Is Holloway doing a Kelly?

[Hullfox]

I cannot believe I am wasting eleven words on this thread.

Your words are never wasted on me Mr Fezzler.

[Thracian]

I agree that youth is the answer at the moment to some problems as if given a choice between Ashley Chambers or Newton I think we would all go with Chambers.

But we cannot expect the Youth to pull us up to a reasonable mid table place by January as it is unfair to expect them to swim at this very early stage of their career. they may be able to do it, but as i say it is unfair to expect or demand it.

This season is a massive dissapointment for me as we are in the same shiity position we have been for the last 4 years, when MM came i thought that it would change not nessercarly into Championshipwinners in his first season but I expected with the reported investment that we would have done better than this.

If we are to play the youth then what was the point in spending pre season. Basically the new players have not performed better than the oldones the division would suggest.

What needs to be done is:

Players like Elvis, Newton, Cort, DeVries, Henderson, need to be sold or have their contracts terminated as they will not get us promotion or the improvement that is needed for promotion.

We must bring in players of quality! Pre season Clem and N'gotty were brought in from Brum and were regular players, so their introduction into the squad at 1st glance was an improvement. I still believe they are good enough but results are not suggesting it. Clem is in a rut at the moment but he did do well at the start of the season! It should also be remembered that he has just come back from injury.

There's little doubt N'Gotty, Clemence and Fulop have been an improvement despite Clemence's lapse in form but ALL those three are essentially defenders and our need is for people who boost our attack and make us more threatening.

My concerns centre on the the many signings who haven't played any notable part in our season and who leave us with limited choices in the event of injury.

What a mess it has been and what a waste of money in many cases. Our young players, by now, should be revelling in the chance to play alongside some really slick seniors, people who genuinely bring the best out of them.

Instead we are doing EXACTLY what Kelly did at Burnley last season and playing nine defenders.

That line-up doesn't suggest slickness and competence and it is no use anyone pretending it does. It smacks of desperation and if it's not a Kelly-like reaction - together with the rallying call to seniors - I don't know what is.

As it happens I think Maybury and Kenton have shown the right attitude all along. Both have turned out for the reserves several times and both have given their best. They're there to be counted now our resources are stretched but BOTH are defenders. How many more defenders are going to be drafted into our side?

Because we took a point people will say "it worked" but it didn't. If anyone thinks that "worked" they are kidding themselves. We were embarrassing first half and should have been buried. It was simply an abundance of luck and last ditch defending that enabled Holloway to introduce attackers second half and steal a much-welcome point.

That first half was a mirror image of Kelly's approach and it ddn't work for him either. We'd undoubtedly have been relegated had it carried on because from the end of February til the middle of April we didn't win a game in ten and we managed just 10 goals in that time with what was just about as experienced a side as we could muster.

There are people on here think I'm against experienced players. I'm not. I'm all for experienced players who bring speed, skill and purpose to our passing. Other teams seem to have them, including Burnley. Why can't we find them? Why do we instead waste money on people (most of them young people) who have not shown themselves capable of making any contribution to our cause whatsoever?

I won't name them but they're the ones who have really let us down. Not the guys who did their best at Burnley. You cannot realistically EXPECT defenders to be attackers other than in a makeweight sense or as specialists in certain situations.

[Thracian]

And so begins Thracians campaign to turn the crowd against Holloway. Brilliant.

I've got nothing against Holloway. I'm against a situation whereby our club manager feels he needs to turn to nine defenders to have any chance of salvaging anything from Burnley and I'm against those who contributed to putting us in that situation.

[Babylon]

I've got nothing against Holloway.

What, apart from him "doing a Kelly".

[Manwell Pablo]

There's little doubt N'Gotty, Clemence and Fulop have been an improvement despite Clemence's lapse in form but ALL those three are essentially defenders and our need is for people who boost our attack and make us more threatening.

My concerns centre on the the many signings who haven't played any notable part in our season and who leave us with limited choices in the event of injury.

