Ollie and his square pegs in round holes

[Bert]

He is a good young player yes, but surely you can see in recent weeks he has been exposed defensively, it's not the first time it's happened.

You might be right mate. If that's the case I hope Ollie doesn't carry it on for too much longer. I don't think he can argue to much that Hume has played well on the right. He said himself that he likes him up front with Howard.

Hayles has done well lately, but I'd rather see him coming off the bench as an impact player. For me, Howard needs a partner with pace.

That would be Hume or DJ.

I totally agree with that apart from what you say about Hayles being one of out best performers of late. He was shocking against Palace and scored the flukiest goal I've ever seen, the goal just about summing up his day. He is a useful part of the squad but my God he has no skill.

That's fair enough pal, i thought Hayles was one of our most positive players in the last 2 away games which is more where my point was based, i didn't think he did too bad on Monday night, but then again, i didn't think he was outstanding, just better than some others.

[Simi]

That would be Hume or DJ.

Seems obvious to me and you. Maybe not Holloway as yet.

A lot of people have doubts about DJ, so it would be nice to see him prove a few people wrong. (Ultra )

That's fair enough pal, i thought Hayles was one of our most positive players in the last 2 away games which is more where my point was based, i didn't think he did too bad on Monday night, but then again, i didn't think he was outstanding, just better than some others.

Hayles has done well, he does what he's asked to do. Nothing spectacular though.

[Bluemoon]

It has been said many times Holloway is not the brightest bulb in football regarding tactics. But at least he is trying people in different shaped holes to see if they can perform any better than in their "official" position. With our squad I don't think he has much option. Thank god he bought Howard - I don't think the manager will be mucking about with his position in the team, Good buy.

[Daggers]

It has been said many times Holloway is not the brightest bulb in football regarding tactics.

I don't believe that for a second - so you put all of his previous experience down to luck when it went well then? For ages we have berated managers for adopting a defensive outlook and yet when we put on an attacking line-up he is coping it again. The players shoulder the responsibility for not performing; He inherited one of the worst squads in football and has started to pull it around...this is not something that will happen over-night because the restructuring of the squad is not complete.

Supporters have to come to terms with a mid-table/sub mid-table finish and stop this nonsense talk of making the play-offs, Ollie needs to be given time with our collective support because the last thing we need is more upheaval and Mandaric has to understand that he is a long way from having finished spending.

[Maybes]

Hayles has done well, he does what he's asked to do. Nothing spectacular though.

I don't want spectacular. I just want good committed performances from our boys. Barry Hayles will always give you 100%. True professional.

[colbo68]

This is the reason why Leicester keep getting poor results.

Ollie is constantly moaning about having little options and players playing out of position. He gets some more options and carries on playing players totally out of position. What the hell is he doing? Anyold person would know that if a player is a right back you play him at right back, a striker, you play him up front. Ollie keeps moaning, and keeps being a hypocrit and playing players out of position, it's just baffling.

Hume was fantastic against Cov up front, his actual position, so what does Ollie do? Plays Hume right wing against Palace and he was fooking awful. We have other options now, Bori can play on both wings and was great when he came on against Palace, yet he just sits on the bench until the last 5 minutes today while Hayles and Hume play on the wings. It's just a joke

The biggest folly of Ollie's today though was left back. We have just signed the left back Clapham who was nowhere to be seen today and we obviously have Mattock, and supposedly too many left backs now so we let Shush! go out on loan.

What does Ollie do?

He puts a fooking right back in left back position. Chambers has been good this season at right back, he gets forward, and makes tackles yet he always seemed to be behind Stearman in the pecking order. Credit to Stearman who has been better recently but Chambers has been good too.

A right back at left back when we have left backs now, strikers on the wings who obviously can't play there when they are both playing well up front and we have the Hungarian wingers now.

Stop playing players out of position Ollie, or just stop moaning about square pegs in round holes when you keep hammering those pegs in!

