Bluemoon Posted 4 February 2008 Posted 4 February 2008 Obviously not in your book - but seeing as the thick ****ers won't realise they're being patronised that'll be ok Charming. No wonder the Walkers has a bad feel about it these days. You , of course, are above being patronised.
Thracian Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 Bit unfair cos you aren't taking into consideration when he came in and all the mess he inherited. Had Paul Ince come in, we'd be in this exact position, if not worse. And if you use promotions, stats etc to judge Ollie as a manager, then its a bit ironic that you then say you prefer Paul Ince who has f-all experience and credibility as a manager. And also, Ince is doing good but in what division again? I didn't ask anyone to list Holloway's managerial promotions in the Championship or better. Just list whatever he's achieved at any level as a manager. Seems to me that Ince has done all he could so far as a manager so far and I've no idea how you'd reason an argument that Ince would have us in the same position or worse if he'd come here. There's no evidence for that at all cos I damned sure he wouldn't have signed some of the Wally's and misfits we've had around this season.
Thracian Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 "Your preferred choice was for us to get relegated and Beaglehole to take over, to blood more kids in so they can sink quicker than Rik waller in the Pacific, wearing cement shoes. Are you sure you're allowed to drink on shift. :D
Geo V Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 Thats the problem or even a good thing about this site, whatever one writes can be recalled and thrown in someones face Im still waiting for Capello to play Heskey in Central defence
Jimmy Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 Thats the problem or even a good thing about this site, whatever one writes can be recalled and thrown in someones face Im still waiting for Capello to play Heskey in Central defence haven't you heard, the only reason he hasn't announced his permanent captain is because his new star defender Heskey had to pull out injured ...
Thracian Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 Thats the problem or even a good thing about this site, whatever one writes can be recalled and thrown in someones face Im still waiting for Capello to play Heskey in Central defence You saying he'd be no good there? Big, strong, fast, mobile, wins headers, reads the game, passes well, capable of joining the attack at set pieces and when a team is going all out for a goal. Yes please. Good as an attacker too because of the weight he takes off others and his ability to bring people into play but basically not a natural goalscorer and gets injured to often up there. I don't really give a toss what Capello does.
Geo V Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 You saying he'd be no good there? Big, strong, fast, mobile, wins headers, reads the game, passes well, capable of joining the attack at set pieces and when a team is going all out for a goal. Yes please.Good as an attacker too because of the weight he takes off others and his ability to bring people into play but basically not a natural goalscorer and gets injured to often up there. I don't really give a toss what Capello does. Oh no Ive unleashed the beast of Heskey at CB!! BTW, are you not English? If you are then surely you do care what Capello does or are you anti-England`s National team because a dirty foreigner is in place?
The Reverend Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 You saying he'd be no good there? Big, strong, fast, mobile, wins headers, reads the game, passes well, is a donkey, capable of joining the attack at set pieces and when a team is going all out for a goal. Yes please.Good as an attacker too because of the weight he takes off others and his ability to bring people into play but basically not a natural goalscorer and gets injured to often up there. I don't really give a toss what Capello does. He'd fit perfectly into England or Leicesters defence at the minute.
Babylon Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 If it was up to Thracian it would be a Heskey, Chris O'Grady centre back partnership.
Jimmy Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 If it was up to Thracian it would be a Heskey, Chris O'Grady centre back partnership. don't be silly, Matt Heath and Heskey, Co'G upfront
Bluemoon Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 If it was up to Thracian it would be a Heskey, Chris O'Grady centre back partnership. If it was up to you Babylon, the Walkers would be a Hammond/Holloway joke shop.
Babylon Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 If it was up to you Babylon, the Walkers would be a Hammond/Holloway joke shop. What the hell are you on about Mr Miserable MkII?
Bluemoon Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 What the hell are you on about Mr Miserable MkII? It's your signature, not mine
Hugo Sanchez Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 Just wish we had waited for Billy Davies to get sacked. He has a track record in this league 100 times better then Holloway. I remember when Levein got sacked and everyone was saying how much they didn't want Holloway and how much they hated his style of football ... A funny old world.
