Dont Blame Milan....

[Thracian]

There are two parts which make up football mate = scoring goals and conceeding goals

Do you not know how good the defensive record was for that short era (even if every game did result in a draw)? If not i suggest you do some reading.

If you have a reliable defence then you can spend your time concentrating on the other areas which are failing. Though Holloway has started to get a grasp in midfield this team would be so much stronger if it had the reliablilty it used to have in defence. If that was the case we could concentrate on getting goals.

Levein was always going to fix the attack tomorrow.

Kelly thought "attack" was a dirty word.

Megson didn't see the need for an attack

Holloway doesn't have any idea how to attack.

Our defence will never be significantly more reliable than a goal a game.

So we should have worked on our attack months ago.

And doing that will involve using more creative people in midfield than we use.

And more accomplished defenders.

Sadly you cannot detach the two.

In football the two must be part of each other.

[Houdini Logic]

Being held to ransom for £3million for Fulop( however good he was for s) doent exactly send out the right vibes does it.

Especially as he is now at Sland warming his arse on the bench.

Anyway,personally i dont think Alnwick is a bad keeper.

I think our best defensive days recently were under Megson not Oliie.

Also our Goals for column is a joke.

Goals=Win you games.

If we drew every game,we'd be down!

Fulop is a Premiership quality keeper.

To get him for £3m would have been a bargain. I remember seeing him make a couple of small mistakes in all of the games he played at leicester.

Don't get me wrong Alnwick is a pretty good keeper - probably the standard that a good Leicester team would deserve, but if you have a hint of Fulop you should go for it.

And yes i appreciate goals win games - but conceeding goals loses games.

[Geo V]

As much as I was and am delighted that Milan is here, putting money into a club that couldn't spend more than 100k on players in recent times, we must be fair and say that he deserves certain criticism as his choices of managers have sucked balls.

Its obviously easy for me to say that as we have good old history to sling in his face but most of us accepted MA although most despised the GM option and he has gone on to do well in the Premier League of all places . Ollie has hardly got everyone on side but lets hope this latest appointment proves to be successful, for our and Milans sake.

BTW for the record, I still champion the big nosed tosspot as at least he is trying with his own cash whilst some of the fans are admitting to wanting to stay away or not buy season tickets had they known how shite it would get.

[Legend_in_blue]

As much as I was and am delighted that Milan is here, putting money into a club that couldn't spend more than 100k on players in recent times, we must be fair and say that he deserves certain criticism as his choices of managers have sucked balls.

Its obviously easy for me to say that as we have good old history to sling in his face but most of us accepted MA although most despised the GM option and he has gone on to do well in the Premier League of all places . Ollie has hardly got everyone on side but lets hope this latest appointment proves to be successful, for our and Milans sake.

BTW for the record, I still champion the big nosed tosspot as at least he is trying with his own cash whilst some of the fans are admitting to wanting to stay away or not buy season tickets had they known how shite it would get.

Milan can quote all the millions he has spent as much as he likes. £11m by today's standards is neither here nor there. With a complete football team that makes an average of £1m per player which is likely to do bugger all the premiership. £11m, by championship standards however, should at least see you in the top half - and we're nowhere near it. This is where most of our frustrations lie in the fact that, despite money being spent, the improvement made on the pitch is nowhere near as good as it should be. As much as I like to see Milan spending 'his millions' (which in comparison to his overall wealth, probably a small percentage) we're none the better for it. Surely a further 'investment', as he puts it, should see us pushing up the table next season. Should we avoid relegation of course. Milan bought the club on the cheap, and part of me thinks he thinks he can get us out of this division on the cheap. Not going to happen.

[Raj]

Fulop is a Premiership quality keeper.

To get him for £3m would have been a bargain. I remember seeing him make a couple of small mistakes in all of the games he played at leicester.

Don't get me wrong Alnwick is a pretty good keeper - probably the standard that a good Leicester team would deserve, but if you have a hint of Fulop you should go for it.

And yes i appreciate goals win games - but conceeding goals loses games.

Is that why no one else came in for him at the £3million mark???

Dont get me wrong,i thought he was a very good GK but if MM did pay £3million forr him,i dont think we could ever have got the likes of oakley for £500,000 as clubs would think MM is willing to throw money away for players.

On a side note, i can understand the frustrations of people who are anti-MM but im more pissed off with people who seem to suggest we had an influx of potential investors ready to splash the big cash.