Im starting to wonder if Ollie is right for our club now. Ill judge him after the first 10 games of next season and see where we are then, whether in league 1 or the Championship

I find Ollie an enigma. He certainly has the passion - I like a manager who jumps out of his seat and shouts at the players - God knows we wouldnt want a Sven!! However, the football we are playing at present - is it any better than it was before? I went to Norwich, for example, where we were played off the park. The Palace game was a bore and should have been a draw - and losing to Blackpool with the squad we have expensively assembled is just UNACCEPTABLE! No more excuses Ollie - this is now YOUR squad and we should be improving - I'm not sure we are........ I'm certainly not calling for Ollie out - however, if we stay up, which I feel we will, we must notice a radical improvement next season, both in terms of results and football played, or else I fear we will be losing yet another manager. NO EXCUSES OLLIE - losing to Blackpool is not good enough - they are crap and we should be running games against such teams.

[Babylon]

losing to Blackpool is not good enough - they are crap and we should be running games against such teams.

What complete and utter nonsense. Why should we beat them? Why should we run the game? They have been above us most of the season and have beaten us once already. What gives us the automatic right to expect to beat them? The table doesn't lie we have consistently been shitter than them most of the season.

[colbo68]

What complete and utter nonsense. Why should we beat them? Why should we run the game? They have been above us most of the season and have beaten us once already. What gives us the automatic right to expect to beat them? The table doesn't lie we have consistently been shitter than them most of the season.

The simple reason why we should be running such games is a: we have spent lots on what are considered to be quality Championship players - Clemence, DJ, Howard, Oakley - whereas Blackpool were playing Dickov!! great player in his day but surely now not so good?? B: Blackpool have been on a bad run of results and have been sinking for weeks... need I say more?? am I speaking to a relative of Ollie? or yet another 'Keep the Faith' merchant?

[Bluemoon]

I don't believe that for a second - so you put all of his previous experience down to luck when it went well then? For ages we have berated managers for adopting a defensive outlook and yet when we put on an attacking line-up he is coping it again. The players shoulder the responsibility for not performing; He inherited one of the worst squads in football and has started to pull it around...this is not something that will happen over-night because the restructuring of the squad is not complete.

Supporters have to come to terms with a mid-table/sub mid-table finish and stop this nonsense talk of making the play-offs, Ollie needs to be given time with our collective support because the last thing we need is more upheaval and Mandaric has to understand that he is a long way from having finished spending.

Nobody is denying Holloway is an attack minded manager, and most fans are up for that, including me. The problem for some of us is wether he is any good at it. I have never thought the guy was that good a manager and his below average management record, including Bristol Rovers, shows that. Yes, I know we have to give him time, but he is too insecure, and he is the one who is making ridiculous playoff connections, probably because he has seen the past record of our chairman, not us loyal fans who continue to turn up in our numbers despite very poor performances.

[Babylon]

I speaking to a relative of Ollie? or yet another 'Keep the Faith' merchant?

Yeah of course you are.

You stay in your "we're Leicester, we're the greatest team ever, we should beat everyone, we have the divine right to be in the premier" bubble.

You're lack of respect for other teams shows what you are. Would you expect to beat Bristol City? They are only little Bristol City, without any big name expensive players after all.

[colbo68]

Yeah of course you are.

You stay in your "we're Leicester, we're the greatest team ever, we should beat everyone, we have the divine right to be in the premier" bubble.

You're lack of respect for other teams shows what you are. Would you expect to beat Bristol City? They are only little Bristol City, without any big name expensive players after all.

As a city fan of sod knows how many years I have learnt to accept the ups and downs - the ups being the Martin years, the downs being ever since - City as the greatest team ever!!! you are having a fooking laff aint ya - the past few seasons have been shit, I see us as at being at best a middle of the road club - Bristol City have done amazin since being promoted - fair play to them - however, with the money we have spent, a new manager, a squad full of decent players, then YES, we should be beating Blackpool - I see them stuggling to stay up.......get out of your mindset of my thinking City have a 'divine right' to win anything and look at what I am actually saying - browse through other comments being made today and you'll see people are broadly in agreement

[Bluemoon]

Yeah of course you are.