Thracian Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 don't be silly, Matt Heath and Heskey, Co'G upfront Where the hell did Heath come from?
Jimmy Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 our academy, therefore you must think he is the dogs bollocks ...
Thracian Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 our academy, therefore you must think he is the dogs bollocks ... I wouldn't dream of listing Academy players I don't rate as potential Football League professionals but it would quite extensive. Rest assured I've never been a big fan of Matt Heath although some would say he's done okay.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 6 February 2008 Posted 6 February 2008 There is obviously an element of luck involved when you just throw players on totally out of position and start to dominate, and however well we dominated we lost.Just play players in the right positions and ill be happy. I don't see Wenger, Ferguson, Redknapp, Grant playing anyone out of position, so why is Ollie doing it? Don't know if anyone else picked this part out to challenge you on - couldn't be bothered to read through, but all of these managers have played players out of position at some stage in their management career. Ferguson - Ferdinand in midfield, John O'Shea everywhere, Rooney on the left or right wing (as well as for england), Giggs on the right or up top etc. Wenger - Walcott on the wing, Henry (who was a winger when he joined.) up front - and that went pretty well. Morinhio and Wenger - Gallas @ left back Redknapp - Utaka on the left wing, and potetnially a lot of other players out of position - but my mermory fails me. Grant - the wing / strikers roles as adopted by Moriniho - these are not classic positions in old terms, so you could say these players are playing out of position. Sometimes a manager has to decide - play someone who he trusts and rates out of position or play someone who's not up to. Remember the term 'utility player' - the lower leagues are full of them. I think Chambers can now be called a Utility Man. It's not the ollie doesn't know where people play, he'd just rather have someone in a position that he knows and trusts and plays the way he wants. He's shown he is trying to rectify the positions we had no players or no-one decent to play in. But in truth, the transfer window was always going to be difficult to sort out all of the mess we were in, and some of us have been hood winked by a couple of wins on the bounce in thinking we're going to go up. Lets face it, there's still a lot to do, it won't be a quick fix as we hoped - our squad is still fragile if you consider an injurie to a key player leaves us fooked. The Blackpool result was disapointing, but Ollie was equally disapointed with the result. Lets hope for a reaction this week so we can start getting the Walkers to become a fortress (again???)
maddog Posted 6 February 2008 Author Posted 6 February 2008 Don't know if anyone else picked this part out to challenge you on - couldn't be bothered to read through, but all of these managers have played players out of position at some stage in their management career.Ferguson - Ferdinand in midfield, John O'Shea everywhere, Rooney on the left or right wing (as well as for england), Giggs on the right or up top etc. Wenger - Walcott on the wing, Henry (who was a winger when he joined.) up front - and that went pretty well. Morinhio and Wenger - Gallas @ left back Redknapp - Utaka on the left wing, and potetnially a lot of other players out of position - but my mermory fails me. Grant - the wing / strikers roles as adopted by Moriniho - these are not classic positions in old terms, so you could say these players are playing out of position. Sometimes a manager has to decide - play someone who he trusts and rates out of position or play someone who's not up to. Remember the term 'utility player' - the lower leagues are full of them. I think Chambers can now be called a Utility Man. It's not the ollie doesn't know where people play, he'd just rather have someone in a position that he knows and trusts and plays the way he wants. He's shown he is trying to rectify the positions we had no players or no-one decent to play in. But in truth, the transfer window was always going to be difficult to sort out all of the mess we were in, and some of us have been hood winked by a couple of wins on the bounce in thinking we're going to go up. Lets face it, there's still a lot to do, it won't be a quick fix as we hoped - our squad is still fragile if you consider an injurie to a key player leaves us fooked. The Blackpool result was disapointing, but Ollie was equally disapointed with the result. Lets hope for a reaction this week so we can start getting the Walkers to become a fortress (again???) Ive calmed down from my huge disappointment as a passionate Leicester fan, i may be fooked off a few hours after defeats and saying relegation and moaning at Ollie for players out of position. And after a win i may be so pleased that i start talking about the playoffs. Ferdinand, O shea, Walcott Ronney etc are all of a much higher quality as Iain Hume so could play just as well in any position. I still question Ollie, Hume obviously isn't as good as them and isn't a right winger. Also those players have only been in those positions when they have to and when the teams have had 4 or 5 injuries, not when a player playing well like Bori is sitting on the bench. I don't think players of mediocre Championship class like our players, except Mattock, we never have a player in the top 3 goalscorers for the season, or assists etc so they are mediocre in my eyes, none of our players are good enough to play well in other positions except their own.
