Holloway the right man for the job?

[onetruefox]

Something Ollie might say..A tree has to have time to spread its roots before in can produce fruit.If you keep chopping it down it will never produce any fruit..

C'mon Leicester

[Filberts lovechild]

What do some Leicester fans want?

Jose Mourinho as manager?

Thierry Henry as our star striker?

Ronaldinho as the guy to provide goals and class?

Us to win every game 7-0 with Carl Cort?

When the hell will some fans wake up and realize we get what we can get, we ain't a superpower we will NEVER be a superpower, i wish some of these fools as fans will just buck there ideas up abit and just back whoever is in charge, give them time and let them be judged on who they sign and don't fooking moan about who it is either, because i don't think it can get any worse with what we have at the moment!

Holloway needs at least a full year to establish his total mark on this football club, he is using other managers players and most of them are just not good enough, or are being drowned out by the total crap they play alongside..

I saw some people saying judge Holloway in February? FEBRUARY? are you having a laugh? what one month of potential new signings and we are gonna just all of a sudden win the league/get play-offs? do you think he will bulid something in a month to make us a good CCC side? don't be so stupid..!! Like i said before judge him totally in a year..he needs the time to bulid something here and i am confident he can, he must have something about him look what he did at QPR and Plymouth..he needs time when are some of you gonna realize that?

Ollie has recognized our problems and now we need to get behind him and his future NEW team, he will get the players he needs in and i am confident we can slowly move up the table, but write this season off, Ollie needs to just bulid from Jan and bulid on results that will hopefully push up to a 12th/14th finishing position and then in the summer bulid some more and go full steam next season, that from my knowledge is EXACTLY what he did at Plymouth and he will have a hell of alot more money to spend here..

Some people may have questioned some of his tactics, decisions..well he's playing with what he has, have you ever thought he is simply just looking at IF there's any diamonds in the rough (which there isn't) and trying to play tactics to how he thinks the players may respond more to, yes they may not be working but i believe that goes hand in hand with the players he has, so when he gets better players in we should see the results pan out better!

Also what pisses me off is some of the petty comments i have seen around places about him having a column, releasing a book, etc..ummm so bloody what? i mean Jesus H Christ, them comments i have seen are just pettyness in the highest order, i am just waiting for people to say his heart isn't in management or he's just wanting to become a star instead, etc, etc..OH WAIT! hasn't that already started?

Yes i was quite a happy fan when Ollie was announced as manager as i took notice of what he had achieved with other clubs and i believe he can better it here but he needs TIME! to get everything right, remember Ollie will also learn more about himself in that time aswell!

I believe time is always needed, you need a good year to put your full mark on things, i judge managers after a year and who they sign/what they do, i gave Levein the chance, Kelly and even Megson would have got my time because that is what you need time, there is no quick fix no more i believe, time is needed and with Ollie i believe time will reap it's rewards

Couldn't agree more with the above! Brining Ollie in at the moment is like putting a silk hat on a pig, he's a good manager with a load of crap players at the moment! Give him time, minimum a year, then maybe look at it! I can't stand bloody moaners

[Ajax Treesdown]

GET OFF OLLIES BACK!!!!

He has only had a handful of games and not bought anyone yet.

If you want to blame someone, blame Milan or more importantly MARTIN ALLEN!!!

Martin Allen's signings were abysmal.

I BACK HOLLOWAY!!

[Bluemoon]

Couldn't agree more with the above! Brining Ollie in at the moment is like putting a silk hat on a pig, he's a good manager with a load of crap players at the moment! Give him time, minimum a year, then maybe look at it! I can't stand bloody moaners

A good manager brings the best out of the players he's got. Smegson did better than Holloway. I wish he'd stop blaming everyone but himself. This does not look good for the future

[Bluemoon]

How on earth can you see that five weeks is enough of a chance? By previous guys I hope you just mean Megson because he is the only one who you can draw a direct comparison to. Martin Allen was using Martin Allen's squad (sorry for the Micky Adams-esque style) which Megson and now Holloway have tried to make the best out of and both have struggled - but even Megson didn't have enough of a chance to turn things around. Let him have his chance to bring players in at the very least and if we're still shite, then yes - maybe just maybe he isn't the man for us but even three/four months isn't really long enough to judge a manager.

