andyh1884 Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 Top flight footballers can be and are deceptive. in 1 month count how many penalies are given in the premier league and how many are saved/conceded by the keeper going the wrong way. come back to me and if your right and there are more saved than conceded than I'll have to re-think my training drills As for your mate, if he saved almost every penalty against him, he must have been shite on crosses and 1 on 1's otherwise he'd have been playing proffesionally!! His career was cut short by a very nasty leg break & ankle dislocation. It involved pins & ops, it wasn't a pretty sight. He now has what looks like a 6-inch zip on his shin & has been told he'll never be able to play footy again. As for the research, I can't really be arsed - in order to find out if they went the wrong way surely I'd need to watch every single one?! It's not gonna tell me that on the results page of BBC is it? All I'm saying is that by studying penalty techniques you can have a better understanding of where a player will put it. Why do professional goalkeepers study hours of footage before big games where the outcome could be penalties if it's just a game of chance for them? A perfectly hit penalty is virtually unsavable, but by knowing where that perfectly hit penalty is going you can at least give yourself the smallest of chances.
WetFlannel Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 i dont understand scoring penalties, why does everyone always try to roll them in? why dont you just hit it top corner like barry and give the keeper no chance???
andyh1884 Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 How do you make that out? A goal isn't two-dimensional, and even if it were, wouldn't it be 33% (Right, left and centre)? How is it not 2-dimensional?! In essence it's just a rectangle made by the posts, a cross-bar and the goal line - if the ball crosses the goal-line it's a goal therefore it's technically a 2-d shape as it's flat. I agree with the 33% mind
andyh1884 Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 i dont understand scoring penalties, why does everyone always try to roll them in? why dont you just hit it top corner like barry and give the keeper no chance??? Because if you miss & sky it over the bar, you look like a tool. Julian Dicks had the best technique - smash it as hard as you can straight down the middle at about chest height. He didn't miss many
Fat Ron Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 His career was cut short by a very nasty leg break & ankle dislocation. It involved pins & ops, it wasn't a pretty sight. He now has what looks like a 6-inch zip on his shin & has been told he'll never be able to play footy again.As for the research, I can't really be arsed - in order to find out if they went the wrong way surely I'd need to watch every single one?! It's not gonna tell me that on the results page of BBC is it? All I'm saying is that by studying penalty techniques you can have a better understanding of where a player will put it. Why do professional goalkeepers study hours of footage before big games where the outcome could be penalties if it's just a game of chance for them? A perfectly hit penalty is virtually unsavable, but by knowing where that perfectly hit penalty is going you can at least give yourself the smallest of chances. Unless he changes his technique for that game.
WetFlannel Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 Because if you miss & sky it over the bar, you look like a tool.Julian Dicks had the best technique - smash it as hard as you can straight down the middle at about chest height. He didn't miss many matt le tissier was god... barry doesnt miss many with his technique (apart from against us )
andyh1884 Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 Unless he changes his technique for that game. I didn't say for a specific player, I meant techniques in general. Watching lots of penalties, seeing how the run-up & body shape affects where the ball ends up. Matt Le Fatt used to change where he put it all the time, cos if you stick it in the right corner 20 times in a row, the keeper's gonna have a fair idea where number 21 is going. Some goalies (e.g any goalie England face in a shoot-out) can save penalties with far more success than others and that is not down to luck
Fat Ron Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 I didn't say for a specific player, I meant techniques in general. Watching lots of penalties, seeing how the run-up & body shape affects where the ball ends up. Matt Le Fatt used to change where he put it all the time, cos if you stick it in the right corner 20 times in a row, the keeper's gonna have a fair idea where number 21 is going.Some goalies (e.g any goalie England face in a shoot-out) can save penalties with far more success than others and that is not down to luck We'll have to agree to disagree.
Bert Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 How do you make that out? A goal isn't two-dimensional, and even if it were, wouldn't it be 33% (Right, left and centre)? I'd agree with that. Yakubu is one of the best penalty takers around btw.