What a mess it has been and what a waste of money in many cases. Our young players, by now, should be revelling in the chance to play alongside some really slick seniors, people who genuinely bring the best out of them.

Instead we are doing EXACTLY what Kelly did at Burnley last season and playing nine defenders.

That line-up doesn't suggest slickness and competence and it is no use anyone pretending it does. It smacks of desperation and if it's not a Kelly-like reaction - together with the rallying call to seniors - I don't know what is.

As it happens I think Maybury and Kenton have shown the right attitude all along. Both have turned out for the reserves several times and both have given their best. They're there to be counted now our resources are stretched but BOTH are defenders. How many more defenders are going to be drafted into our side?

Because we took a point people will say "it worked" but it didn't. If anyone thinks that "worked" they are kidding themselves. We were embarrassing first half and should have been buried. It was simply an abundance of luck and last ditch defending that enabled Holloway to introduce attackers second half and steal a much-welcome point.

That first half was a mirror image of Kelly's approach and it ddn't work for him either. We'd undoubtedly have been relegated had it carried on because from the end of February til the middle of April we didn't win a game in ten and we managed just 10 goals in that time with what was just about as experienced a side as we could muster.

There are people on here think I'm against experienced players. I'm not. I'm all for experienced players who bring speed, skill and purpose to our passing. Other teams seem to have them, including Burnley. Why can't we find them? Why do we instead waste money on people (most of them young people) who have not shown themselves capable of making any contribution to our cause whatsoever?

I won't name them but they're the ones who have really let us down. Not the guys who did their best at Burnley. You cannot realistically EXPECT defenders to be attackers other than in a makeweight sense or as specialists in certain situations.

Got a result though didn't it. Both times.

[Fat Ron]

There's little doubt N'Gotty, Clemence and Fulop have been an improvement despite Clemence's lapse in form but ALL those three are essentially defenders and our need is for people who boost our attack and make us more threatening.

My concerns centre on the the many signings who haven't played any notable part in our season and who leave us with limited choices in the event of injury.

What a mess it has been and what a waste of money in many cases. Our young players, by now, should be revelling in the chance to play alongside some really slick seniors, people who genuinely bring the best out of them.

Instead we are doing EXACTLY what Kelly did at Burnley last season and playing nine defenders.

But Holloway didnt sign the players in the Summer nor has he wasted the money... You have a point in that we need to find the right players but with the Transfer Window closed until January it would be a tad difficult for Ollie to bring people in!!!

How you can possibly blame Holloway for Allens bad judgment is beggers belief.

Allen had a pre season to adjust to the club and to get use to the players, Holloway had 1 training session before his first game and then he has had 3 games in 12 days... lets get realistic about things..

[Thracian]

Got a result though didn't it. Both times.

For the reasons I mentioned.

And the trouble is thinking like that only leads to more of the same...and we've seen the results of such thinking overall.

Funny. I've never put you down as a dourist. Don't let em get to you!

[Kilworthfox]

There's little doubt N'Gotty, Clemence and Fulop have been an improvement despite Clemence's lapse in form but ALL those three are essentially defenders and our need is for people who boost our attack and make us more threatening.

My concerns centre on the the many signings who haven't played any notable part in our season and who leave us with limited choices in the event of injury.

What a mess it has been and what a waste of money in many cases. Our young players, by now, should be revelling in the chance to play alongside some really slick seniors, people who genuinely bring the best out of them.

Instead we are doing EXACTLY what Kelly did at Burnley last season and playing nine defenders.

That line-up doesn't suggest slickness and competence and it is no use anyone pretending it does. It smacks of desperation and if it's not a Kelly-like reaction - together with the rallying call to seniors - I don't know what is.

As it happens I think Maybury and Kenton have shown the right attitude all along. Both have turned out for the reserves several times and both have given their best. They're there to be counted now our resources are stretched but BOTH are defenders. How many more defenders are going to be drafted into our side?