The fact of the matter is, he has done wonders at a club like Plymouth given the time to do it - and we have a substantially worse squad than them proven by our relative league performances over the past few seasons.

In terms of your comments about criticising the players in public - I kind of agree but he's trying something different to get the players motivated. We've tried the softly softly approach, the lets be their best friend approach and they have both failed to yield results, so maybe a kick up the backside in public to make them response is the only way left.

I'll personally give him as much time as he wants as he has proven he can do a very decent job with a smaller club (not team for all you invading PAFC fans) at this level. If we end up in the slums of League One or are still battling relegation in the Championship in a season or two time, then I'll admit I was wrong but I don't think I would be.

with all due respect, I think you'll find it was Tony Pullis who turned Plymouth around and now look what he's doing at Stoke. Never liked the guy's defensive attitude to football, but he obviously knows his stuff.

I remember someone on here weeks ago stating that Holloways best attribute was his morale boosting capabilities. The trouble is noone believes him anymore after the debacle of the last couple of months. It feels as if his best asset has left him

Just speaking how I see it

[mutternutter]

I don't as a rule like to pass an opinion on players or managers, but on this occasion I will. Holloway is a fake and will only bring shame on our club. He misled the fans of Plymouth to such an extent that they despise him and he is starting the same process here. In Plymouth(my sisiter lives there) he has become a figure of hatred and fun at the same time. The clown has 1 promotion and 1 relegation in 12 years of being a manager.

[meadwell5]

This thred and all others about ollie being the wrong man for the job etc should be closed. Its because people being negative as to y were in this position. how can any man come into a team that is poor with injurys also and turn it around. he is proven at making teams who r average good and he needs time. 6-7 matches is a short time in football. this season is over and we all need to be patient and give ollie till christmas next year.

this just winds me up

[Father Ted]

This thred and all others about ollie being the wrong man for the job etc should be closed. Its because people being negative as to y were in this position. how can any man come into a team that is poor with injurys also and turn it around. he is proven at making teams who r average good and he needs time. 6-7 matches is a short time in football. this season is over and we all need to be patient and give ollie till christmas next year.

this just winds me up

I disagree. I think they should stay. There is a reason why this is called a forum, to bring up topics and discuss them. TBH I am not a keen follower of Holloway, in fact I think that he is a **** but if he can do his job then well played to the man. If not and he is to busy sucking up to the media then he can **** himself.

[davieG]

This thred and all others about ollie being the wrong man for the job etc should be closed. Its because people being negative as to y were in this position. how can any man come into a team that is poor with injurys also and turn it around. he is proven at making teams who r average good and he needs time. 6-7 matches is a short time in football. this season is over and we all need to be patient and give ollie till christmas next year.

this just winds me up

Behave, you may not like topics like this but they stimulate debate, on the whole passionate and intelligent debate and allows people to vent their frustrations. People being negative on here has nothing to do with our position in the league that is down to MM, the Manager and the team, if the these people are unhappy to receive criticism the answers in their own hands.

[Babylon]

Remember we have the best academy in the country and players that all the other championship teams would love in there squads

Do we really have that many players other teams want? We have about 5 players other teams would want, and they would probably only end up being squad players for their new club.

Our major problem as fans is that many of us seem to think the players we have are better than they actually our. You champion players like Hume and Kaebi for no good reason. From what I can see, only clemence has regularly performed well above where we currently are in the league (and he's under performing currently). All the others are either past their best, have never been good enough, from lower divisions or were not regular starters for teams higher up.

We have a team made up of players brought in by 3 different managers, with no confidence and probably no desire to perform for this club because of what has gone on. If I was them i'd want to get out of this club as soon as possible.

I'm sick to death of the complete morons like YOU!!!! Who call for a managers head after a few games, it's because of people like you that this club will struggle to get out of the mess it's in. We need time and stability, a manager to come in and build a new team of his own men that want to play for him and this club. What we don't need is to change manager every 10 games because we haven't had an instant turn around.

[Manwell Pablo]

I have alot to say on this subject but my browser keeps crashing. So it will have to wait until later, in short Babylon is pretty much bang on.

