placidcasual Posted 1 February 2008 Posted 1 February 2008 .................and your point is?I'm no fan of McCain or Huckabee. I was just making the point that if Obama gets the Democratic vote the Republicans will play on his inexperience as a politician and may well go on to win the election. My point is that Huckabee has as much experience on the world stage as Obama. Romney has none either. What experience did Bush II or Clinton have on the world stage? And I must have missed your point about the GOP playing on his inexperience. Can you point out where you did? Obama will get crucified on the international stage.He has no credentials whatsoever to take charge of a world superpower and if he's selected to be the Democratic candidate the American people will eventually see the light and vote for McCain or Huckabee. If Clinton wins on Tuesday they may vote for her as president and I get the feeling she may do a decent job. I was a fan of Bill Clinton not so much Hilary though so I'm indifferent as to whether she gets the top job.
Daggers Posted 1 February 2008 Posted 1 February 2008 I can not muster the interest to spectate a process where only the richest get to play and the final winner doesn't even need to poll the most votes. Not only that - but being pretty thick is not a bar to joining the game. I find it all rather distasteful.
Smiffy Posted 1 February 2008 Posted 1 February 2008 Probably not and I think that will be devisive. He has kept it a non-racial campaign and done very well with it. He is pulling in the black vote, younger vote and the vote of the "more educated" democrats (whatever that means). Clinton is getting the majority of the latino votes.
Ultra Posted 2 February 2008 Posted 2 February 2008 He has kept it a non-racial campaign and done very well with it. He is pulling in the black vote, younger vote and the vote of the "more educated" democrats (whatever that means). Clinton is getting the majority of the latino votes. Much as I support what Obama represents, I don't think he'll make it to the White House. The Republicans will play the race card for all it's worth - and in the states that's far too much. There's also the chance he'll be taken out by one of the country's many armed redneck lunatics well before the November polling day. Hillary Clinton is also loathed by the Republicans, even though she flip-flops on issues and was actually a Republican herself before she met Bill. So as long as John McCain can overcome the religious zealots in his party, he'll be a strong contender for President.
Smiffy Posted 2 February 2008 Posted 2 February 2008 Much as I support what Obama represents, I don't think he'll make it to the White House. The Republicans will play the race card for all it's worth - and in the states that's far too much. How's that, exactly? They haven't so far and the second they did they'd have Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson so far up their rears they could see what they had for breakfast...not to mention they wouldn't stand a chance in the election. I'm not defending republicans I just dont see where you're coming from. I know that being a middle class white male I don't see racial conflict nearly as much as some people, but I just dont see race playing that big a part in this election.
Ultra Posted 3 February 2008 Posted 3 February 2008 The two figures you mention are largely peripheral among the USA as a whole - and certainly far less influential than the likes of Rush Limbaugh or Fox News. You also need to ask yourself why Obama is the only non-white member of the Senate. Apart from him, historically VERY few black politicians have been elected to represent areas with a white-majority population. The ease with which people like Strom Thurmond (a name you may have heard of) could secure and retain public office illustrates the battle Obama has to face.
Smiffy Posted 4 February 2008 Posted 4 February 2008 I disagree. Sharpton and Jackson get involved in everything race related and always seem to come out on top. Lawsuits seem to follow them around and nobody wants to fight because of the shit left in their wake. There is a reason that there is currently nobody like Strom Thurmond in office. Its his type that is just not electable anymore. But the bigger picture is that states like South Carolina (Stroms state) where you still may see some racial divide in the backwoods areas only has a total of 20 delegates. Its the more liberal states like Cali and NY that have 123 and 76 delegates where Obama could/should win it. The stereotypically "redneck" states shouldn't play that big a part...I think.
Ultra Posted 4 February 2008 Posted 4 February 2008 I disagree. Sharpton and Jackson get involved in everything race related and always seem to come out on top. Lawsuits seem to follow them around and nobody wants to fight because of the shit left in their wake. There is a reason that there is currently nobody like Strom Thurmond in office. Its his type that is just not electable anymore. But the bigger picture is that states like South Carolina (Stroms state) where you still may see some racial divide in the backwoods areas only has a total of 20 delegates. Its the more liberal states like Cali and NY that have 123 and 76 delegates where Obama could/should win it. The stereotypically "redneck" states shouldn't play that big a part...I think. I didn't mean Obama couldn't win the nomination, although we'll know more after tomorrow. I think he would struggle among the whole electorate, especially in the south.
Geo V Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 Chris Rock summed it up with one of his jokes suggesting that George Bush fooked things up so much that their only two choices for President were a woman and a Black man I`d love to see Obama win it but I cant help but think that the racists wouldn't want him in and this vote will be divided between whites and blacks although Obama will get a few more white votes thanks to Oprah Winfrey It should be interesting but America needs some change and it needs to get away from family members of former presidents and actors.
FilboFox Posted 6 February 2008 Posted 6 February 2008 COME ON HILLARY! Obama is annoying me... at first it was interesting but now its Obama this, Obama that... its just annoying...thats why I'd vote for Hillary...