They had PLENTY of opportunities to pump millions into our Club,especially when the club was on its knees(Yes...even worse than now)

No one did(especially from Leicester!)

MM did.

Where was the Andrew Taylor consortium?

Like him or not,MM has put money in (albeit loans or whatever)

Whether it is the best thing for City or not,only time will tell.....

PEACE!

[He's not bald]

I cannot believe some people. Had Milan not bought us then we would not own the Walkers Stadium, we would not be able to afford players like Steve Howard and Oakley but would have to look towards free transfers and we would not be financially safe. We would get lower attendances as a result of high ticket pricing because of the lack of money and could have affected the playing side. Without Milan we could be in League 1 right now and signing the likes of failed championship players. Milan has given stability to the club, the money for good signings, a stadium that is owned by us and a better prospect for the future. So for all those criticisers of Milan, the only place that I can assume that you are unhappy with him for is because of the results and thats down to one man - big mouth. But you won't criticise him will you?? You should learn to assess situations before opening your mouth - ow What a coincidence, just like big mouth.

Who owns the Walkers? What impact have Howard and Oakley had on our league position? Are we financially safe? Yes I'm unhappy and your arguements are based only on assumptions,you know nothing about the finances of the club...idiot!

[skinnydipper]

Downside - The more managers he gets rid of the harder it becomes to get a decent manager in. Above all else the club needs consistency and i'd prefer us to keep the same manager even if we go down. To all those numptys calling for change - it takes time to build a team and change the mentality at the club.I don't agree with everything Holloway does-far from it-I'm just sick to death of the managerial revolving door.

Upside - Milan will spend more cash in the summer, something that wouldn't have happened if we hadn't been bought.As much as good footballers we need stong positive motivators in the team who can help get more from the current players

[pauliepaul]

Downside - The more managers he gets rid of the harder it becomes to get a decent manager in. Above all else the club needs consistency and i'd prefer us to keep the same manager even if we go down. To all those numptys calling for change - it takes time to build a team and change the mentality at the club.I don't agree with everything Holloway does-far from it-I'm just sick to death of the managerial revolving door.

Upside - Milan will spend more cash in the summer, something that wouldn't have happened if we hadn't been bought.As much as good footballers we need stong positive motivators in the team who can help get more from the current players

I thought Mianderich had invested 25 million? everyone on here says 11m!? is that expenditure on players so far?

I agree about the revolving door -shocking really. Would Dowie have honestly done any better???

[davieG]

I thought Mianderich had invested 25 million? everyone on here says 11m!? is that expenditure on players so far?

I agree about the revolving door -shocking really. Would Dowie have honestly done any better???

The £25 mill was Blanderson/Media talk and was meant to include paying off all debts including the stadium. This hasn't been done and those that could see through all the Media/MM hype new it wouldn't be done.

This is a summary of the takeover deal:

Basically MM has stuffed in £9million for new shares. £4.5 mill now and £4.5 mill by 31 May 2008. That goes into the Club.

That gives him 75% control. Because the new shares have flooded the existing shares.

Then he has agreed to buy the existing shares from existing shareholders at 10p in the £ by 15 August 2010 at the latest. BUT if we go up into the Prem in the next 3 years he will pay an additional 40p in the £ at the start of the season we go up. AND if we stay up that season he will pay an additional 50p in the £ at the start of that 2nd season in the Prem.

This is all done by Call Options to buy those shares and the existing shareholders have Put Options requiring MM to buy at those prices in MM doesn't do so if the conditions are met.

MM is providing a personal shareholder's guarantee for that money - but not backed up by a bank guarantee.

No plans to do anything about buying the stadium.

EGM on 9 March to deal with the formalities.

So the deal is for £9 Million PLUS another minimum of £600,000 for shareholders by 2010 BUT if we go up they get half their money back (£3 mill) and if we stay up they get all their money back(£6 mill).

So clever MM gets the club for under £10 mill. If he pays more it's because we have hit the big time and he can easily afford it.

Also he takes over the Club's liabilities obviously.

You can find the full deal here

As for the £11mill I guess we will never know what he's spent that on or even if it includes the original purchase price of £4.5 mill but he did promise as part of the deal an injection of £9 million over the next 15 months (not just transfers though)

[pauliepaul]

The £25 mill was Blanderson/Media talk and was meant to include paying off all debts including the stadium. This hasn't been done and those that could see through all the Media/MM hype new it wouldn't be done.