You stay in your "we're Leicester, we're the greatest team ever, we should beat everyone, we have the divine right to be in the premier" bubble.

You're lack of respect for other teams shows what you are. Would you expect to beat Bristol City? They are only little Bristol City, without any big name expensive players after all.

I agree with you Babbler. Too much of the big team attitude at the Walkers. I think Holloway has had an effect there though. All his idiotic shouting of the odds that he was in the big time now hasn't exactly helped that haughty attitude that can only damage City's chances and makes a laughing stock of the club. Mind you, talking of Bristol, what wouldn't I give to have Johnson as our manager or maybe Billy Davies.

[Daggers]

Nobody is denying Holloway is an attack minded manager, and most fans are up for that, including me. The problem for some of us is wether he is any good at it. I have never thought the guy was that good a manager and his below average management record, including Bristol Rovers, shows that. Yes, I know we have to give him time, but he is too insecure, and he is the one who is making ridiculous playoff connections, probably because he has seen the past record of our chairman, not us loyal fans who continue to turn up in our numbers despite very poor performances.

Below average? Rovers, his first ever job in management, he made the play-offs before his best front two were shipped out. QPR went into administration and yet he still managed to achieve creditable performances, attract quality players and achieve promotion before turning them into a side that managed to remain mid-table in the Championship. Finally, what he achieved at Plymouth before joining us was nothing short of excellent considering the limitations placed on him through it being a tiny club.

That does not make him average - it makes him well above average.

It has been stated many times that players hold a deep respect for him, similar as players do for Warnock - just look at how he has transformed Stearman from a dreadful player into consistently one of our best.

Finally, if there is one thing Holloway is not then it is insecure. The man holds an absolute belief in his abilities - he is just suffering because supporters of this club seem to think that a manager simply has to wave a wand and all of our ills will be cured. It's nonsense. We have been shite for year upon year, it is ingrained in the psyche of LFCFC, losing and not caring is part of our culture.

He is bound to talk of play-offs, as Mandaric did upon taking us over - but only the retarded actually believed it. He is being measured against this yard-stick by many and that is inane. Judge him by what he has achieved - not by what he has failed to achieve.

[Bluemoon]

Below average? Rovers, his first ever job in management, he made the play-offs before his best front two were shipped out. QPR went into administration and yet he still managed to achieve creditable performances, attract quality players and achieve promotion before turning them into a side that managed to remain mid-table in the Championship. Finally, what he achieved at Plymouth before joining us was nothing short of excellent considering the limitations placed on him through it being a tiny club.

That does not make him average - it makes him well above average.

It has been stated many times that players hold a deep respect for him, similar as players do for Warnock - just look at how he has transformed Stearman from a dreadful player into consistently one of our best.

Finally, if there is one thing Holloway is not then it is insecure. The man holds an absolute belief in his abilities - he is just suffering because supporters of this club seem to think that a manager simply has to wave a wand and all of our ills will be cured. It's nonsense. We have been shite for year upon year, it is ingrained in the psyche of LFCFC, losing and not caring is part of our culture.

He is bound to talk of play-offs, as Mandaric did upon taking us over - but only the retarded actually believed it. He is being measured against this yard-stick by many and that is inane. Judge him by what he has achieved - not by what he has failed to achieve.

With all respect, we can all quote figures for our own purpose. One promotion out of roughly 10 years of management is not successful in any language, and that one promotion was achieved by a newly relegated squad he took down that were far too good for the lowly division they found themselves in. You mention Warnock who is actually one of the most successful managers of modern times and compare Holloway to him???? You must surely be joking. I only wish we had landed him instead of Palace.