Jordan Posted 6 February 2008 Posted 6 February 2008 Obama is annoying me... at first it was interesting but now its Obama this, Obama that... its just annoying...thats why I'd vote for Hillary... ...now you know how I've felt ever since Hillary all of a sudden decided to become a New Yorker, move to my county and become my state's junior senator (but seriously, I'm pulling for Obama to win the Democratic nomination) So far, Obama's keeping his momentum going and his race with Hill is not going to be decided tonight. Hill will take more delegates in California because about half of those who voted in that state's primary did so earlier by mail, and it wasn't until the last week when Obama started gaining ground--might be too little, too late, but overall, this race is neck-and-neck. Super Tuesday has all but confirmed that McCain is going to roll to the Republican nomination... but Arkansas Governor/Baptist minister Mike Huckabee's strong performances in the Southern state primaries/caucuses shows that social values are not dead to many conservative voters. He's positioning himself nicely for a role in the McCain campaign, possibly even as his running mate. I enjoy following politics, but I also enjoy the races and election days. Many criticize the "horse race" nature of American elections and how the media covers them, but it's almost like a sports contest to me! I don't know if the way this is going will have a slight negative effect on McCain. With the Republican race looking like it's over, he can focus on the big prize, start looking at his VP shortlist and really get his campaign organized... but Clinton and Obama will continue to battle and take most of the media's attention.
LeeCovFox Posted 6 February 2008 Posted 6 February 2008 I've watched some of the coverage tonight, and I was struck by how poor Hillary Clinton's oratory skills were. I really wasn't impressed. Event though all of the contender's speeches are very, very constructed, Hillary appeared too wooden, as though she was reading directly from a script. McCain and Obama both looked at least as though they were speaking slighly off the cuff, although all of it cam across as pretty cynical to me. Thank god in this country we vote for a party rather than a personality so that we have a broader base of voices to listen to.
Hullfox Posted 6 February 2008 Posted 6 February 2008 I've watched some of the coverage tonight, and I was struck by how poor Hillary Clinton's oratory skills were. I really wasn't impressed. Event though all of the contender's speeches are very, very constructed, Hillary appeared too wooden, as though she was reading directly from a script. McCain and Obama both looked at least as though they were speaking slighly off the cuff, although all of it cam across as pretty cynical to me. Thank god in this country we vote for a party rather than a personality so that we have a broader base of voices to listen to. If Hillary is bad orally, no wonder Bill strayed.
LeeCovFox Posted 6 February 2008 Posted 6 February 2008 If Hillary is bad orally, no wonder Bill strayed. Oh dear. Hillary though, would you or wouldn't you? I'd be tempted jsut for the sake of a big media payday. I'd skilfully avoid the assassination attempts of course.
Dr The Singh Posted 6 February 2008 Posted 6 February 2008 If Hillary is bad orally, no wonder Bill strayed.
breadandcheese Posted 6 February 2008 Posted 6 February 2008 Oh dear. Hillary though, would you or wouldn't you? I'd be tempted jsut for the sake of a big media payday. I'd skilfully avoid the assassination attempts of course. Ah, politics. Why doesn't David Dimbleby ask these sorts of questions on Question Time?
Koke Posted 7 February 2008 Author Posted 7 February 2008 Chris Rock summed it up with one of his jokes suggesting that George Bush fooked things up so much that their only two choices for President were a woman and a Black man I`d love to see Obama win it but I cant help but think that the racists wouldn't want him in and this vote will be divided between whites and blacks although Obama will get a few more white votes thanks to Oprah Winfrey It should be interesting but America needs some change and it needs to get away from family members of former presidents and actors. I can just imagine the republicans shitting themselves at the prospect of a woman or a black guy in The White House. Obama is doing very well against the Clinton PR machine.
purpleronnie Posted 7 February 2008 Posted 7 February 2008 I love all the mudslinging in US politics, have you seen some of the TV ad's they have over there?, you would never get away with it in britain.
Koke Posted 22 February 2008 Author Posted 22 February 2008 Democratic Debate in Texas late last night (UK time). I watched it again this morning as it was on repeat. Hilary Clinton got her arse handed to her on a plate to by Obama. He smacked her around like she was his bitch. And can some of our American friends on this board explain why most Americans despise universal health care so much?
Darkzzz_ Posted 22 February 2008 Posted 22 February 2008 Bout time that country was led by a black man!! I can say a reverse of fortunes for the Black Panther Club...
Webbo Posted 22 February 2008 Posted 22 February 2008 Hilary Clinton got her arse handed to her on a plate to by Obama. He smacked her around like she was his bitch. Thank you for that insightful political analysis Mr Dimbleby.
Jordan Posted 22 February 2008 Posted 22 February 2008 Democratic Debate in Texas late last night (UK time). I watched it again this morning as it was on repeat.Hilary Clinton got her arse handed to her on a plate to by Obama. He smacked her around like she was his bitch. And can some of our American friends on this board explain why most Americans despise universal health care so much? To put it simply, 1) Higher taxes. 2) Nobody wants to pay for other persons' health care. 3) Government is inefficient and administration and innovation is best left to private enterprise. 4) S*******m is a dirty word here. 5) It's not necessary. I don't particularly agree with that side of the argument, although 3) and some aspects of 5) make some sense.
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