out to get a Christmas Tree and will leave you with the Legion of Defensive Defenders! Cheerio......
Babylon Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Ha oh yeah... i'm sure he can fit in a few hundred hours of videos no problem. Sod the house, kids, wife, training, eating, sleeping, shitting.
Hullfox Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Has anyone actually agreed with Thrach on this yet?
Geo V Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Has anyone actually agreed with Thrach on this yet? I dont actually read the complete Thrac post anymore, I just read the first line and start disagreeing. Its the only way we can have fun on these boards.
Fat Ron Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Has anyone actually agreed with Thrach on this yet? I agreed it was a good idea for him to leave the forum to put his christmas tree up!!!
James. Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Has anyone actually agreed with Thrach on this yet? I don't even remember what he was arguing about. Although I think it's safe to say the answer is no.
Geo V Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 I agreed it was a good idea for him to leave the forum to put his christmas tree up!!! These places need the likes of Thrac as it will get a bit mundane and boring without the stroppy old sod
Fat Ron Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 These places need the likes of Thrac as it will get a bit mundane and boring without the stroppy old sod Good point, in fairness his attempt to ruffle a few feathers more than worked and got us all talking..... Although it was funny to see that absolutly nobody agreed with him!!! Not sure if he would consider this thread a success or not
Thracian Posted 6 December 2007 Author Posted 6 December 2007 Has anyone actually agreed with Thrach on this yet? Gordon Brown is Prime Minister. Doesn't mean he should be. And I don't remember many agreeing that Andy King should be in the first team a few months back. Doesn't mean he wasn't the best option. . Since when has having people agree with you been a criteria for what should be aired in a fans forum? The lifeblood of places like this is topics that prompt debate. If I only aired things you'd agree with I'd wait a long time.
jonw88 Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Experience is the key.You dont win anything with kids. Yeah, just look at Arsenal...
Geo V Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 Gordon Brown is Prime Minister. Doesn't mean he should be. And I don't remember many agreeing that Andy King should be in the first team a few months back. Doesn't mean he wasn't the best option. . Since when has having people agree with you been a criteria for what should be aired in a fans forum? The lifeblood of places like this is topics that prompt debate. If I only aired things you'd agree with I'd wait a long time. fella but then again down the months you have called for Dodds, Odhiambo, Gradel, Chambers, King, Mattock, Logan, Stearman, Porter and any other that is under 21! As some have said, if you back every horse in the race you will no doubt win!! I cant say that any are so good where they would walk into lets say our next opponents West Broms team who have that experience that Ollie is going on about and that you so much disagree with. Who would you prefer??.... LM - Sheehan/Levi or Brunt? RM - Gradel or Gera?LB - Mattock or Robinson?GK - Logan or Kieley?CM - King or Teixeira?CM - Weso or Koren?CF - Dodds or Phillips?CF - Ash Chambers or Bednar?RB - Stearman or Hoefkens? I can honestly say from the younger lads I have listed, Weso is the only one I am a huge fan of and think he "can make it" and the rest are nowhere near although Mattock and Sheehan have shown flashes of ability. Its finally time to realize that our kids arent that good and just look much better because of our shocking signings who have done nothing on the whole. King is another who has potential but isnt anywhere near the class of a Koren or Teixeira yet and its time we stopped putting these lads so high up on a pedestal when they at this stage, are simply not good enough.
The People's Hero Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 The thing is, he harped on about Louis Dodds, who is struggling in league 2, whilst slagging off Matty Fryatt, who has had a good record in League One. Thracian is a plank. He just backs EVERY single youth player so that when occasionally one turns out okay (King here) he milks the fu cking credit.
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