The God Delusion

[MC Prussian]

if you want, i can send you a christians response to the book free of charge.

surely only genuine opinions can be formed by reading both sides of the discussion?

Have you read "The God Delusion"?

[Flynny]

the teaching of circumcision was an Old testamanet teaching that was to show someones dedication and commitment to the law, the coming of Jesus was to show our freedom from the law and circumcision.

Gal 5:3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

Gal 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

Gal 5:5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness.

Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

again with other things you have mentioned they were in the Old testamanet and were designed to help us keep the law, which Jesus by his sacrifice has saved christians from- and as for killing an adulterer

Joh 8:4 they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery.

Joh 8:5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?"

Joh 8:6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground.

Joh 8:7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."

Joh 8:8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground.

Joh 8:9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him.

Joh 8:10 Jesus stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"

Joh 8:11 She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more."]]

More of a New Testament man? Fair enough. Not a fan of the gays?

[MPH]

More of a New Testament man? Fair enough. Not a fan of the gays?

well i believe God created Adam and eve not adam and steve if thats what you mean...

Not that i would treat anyone differently..

[MC Prussian]

MPH's random bible quote selection

Looks like you simply choose the parts of the bible you feel like fit your argumentation the best. You're thus (ab)using a book that has been re-written and changed uncounted times over a massive period of time (and it is still modified, every single Christian belief group has its own version). And that is and will always be the everlasting problem with bible followers.

Do you acknowledge the fact that relying on such manipulated/shaky sources makes you look like you don't know what you're doing?

Do you realize what I'm getting at?

[MPH]

Have you read "The God Delusion"?

Hey, i used to LIVE the God delusion.

I used to hate God the idea of God and anything to do with God.

But you are welcome to send me a copy if you like! we can do a trade!

[MPH]

Looks like you simply choose the parts of the bible you feel like fit your argumentation the best. You're thus (ab)using a book that has been re-written and changed uncounted times over a massive period of time (and it is still modified, every single Christian belief group has its own version). And that is and will always be the everlasting problem with bible followers.

Do you acknowledge the fact that relying on such manipulated/shaky sources makes you look like you don't know what you're doing?

Do you realize what I'm getting at?

i could go into more depth as to why i havnt and wont change and fit the bible to fit what i believe if you REALLY want me to?

[MC Prussian]

i could go into more depth as to why i havnt and wont change and fit the bible to fit what i believe if you REALLY want me to?

No, thanks. I think we should go separate ways here and leave it that way.

That's my choice.

[MPH]

No, thanks. I think we should go separate ways here and leave it that way.

That's my choice.

of course, and i wouldnt want to force my opinions on someone. :-)

[MC Prussian]

of course, and i wouldnt want to force my opinions on someone. :-)

Which of course, you'd never do.

[MPH]

Which of course, you'd never do.

. i have only done in this thread what you have done- shared my beliefs.

[Guest]

Both just totally wacky ' christian' programs who give genuine Christians a bad name..

No it doesn't, it gives "wacky" cults a bad name. Unless you're ignorant or thick, you wouldn't expect the WI, or the local Methodist church preaching this ideals from the pulpit.

[MPH]

No it doesn't, it gives "wacky" cults a bad name. Unless you're ignorant or thick, you wouldn't expect the WI, or the local Methodist church preaching this ideals from the pulpit.

i should hope not!

[MC Prussian]

. i have only done in this thread what you have done- shared my beliefs.

Feeble attempts at manipulating people.

First you use the term "reject", now it's "share my beliefs". Don't try to lick my arse.

You certainly know how to play the "me Christian, you sinner" game.

I'm not "sharing" any belief, I'm making a statement. There's a difference.

Try your brainwashed luck with somebody else, I, for my part, will remain sceptic.

Thank you and have a nice day.

[MPH]

Feeble attempts at manipulating people.

First you use the term "reject", now it's "share my beliefs". Don't try to lick my arse.

You certainly know how to play the "me Christian, you sinner" game.

I'm not "sharing" any belief, I'm making a statement. There's a difference.

Try your brainwashed luck with somebody else, I, for my part, will remain sceptic.

Thank you and have a nice day.

your belief is that i am wrong? im guessing you believe there is no God?

i dont ever remember trying to brainwash anyone, just reply to questions and statements.

what have i actually done thats different to you?

I would love to know?

[Jon the Hat]

My main irritation with people of faith is their general conviction that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

Christians for example believe they have a moral code from the word of God. I believe the bible is the work of hundreds of people, not god. Therefore while I take my moral code from current societal moral codes, (many of which are admittedly based on Christian beliefs), many people who "live" by the bible in fact are taking theirm moral code from the current societal moral codes of many hundreds of years ago. Some of these have their place and hence remain in general use. Others do not and are widely condemned or outlawed. The arrogance with which minority groups thinks they have the right to judge others for their moral code is divisive.