The truth is Holloway was about 4th or 5th choice and to me the way he has behaved since he has been here saying all sorts of tabloid nonsense is embarassing. Stoking up false hopes does nothing to turn the ship around, and to my mind are the nervous attempts to convince a trigger happy chairman of his worth, and show the true person beneath the verbose facade.

As for previous players professing love, did I notice Ebanks Blake or Norris coming here? players that would have suited us down to the ground Let's face it most people involved in football say they like their former manager, club, team etc. etc. It's just banter and means absoloutely nothing.

[Super Arj]

Hume really shouldn't be playing on the right wing.

i agree,

he is wasted there and hasnt scored any goals when he is put on the wing

[Bert]

i agree,

he is wasted there and hasnt scored any goals when he is put on the wing

He has.

[Daggers]

With all respect, we can all quote figures for our own purpose.

OK then - you say below average so point out the 37 other current league club managers that have achieved more than him in order to make him below average?

[Thracian]

Below average? Rovers, his first ever job in management, he made the play-offs before his best front two were shipped out. QPR went into administration and yet he still managed to achieve creditable performances, attract quality players and achieve promotion before turning them into a side that managed to remain mid-table in the Championship. Finally, what he achieved at Plymouth before joining us was nothing short of excellent considering the limitations placed on him through it being a tiny club.

That does not make him average - it makes him well above average.

It has been stated many times that players hold a deep respect for him, similar as players do for Warnock - just look at how he has transformed Stearman from a dreadful player into consistently one of our best.

Finally, if there is one thing Holloway is not then it is insecure. The man holds an absolute belief in his abilities - he is just suffering because supporters of this club seem to think that a manager simply has to wave a wand and all of our ills will be cured. It's nonsense. We have been shite for year upon year, it is ingrained in the psyche of LFCFC, losing and not caring is part of our culture.

He is bound to talk of play-offs, as Mandaric did upon taking us over - but only the retarded actually believed it. He is being measured against this yard-stick by many and that is inane. Judge him by what he has achieved - not by what he has failed to achieve.

He's not a novice so what's he achieved then in terms of promotions?

Don't get me wrong, there's probably no point having another change, but when I look at where Paul Ince, my preferred choice as City manager last summer, is standing now with Milton Keynes I do feel a bit underwhelmed at where we seem to have got in the same time.

Grayson, another I fancied as an alternative to Ince has got little Blackpool up a division and is now a creditable 15th in the Championship. And he's done the double over us.

Again, when I look at the nicely balanced and fairly attacking side he's put together I wonder what the hell we're doing.

Doubtless Holloway will lift our spirits in the end but he won't do it with double talk and I hope he doesn't try MM's patience by expecting to do it from Division One.

But that's where we're going if we don't start scoring some goals.

[Daggers]

He's not a novice so what's he achieved then in terms of promotions?

That's not the debate - he was termed below average which he obviously isn't.

[Bluemoon]

Below average? Rovers, his first ever job in management, he made the play-offs before his best front two were shipped out. QPR went into administration and yet he still managed to achieve creditable performances, attract quality players and achieve promotion before turning them into a side that managed to remain mid-table in the Championship. Finally, what he achieved at Plymouth before joining us was nothing short of excellent considering the limitations placed on him through it being a tiny club.

That does not make him average - it makes him well above average.

It has been stated many times that players hold a deep respect for him, similar as players do for Warnock - just look at how he has transformed Stearman from a dreadful player into consistently one of our best.

Finally, if there is one thing Holloway is not then it is insecure. The man holds an absolute belief in his abilities - he is just suffering because supporters of this club seem to think that a manager simply has to wave a wand and all of our ills will be cured. It's nonsense. We have been shite for year upon year, it is ingrained in the psyche of LFCFC, losing and not caring is part of our culture.

He is bound to talk of play-offs, as Mandaric did upon taking us over - but only the retarded actually believed it. He is being measured against this yard-stick by many and that is inane. Judge him by what he has achieved - not by what he has failed to achieve.