Bluemoon Posted 6 February 2008 Posted 6 February 2008 Don't know if anyone else picked this part out to challenge you on - couldn't be bothered to read through, but all of these managers have played players out of position at some stage in their management career.Ferguson - Ferdinand in midfield, John O'Shea everywhere, Rooney on the left or right wing (as well as for england), Giggs on the right or up top etc. Wenger - Walcott on the wing, Henry (who was a winger when he joined.) up front - and that went pretty well. Morinhio and Wenger - Gallas @ left back Redknapp - Utaka on the left wing, and potetnially a lot of other players out of position - but my mermory fails me. Grant - the wing / strikers roles as adopted by Moriniho - these are not classic positions in old terms, so you could say these players are playing out of position. Sometimes a manager has to decide - play someone who he trusts and rates out of position or play someone who's not up to. Remember the term 'utility player' - the lower leagues are full of them. I think Chambers can now be called a Utility Man. It's not that ollie doesn't know where people play, he'd just rather have someone in a position that he knows and trusts and plays the way he wants. He's shown he is trying to rectify the positions we had no players or no-one decent to play in. But in truth, the transfer window was always going to be difficult to sort out all of the mess we were in, and some of us have been hood winked by a couple of wins on the bounce in thinking we're going to go up. Lets face it, there's still a lot to do, it won't be a quick fix as we hoped - our squad is still fragile if you consider an injurie to a key player leaves us fooked. The Blackpool result was disapointing, but Ollie was equally disapointed with the result. Lets hope for a reaction this week so we can start getting the Walkers to become a fortress (again???) I agree with this post. Holloway is trying to play a shape and is asking people to play in certain positions, even if it is not their best. All the best managers have been able to change a player for the better by playing him in a different position. The most celebrated ( by some ) was Clough's changing of his centr forward to centre back. Whatever people think of Forr*st, Burns was brilliant at CB. Unfortunately Holloway is not Clough, and in my opinion will never hold a candle, but at least he's trying.
Thracian Posted 7 February 2008 Posted 7 February 2008 I agree with this post. Holloway is trying to play a shape and is asking people to play in certain positions, even if it is not their best. All the best managers have been able to change a player for the better by playing him in a different position. The most celebrated ( by some ) was Clough's changing of his centr forward to centre back. Whatever people think of Forr*st, Burns was brilliant at CB.Unfortunately Holloway is not Clough, and in my opinion will never hold a candle, but at least he's trying. That's excellent recollection and reminds me of my idea for playing Heskey at centre-back! Unfortunately, while Burns was indeed outstanding, Hume doesn't look at all like a winger, and James Chambers doesn't look like a left-back. What we're getting is not inspired managerial manoeuvering but make-do-and-mend which is totally different. Would that we could move the odd player around to devastating effect.
Daggers Posted 7 February 2008 Posted 7 February 2008 That's excellent recollection and reminds me of my idea for playing Heskey at centre-back! Unfortunately Thracian is not Clough, and in my opinion will never hold a candle, but at least he's trying.
Thracian Posted 7 February 2008 Posted 7 February 2008 "Unfortunately Thracian is not Clough." You're right - Cloughie was lucky he never had to face a team of mine! :D I wouldn't have minded playing him at squash beforehand either!
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