[MC Prussian]

your belief is that i am wrong? im guessing you believe there is no God?

i dont ever remember trying to brainwash anyone, just reply to questions and statements.

what have i actually done thats different to you?

I would love to know?

I thought you were more convinced of your own belief system.

May I assume that without the bible you would be nowhere in life or coping rather badly?

We were simply exchanging points of view.

Go with God, but go.

And no, your assumption is wrong. I do not not believe in God.

[MPH]

My main irritation with people of faith is their general conviction that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

Christians for example believe they have a moral code from the word of God. I believe the bible is the work of hundreds of people, not god. Therefore while I take my moral code from current societal moral codes, (many of which are admittedly based on Christian beliefs), many people who "live" by the bible in fact are taking theirm moral code from the current societal moral codes of many hundreds of years ago. Some of these have their place and hence remain in general use. Others do not and are widely condemned or outlawed. The arrogance with which minority groups thinks they have the right to judge others for their moral code is divisive.

But you think i am wrong and you are right. How is that any difference to me holding my own personal beliefs

are'nt you judging religious people and saying they are wrong? you are doing the exact same thing you claim religious people do!!

the whole idea that we live in a tolerant society is interesting...

People are expected ( rightly) that we shold tolerate people of all other races/ sexual orientation ect but when it comes to people tolerating religion, they dont seem to do it too good. They want their ideas and systems tolerated but wont tolerate others....

[MPH]

your belief is that i am wrong? im guessing you believe there is no God?

i dont ever remember trying to brainwash anyone, just reply to questions and statements.

what have i actually done thats different to you?

I would love to know?

I thought you were more convinced of your own belief system.

We were simply exchanging points of view.

Go with God, but go.

And no, your assumption is wrong. I do not not believe in God.

didnt assume!

[MC Prussian]

didnt assume!

Correct. You guessed. Which is a synonym for assuming.

May I assume that without the bible you would be nowhere in life or coping rather badly?

[MPH]

Correct. You guessed. Which is a synonym for assuming.

May I assume that without the bible you would be nowhere in life or coping rather badly?

For sure since i became a christian ( from a very atheistic background) my life has changed- i sure enjoy it alot more!!!

( which is an answer to your question not an attempt to brain wash anyone! )

[MC Prussian]

For sure since i became a christian ( from a very atheistic background) my life has changed- i sure enjoy it alot more!!!

( which is an answer to your question not an attempt to brain wash anyone! )

Good for you.

I enjoy mine, too.

Just without the bible.

[MPH]

Good for you.

I enjoy mine, too.

Just without the bible.

[Jon the Hat]

But you think i am wrong and you are right. How is that any difference to me holding my own personal beliefs

are'nt you judging religious people and saying they are wrong? you are doing the exact same thing you claim religious people do!!

the whole idea that we live in a tolerant society is interesting...

People are expected ( rightly) that we shold tolerate people of all other races/ sexual orientation ect but when it comes to people tolerating religion, they dont seem to do it too good. They want their ideas and systems tolerated but wont tolerate others....

I think you are wrong but I have no problem with you personally holding your beliefs. What I object to is the judgemental attitude against the indivudal, and the desire to meddle in others lives. Accept that others have a right to live their lives as they choose, within the laws and societal moral code of the country. You may of course hold a more Christian or Muslim moral code yourself, but have no right to expect or condemn another for not sharing that code. If you wish to change the law you have a voice the same as any other citizen, and your voice is as loud as any other's in temrns of changing what society deems acceptable.

If living in your Religious code and lifestyle makes you happy good for you.

[Webbo]

'Tis true.

When's the last time you've heard an Atheist start an Unholy War?

The Soviet invasion of Afganistan?

My main irritation with people of faith is their general conviction that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

Religious people don't have a monopoly on that.

[Zingari]

You either believe in god or you don't. I don't know why you need to read a book about it.

Dawkins himself asks, and answers this question brilliantly in the preface of the book ( paperback version ,as it has been added later )

You could probably just about read the preface of it while browsing in the bookshop ( as i did, and bought the book on the strength of that )

Only got up to about page 50 last night but these arguments and reasons why a non believer should read a book like this are amply reinforced and to be quite honest, as yet , it is a very good read and very amusing ( not shrill and strident as described by many critics )

ps i do intend to read the "Dawkins Delusion " next as a counterbalance so i bought both them together