Also not taking away last years Premier league win from the Academy boys but they had by far the oldest squad competing in the competition, mainly due to the fact that we had no reserve side.

[coale39]

Do we really have that many players other teams want? We have about 5 players other teams would want, and they would probably only end up being squad players for their new club.

Our major problem as fans is that many of us seem to think the players we have are better than they actually our. You champion players like Hume and Kaebi for no good reason. From what I can see, only clemence has regularly performed well above where we currently are in the league (and he's under performing currently). All the others are either past their best, have never been good enough, from lower divisions or were not regular starters for teams higher up.

We have a team made up of players brought in by 3 different managers, with no confidence and probably no desire to perform for this club because of what has gone on. If I was them i'd want to get out of this club as soon as possible.

I'm sick to death of the complete morons like YOU!!!! Who call for a managers head after a few games, it's because of people like you that this club will struggle to get out of the mess it's in. We need time and stability, a manager to come in and build a new team of his own men that want to play for him and this club. What we don't need is to change manager every 10 games because we haven't had an instant turn around.

Spot on

Please let this be end of discussion.

[Thracian]

I have alot to say on this subject but my browser keeps crashing. So it will have to wait until later, in short Babylon is pretty much bang on.

Also not taking away last years Premier league win from the Academy boys but they had by far the oldest squad competing in the competition, mainly due to the fact that we had no reserve side.

I can' t believe you're still taking that tack. City's Academy were runners-up in the Academy League the year before as you are well aware and hauled back a massive deficit between Christmas and the end of that season to the effect that, had the League gone on another match or two, they'd had probably over taken Villa.

Secondly, older or younger, Arsenal have a far greater choice of potential young players and to beat them in the semi-final was absolutely outstanding, especially away from home.

I didn't see that game so cannot comment on the age/experience of the London side but I did see the Sunderland final and their side looked considerably bigger and strong than Leicester's whether they were younger or not. Leicester won at the Stadium of Light in front of several thousand sunderland supporters and just eight or 10 Leicester fans pluys a bus load of parents.

They did so not because they were older or because of any other advantage but because they started well and then dug in when Sunderland applied constant pressure in the second half. It was by far the best achievement of any Leicester team for years and doesn't deserve to be so dismissively and cheaply devalued.

I wonder if Leicester City's first team ever wins the League Cup again if you will suggest the side only did so because they were older or more experienced that some of their opponents. Or perhaps because we had a "more valuable" side than the opposition.

[mutternutter]

Sack Holloway now and get a proper manager in place before January.

[Manwell Pablo]

I can' t believe you're still taking that tack. City's Academy were runners-up in the Academy League the year before as you are well aware and hauled back a massive deficit between Christmas and the end of that season to the effect that, had the League gone on another match or two, they'd had probably over taken Villa.

Secondly, older or younger, Arsenal have a far greater choice of potential young players and to beat them in the semi-final was absolutely outstanding, especially away from home.

I didn't see that game so cannot comment on the age/experience of the London side but I did see the Sunderland final and their side looked considerably bigger and strong than Leicester's whether they were younger or not. Leicester won at the Stadium of Light in front of several thousand sunderland supporters and just eight or 10 Leicester fans pluys a bus load of parents.

They did so not because they were older or because of any other advantage but because they started well and then dug in when Sunderland applied constant pressure in the second half. It was by far the best achievement of any Leicester team for years and doesn't deserve to be so dismissively and cheaply devalued.

I wonder if Leicester City's first team ever wins the League Cup again if you will suggest the side only did so because they were older or more experienced that some of their opponents. Or perhaps because we had a "more valuable" side than the opposition.

Say what you want in whatever drawn out way you want it, they had the oldest squad in the competition and it makes a difference. and it's as a response to the "we have the best academy in the country" arguement, which we don't, not attempting to devalue the academys achivements last year.

If our academy is so good why it that the last player we produced that was good enough to play at a half decent level in this league (never mind the Premier League) was Emile Heskey.

A couple of the the young lads coming through hopefully will get better and I really am hoping Gradel comes back and sets this division alight next year (as much as I think thats very optomstic) but someone of them need to start to improve drastically as they're getting to the age where being young will no longer be a plausible excuse for having massive gaps in their game.