Geo V Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 Marton Fulop is a class goalkeeper, its only his kicking that prevents him being labelled top class IMONow I am a goalkeeping coach, nothing like the level of the professional game but I have Level 2 and coach keepers week in week out for a local side In the past three weeks Fulop has faced two penalties On each occasion he has dived, anticipating the direction of the kick, way too early Last night, he was almost touching the right post before the Counago's penalty hit the back of the net, centre of the goal I'd like to see him told to wait a second before moving, he won't get to the perfect penalty of course but he'd stand more chance of getting other penalties than anticipating so early that the striker has ine ffect the full goal to aim at. There's an art to saving penalties, beyond trying to guess from foot movement and eyes of the taker, and a goalkeeper can tilt the odds slightly more in his favour by delaying his move a touch to at least ensure he will get a slightly mis-hit shot. Not every keeper can be a Paul Cooper (one for the old timers) but at present Fulop's giving himself no chance. No offence mate but you are not qualified enough to give the bloke goalkeeping tips! He is still quite young in goalkeeping terms and will no doubt improve but lets concentrate on the positive as without him we`d be bottom of the league.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 It'd be lower than 33%, keepers don't save everything they guess right for. The figures for misses are boosted by those that strike the woodwork or are off target.
Bert Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 It'd be lower than 33%, keepers don't save everything they guess right for. The figures for misses are boosted by those that strike the woodwork or are off target. True. So we have: Score Saved right Saved left Saved centre Hit left post Hit right post Hit Crossbar Missed wide right Missed wide left Missed over the bar
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 It'd be lower than 33%, keepers don't save everything they guess right for. The figures for misses are boosted by those that strike the woodwork or are off target. Much lower than 33% Everything that gets hit in the top corners of the goal goes in.
The People's Hero Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 In terms of saves, I'd estimate around 15% Missed/Saved combined is probably around 30%ish as suggested.
Raj Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 If Fulop cant save Penos he should be replaced by someone who can. Crap goalie!!!
WetFlannel Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 Much lower than 33% Everything that gets hit in the top corners of the goal goes in. thats what i suggested... its why i dont see why every modern penalty taker just does some peeroller i.e heidar helguson or yakubu... when they could just hit it top corner like muntari or barry?
Bert Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 thats what i suggested... its why i dont see why every modern penalty taker just does some peeroller i.e heidar helguson or yakubu... when they could just hit it top corner like muntari or barry? Because everyone has different techniques. Barry got found out last season against us in the cup.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 13 December 2007 Posted 13 December 2007 Marton Fulop is a class goalkeeper, its only his kicking that prevents him being labelled top class IMO True - but distrubtion is something a lot of managers look at in a goalkeeper. Mind you he surely scored against West Brom - I didn't see a touch from Hume? On each occasion he has dived, anticipating the direction of the kick, way too early Being a keeper myself - I found I did this too. Sometimes it's too easy to give away what you're going to do. I gave up on guessing - at my level you don't have video tape so I just stand and watch - works better in my opinion, and if some prat does try to dink it down the middle they look stupid not you.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 13 December 2007 Posted 13 December 2007 How do you make that out? A goal isn't two-dimensional, and even if it were, wouldn't it be 33% (Right, left and centre)? 50 % chance - they score, they don't score - two options! = 50% chance I guess?
Bryn Posted 13 December 2007 Posted 13 December 2007 50 % chance - they score, they don't score - two options! = 50% chance I guess? It's arguable that the chances of one option are more likely than the other though.
dog_4 Posted 13 December 2007 Posted 13 December 2007 saving penalties is pretty easy. I used to be a keeper and saved 3/4 out of 5, my technique was to stand tall and dive just after the ball has left the strikers boot, worked a treat. I wouldn't have a go at fulop, petre cech is probably the worst gk at pens, yet one of the best keepers in the world. He dives to flat.
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 December 2007 Posted 15 December 2007 I think you owe Fulop an apology *COUGH* BBC said it hit the post *COUGH*
WetFlannel Posted 15 December 2007 Posted 15 December 2007 *COUGH* BBC said it hit the post *COUGH* he put him off
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