Because we took a point people will say "it worked" but it didn't. If anyone thinks that "worked" they are kidding themselves. We were embarrassing first half and should have been buried. It was simply an abundance of luck and last ditch defending that enabled Holloway to introduce attackers second half and steal a much-welcome point.

That first half was a mirror image of Kelly's approach and it ddn't work for him either. We'd undoubtedly have been relegated had it carried on because from the end of February til the middle of April we didn't win a game in ten and we managed just 10 goals in that time with what was just about as experienced a side as we could muster.

There are people on here think I'm against experienced players. I'm not. I'm all for experienced players who bring speed, skill and purpose to our passing. Other teams seem to have them, including Burnley. Why can't we find them? Why do we instead waste money on people (most of them young people) who have not shown themselves capable of making any contribution to our cause whatsoever?

I won't name them but they're the ones who have really let us down. Not the guys who did their best at Burnley. You cannot realistically EXPECT defenders to be attackers other than in a makeweight sense or as specialists in certain situations.

I also am not in favour of sticking out too many defenders and playing them out of position. I did not go to Turf Moor but it obviously did not work in the 1st half and we barely left with a point from the 2nd.

As i said on live chat to all the guys n gals that it shows how far we have dropped as we were happy to get a point form Burnley FFS!

What we need is a fresh start, yes. What Olly has to know by Jan tho is that players who have not done it for other managers are out of favour with the fans are out of favour for a reason! The reason is that they are poor players, who do not put as much effort in as we think they should. Hume is a shining example of effort even when he is in poor form his effort is rewarded by the fans. Then on Tuesday I challenge any LCFC fan to not be delighted for him as he truely deserved to be the person to save Leicester from defeat.

So its all down to Olly to see what is what and get rid of bad news and bring the quality which the side is crying out for especially in forward areas.

[The People's Hero]

For the reasons I mentioned.

And the trouble is thinking like that only leads to more of the same...and we've seen the results of such thinking overall.

Funny. I've never put you down as a dourist. Don't let em get to you!

You're full of -ists.

If you stop pigeon-holing people for a moment and dust off your brain and engage it for once, you might start to get on with people a little better.

[Manwell Pablo]

For the reasons I mentioned.

And the trouble is thinking like that only leads to more of the same...and we've seen the results of such thinking overall.

Funny. I've never put you down as a dourist. Don't let em get to you!

Not at all but it could be worse, we could of been terrible & lost. we're always shit against Burnley for some reason they seem to have our number.

[Kilworthfox]

Not at all but it could be worse, we could of been terrible & lost. we're always shit against Burnley for some reason they seem to have our number.

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[Thracian]

But Holloway didnt sign the players in the Summer nor has he wasted the money... You have a point in that we need to find the right players but with the Transfer Window closed until January it would be a tad difficult for Ollie to bring people in!!!

How you can possibly blame Holloway for Allens bad judgment is beggers belief.

Allen had a pre season to adjust to the club and to get use to the players, Holloway had 1 training session before his first game and then he has had 3 games in 12 days... lets get realistic about things..

I don't blame Holloway. I don't blame Holloway. I don't blame Holloway. How many times? I've explained exactly who I blame.

Holloway only comes into it because I did think on the evidence of the Bristol and Cardiff games that he was moving in a different direction.

And if his only excuse for Burnley was "haqving a look at players" I wasn't impressed.

That doesn't mean I'm against him. It doesn't mean I don't sympathise with his problems.

It just means that for Leicester to play nine defenders against the likes of Burnley is not what I think will take Leicester City forward.

I know. It will all change tomorrow.

[Thracian]

What, apart from him "doing a Kelly".

Explain to me how starting with nine defenders at Burnley is not doing a Kelly?

[Kilworthfox]

I don't blame Holloway. I don't blame Holloway. I don't blame Holloway. How many times? I've explained exactly who I blame.