So it's ok to talk nonsense and patronise the City fans then?

I wonder if he has been patronising the "retarded" players with his amateur morale boosting monologues, and they've rumbled him, just like some fans are. It's going to take more than a spoofing clown to turn the spirit around in our squad.

[Koke]

He's not a novice so what's he achieved then in terms of promotions?

Don't get me wrong, there's probably no point having another change, but when I look at where Paul Ince, my preferred choice as City manager last summer, is standing now with Milton Keynes I do feel a bit underwhelmed at where we seem to have got in the same time.

Grayson, another I fancied as an alternative to Ince has got little Blackpool up a division and is now a creditable 15th in the Championship. And he's done the double over us.

Again, when I look at the nicely balanced and fairly attacking side he's put together I wonder what the hell we're doing.

Doubtless Holloway will lift our spirits in the end but he won't do it with double talk and I hope he doesn't try MM's patience by expecting to do it from Division One.

But that's where we're going if we don't start scoring some goals.

Bit unfair cos you aren't taking into consideration when he came in and all the mess he inherited. Had Paul Ince come in, we'd be in this exact position, if not worse.

And if you use promotions, stats etc to judge Ollie as a manager, then its a bit ironic that you then say you prefer Paul Ince who has f-all experience and credibility as a manager.

And also, Ince is doing good but in what division again?

[Jimmy]

Bit unfair cos you aren't taking into consideration when he came in and all the mess he inherited. Had Paul Ince come in, we'd be in this exact position, if not worse.

And if you use promotions, stats etc to judge Ollie as a manager, then its a bit ironic that you then say you prefer Paul Ince who has f-all experience and credibility as a manager.

And also, Ince is doing good but in what division again?

Arguing with logic against Thracian, will it work this time?!?!

[Daggers]

So it's ok to talk nonsense and patronise the City fans then?

Obviously not in your book - but seeing as the thick ****ers won't realise they're being patronised that'll be ok

[Webbo]

Don't get me wrong, there's probably no point having another change, but when I look at where Paul Ince, my preferred choice as City manager last summer, is standing now with Milton Keynes I do feel a bit underwhelmed at where we seem to have got in the same time.

On that football programme on ITV on a Thursday night a couple of weeks ago somebody said( some ex professional, can't remember who) that Ince had the chance to go to Leicester but turned it down. Don't know how true that is, perhaps he didn't feel ready for it or want to work with Mandaric.

[Geo V]

He's not a novice so what's he achieved then in terms of promotions?

Don't get me wrong, there's probably no point having another change, but when I look at where Paul Ince, my preferred choice as City manager last summer, is standing now with Milton Keynes I do feel a bit underwhelmed at where we seem to have got in the same time.

Grayson, another I fancied as an alternative to Ince has got little Blackpool up a division and is now a creditable 15th in the Championship. And he's done the double over us.

Again, when I look at the nicely balanced and fairly attacking side he's put together I wonder what the hell we're doing.

Doubtless Holloway will lift our spirits in the end but he won't do it with double talk and I hope he doesn't try MM's patience by expecting to do it from Division One.

But that's where we're going if we don't start scoring some goals.

Your preferred choice was for us to get relegated and Beaglehole to take over, to blood more kids in so they can sink quicker than Rik waller in the Pacific, wearing cement shoes.

As for Ince, he did Ok at Macclesfield and is enjoying building on good work by Martin Allen with MK Dons and has had a few quid to spend. Thats not saying he isn't excelling at that level because he is and has actually surprised me and could well have done a decent job for us but it was too risky taking a bloke whose management experience was to save Macclesfield from demotion in a managerial career than penned about 5 months.

It was way too early to try him at this level but then again you aren't really one to sit back and analyze a situation, you just expect to sling in young managers, young players right into the deep end despite the facts that getting the best out of people (generally) at this level is by managing their career paths and actually learning their trade.

My advice to you is use less energy on how right you think you were in your opinion and focus on backing the current manager.