This is a summary of the takeover deal:

You can find the full deal here

As for the £11mill I guess we will never know what he's spent that on or even if it includes the original purchase price of £4.5 mill but he did promise as part of the deal an injection of £9 million over the next 15 months (not just transfers though)

sounds like some serious cash - no wonder he is so jittery... do you really have to spend so many millions on players??

Kristian The Timarnator Timar 75k

David Chuck Norris 75k

Peter Messi Halmosi 200k !!?

lololol

In my humble opinion you need a manager who is less driven by anger and emotion

You may laugh but someone with more of a calm mind would be better -more in the binary code football mode of Tony Pulis......

Not pretty, but effective. Holloway goes balls out attacking style.. Your players havent responded to that.

[Ultra]

I have to echo many previous posters' comments.

Leicester City was in financial trouble when MM took over. But it was NOT going into administration. The 3 directors (AT, GC and JJ) with the most business experience resigned from the old board before the takeover because they felt that they could not support the bid as it was not beneficial to shareholders or the club. These men are all committed City fans and experienced businessmen so they would not have taken the club into administration just to stop MM from taking over. There was a plan in place should MM have not taken over.

As I've said in another thread, this £11m figure is almost certainly rubbish. As was the £25m beforehand. If the £11m figure is to be believed I think we can be sure that at least £1-2million has been going on paying off managers and giving them signing on fees. RK would have been entitled to £200k and Allen to at least £500k.

Obviously without MM we would not have players like Oakley, Clemence, Howard and Campbell but they have contributed very little. It is true that the club may have had to sell assets such as Kisnorbo or Stearman but we had a decent enough squad to stay up last year and would do again this year. The fact is that it's been a whole year and now is the time to start to judge MM. And we've regressed.

Mandaric has a lot to answer for. In fact 20,000 fans week in week out. Why have we not progressed? Is it the players or the managers? if it's the manager then why has he appointed them? If it's the players then why is a manager in place who is buying poor players?

Is the club 'poisonous'? Many have forgotten such a disappointing comment. The club has been afflicted by many problems and the pre-MM period was horrible. But this isn't any better. We're going down in an embarrassing fashion. I'm at uni so in term time can only catch the TV games or ones in the NE but I was ashamed to watch the Plymouth and Palace games with my mates, being as they were appalling displays of ineptitude. You would have thought that a year down the line things may have changed.

Don't blame MM entirely. But he is just as culpable as Holloway, Kelly, Megson and the players for the state we're in.

Well said.

[Raj]

Well said.

Plan in place??

BOLLOX!

talk the talk-walk the walk.

Talk is cheap!!!

[Zingari]

quote 'Raj'

Talk is cheap!!

not on the telephone numbers i call

[Raj]

Told you before to bar them 0898 numbers you dirty bastard!

[accessory]

Plan in place??

BOLLOX!

talk the talk-walk the walk.

Talk is cheap!!!

How do you know there wasn't a plan in place?

[Foxes_Trust]

How do you know there wasn't a plan in place?

There was a plan in place, but it would have been a painful one involving some of our best players going, but this would have generated enough to survive, then it would have been a case of ensuring we had a manager who could use a mixture of our own young players & those we could afford to bring in & pay to at least maintain Championship status.

We can only speculate as to whether our League position would have been any better/worse than now, sides are doing well in this division without burning £11m in the last year.

[Foxes_Trust]

As for the £11mill I guess we will never know what he's spent that on or even if it includes the original purchase price of £4.5 mill but he did promise as part of the deal an injection of £9 million over the next 15 months (not just transfers though)

We are sure a member will be asking at the Trust AGM on the 25th of this month

[accessory]

There was a plan in place, but it would have been a painful one involving some of our best players going, but this would have generated enough to survive, then it would have been a case of ensuring we had a manager who could use a mixture of our own young players & those we could afford to bring in & pay to at least maintain Championship status.

We can only speculate as to whether our League position would have been any better/worse than now, sides are doing well in this division without burning £11m in the last year.

I heard Stearman would have gone, maybe Kisnorbo as well.

But we might have been able to replace them. Many managers in this division know how to wheel and deal.

[Daggers]

There was a plan in place, but it would have been a painful one involving some of our best players going, but this would have generated enough to survive, then it would have been a case of ensuring we had a manager who could use a mixture of our own young players & those we could afford to bring in & pay to at least maintain Championship status.

Good plan.