Holloway only comes into it because I did think on the evidence of the Bristol and Cardiff games that he was moving in a different direction.

And if his only excuse for Burnley was "haqving a look at players" I wasn't impressed.

That doesn't mean I'm against him. It doesn't mean I don't sympathise with his problems.

It just means that for Leicester to play nine defenders against the likes of Burnley is not what I think will take Leicester City forward.

I know. It will all change tomorrow.

Do you think we will play 9 attacking players instead

Chance would be a fine thing eh?

[Thracian]

Do you think we will play 9 attacking players instead

Chance would be a fine thing eh?

It will be interesting to see if ANYONE can predict what he'll do Saturday.

[Manwell Pablo]

It will be interesting to see if ANYONE can predict what he'll do Saturday.

Ok Ultra.

[Thracian]

You're full of -ists.

If you stop pigeon-holing people for a moment and dust off your brain and engage it for once, you might start to get on with people a little better.

When I start getting on with you I'll know I've made a big mistake.

[Hullfox]

Instead we are doing EXACTLY what Kelly did at Burnley last season and playing nine defenders.

Team at Burnley last season

Henderson

Maybury

Kisnorbo

McAuley

Johansson

Yeats (Hughes 45)

Johnson

Jarrett

Porter (Stearman 81)

Horsfield

Hume (Hammond 70)

Where exactly are your nine defenders in that lot?

[Thracian]

Team at Burnley last season

Henderson

Maybury

Kisnorbo

McAuley

Johansson

Yeats (Hughes 45)

Johnson

Jarrett

Porter (Stearman 81)

Horsfield

Hume (Hammond 70)

Where exactly are your nine defenders in that lot?

I thought you'd have watched that game.

We barely moved out of our own half and showed no attacking ambition whatsoever until Hammond's arrival.

Porter was often used defensively by Kelly and didn't he suffer for it!

[Jimmy]

I thought you'd have watched that game.

We barely moved out of our own half and showed no attacking ambition whatsoever until Hammond's arrival.

Porter was often used defensively by Kelly - and didn't he suffer for it.

you said we played NINE defenders there last season, we didn't, playing defensively and having 9 defenders are 2 completely different things

[Manwell Pablo]

I thought you'd have watched that game.

We barely moved out of our own half and showed no attacking ambition whatsoever until Hammond's arrival.

Porter was often used defensively by Kelly and didn't he suffer for it!

Open goal.

[Fez of Mahrez]

I thought you'd have watched that game.

We barely moved out of our own half and showed no attacking ambition whatsoever until Hammond's arrival.

Porter was often used defensively by Kelly and didn't he suffer for it!

A shit midfielder is not automatically a defender.

[teblin]

Do you think we will play 9 attacking players instead

Chance would be a fine thing eh?

We don'y have that many.

[Kilworthfox]

We don'y have that many.

[Fat Ron]

his only excuse for Burnley was "haqving a look at players" I wasn't impressed.

So when would be a good time to assess the players? On the training ground with no competitive action?? He needs to see what every player is about and I cant fault him.

You seem to forget that although we have been here and seen what the players can or can't do week in week out, Ollie hasnt and has a lot of catching up to do. If he were to go with the players that he deem our "best" and the "seniors which are genuinely good enough to be part of that group", then he may be use the likes of Newton, Cort even more due to the lack of time to assess and judge the players.

That doesn't mean I'm against him. It doesn't mean I don't sympathise with his problems.

But you are happy to cause disruption by starting threads such as this, encouraging supporters to question his abilities and compare him to a Manager who didnt achieve what we all wanted?!?!

It just means that for Leicester to play nine defenders against the likes of Burnley is not what I think will take Leicester City forward.

And Ollie would probebly agree 100%, only trouble is due to injuries and the Transfer Window closed he has very little choice..

Maybe he should consider player the Acadmay lads as they won the League last season, we could even change formation to 5-5-0 and try to pass the ball into the net....