[Babylon]

Sack Holloway now and get a proper manager in place before January.

a manager who once again will be stuck with players who have failed for the previous 3 seasons... brilliant idea, absolutely brilliant.

[eaststandtom]

I will say definately not,hes doing a very poor job and his selections and tactics are very poor!

Looks like we are stuck with another deadwood manager on a long contract!

wenger couldnt do a job with this shower we have especially not within 3 weeks!!!

madness!

time

3 year plan

we aren't real madrid!!!

etc etc

all our current players are not upto it! simple. not the manager

[oggie]

Not sure about this myself, I think leicester need a motivator to get the best out of a poor squad, someone like Ian Holloway would be my choice but if he's not available you have to pick the best of what you can get.

Ahem

[richy2704]

I think with a decent squad who are attack minded Holloway is a good manager, however you aint got either of these.

Soz but you have said it yourselves that you have a shower of sh*t for a team, cant stand the bloke but for club exposure(good/bad and cringeworthy) he is second to none.

[mutternutter]

Sack the loud mouth. Ollie out

[richy2704]

Now if I come on your site and say that, as a Plymouth fan I will get crucified, sour grapes, childish and whatever other names you keep calling us Plymouth fans.

However I agree you should sack him and get someone in before its to late in the season, if you were to get relegated do you really beleive MM will stick around?

Cant wait untill February so we can say a proper goodbye to Mr Holloway, funny he never said his goodbyes properly(how rude) although I dont think he will still be there.

[WetFlannel]

Now if I come on your site and say that, as a Plymouth fan I will get crucified, sour grapes, childish and whatever other names you keep calling us Plymouth fans.

However I agree you should sack him and get someone in before its to late in the season, if you were to get relegated do you really beleive MM will stick around?

Cant wait untill February so we can say a proper goodbye to Mr Holloway, funny he never said his goodbyes properly(how rude) although I dont think he will still be there.

We do appreciate the plymouth fans who come on here, just as long as they offer some half decent views... plus you get the occasional leicester fan who lacks common sense

[Thracian]

Say what you want in whatever drawn out way you want it, they had the oldest squad in the competition and it makes a difference. and it's as a response to the "we have the best academy in the country" arguement, which we don't, not attempting to devalue the academys achivements last year.

If our academy is so good why it that the last player we produced that was good enough to play at a half decent level in this league (never mind the Premier League) was Emile Heskey.

A couple of the the young lads coming through hopefully will get better and I really am hoping Gradel comes back and sets this division alight next year (as much as I think thats very optomstic) but someone of them need to start to improve drastically as they're getting to the age where being young will no longer be a plausible excuse for having massive gaps in their game.

No-one would claim we have the best Academy on a week by week basis - how could we expect to have?. Furthermore no-one, especially me, has ever claimed ANY of our Academy players is anything other than better than City players in their position.

All of our young players are having their troubles on one sort and another in the present constantly disrupted set-up.

The seniors that were promised to "help them develop" have not materialised and those seniors that have been signed have shown only spasmodic form at best, apart from Fulop and that really isn't what was wanted or expected.

Individually all our young first teamers have fully justified their inclusion up to now. But collectively it has meant too many youngsters playing at the same time - without the benefit of help from in-form seniors.

Even yesterday - a diabolical team display - the two goals we conceded came because our knowingly slow senior centre-back, McAuley, let Folan run clear of him without a challenge and then another of our most senior players decided to inexplicably dribble his way out of a "last man" situation.

[richy2704]

Thank you Mr Flannel, answer me this being if you were impartial and looking at some of the managers available at the time and IH record(1 promotion and 1 relegation) would he have been your choice.

when he managed us we looked good when leading but generally we always looked like we were about to concede a goal, and he was funny to watch in interviews but only as someone elses manager.

Really looking forward to Feb but I really think if you lose two out of your next three you may need to ask Santa for a new manager.

[ithuriel]

must admit i never wanted oli here when he was at QPR or Plymouth and unfortunately things are going worse than when smegson was here. milan may be a shrewd business man but he seems to be a poor judge when it comes to managers