OriginalRobboFOX Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 People are gettin me more and more angry!! FFS please get off MM's back. If it wasn't for him we might not even be in existence right now or we could be languishing in League 1. I would be right pi55ed off if I read some of the drivel on here from a minor few knowing that I'd put £11 million of my own hard-earned cash into the club, as yet with no reward. Admittedly progress has been painfully slow but he has had to shake the club up from its foundations and pretty much start again. When will people realise that we dont have a divine right to be amongst the elite and we are going to have to work for it. I know the performances recently have been dire but Ollie and MM both need time. Rome wasn't built in a day. Show some gratitude please! Rant over.
Darkzzz_ Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 People are gettin me more and more angry!!FFS please get off MM's back. If it wasn't for him we might not even be in existence right now or we could be languishing in League 1. I would be right pi55ed off if I read some of the drivel on here from a minor few knowing that I'd put £11 million of my own hard-earned cash into the club, as yet with no reward. Admittedly progress has been painfully slow but he has had to shake the club up from its foundations and pretty much start again. When will people realise that we dont have a divine right to be amongst the elite and we are going to have to work for it. I know the performances recently have been dire but Ollie and MM both need time. Rome wasn't built in a day. Show some gratitude please! Rant over.
Head Honcho Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 MM has to take some of the blame for our form. He did after all appoint the managers and sanction the players they signed as well as signing a few of his own. I've don't think I've yet slagged him off but that doesn't mean he's without blame. ..........................and all this crap about MM saving this club is bollox. If MM hadn't have come along I'm certain somebody else would have. We may not have had the investment that MM has put in and ultimately relegation would have undoubtedly followed but we'd still be here as a club. The one good thing about MM is that if things ain't going right he won't hesitate to change things. I'm sure he'll get it right eventually.
teblin Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 MM has to take some of the blame for our form. He did after all appoint the managers and sanction the players they signed as well as signing a few of his own.I've don't think I've yet slagged him off but that doesn't mean he's without blame. ..........................and all this crap about MM saving this club is bollox. If MM hadn't have come along I'm certain somebody else would have. We may not have had the investment that MM has put in and ultimately relegation would have undoubtedly followed but we'd still be here as a club. The one good thing about MM is that if things ain't going right he won't hesitate to change things. I'm sure he'll get it right eventually. He admited he got allen wrong in his recent interview.
Ric Flair Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 I don't blame Milan. This club has been a joke for 8 years now, which he cannot be held accountable for. Ok, so he's not really massively helped matters during his tenure. He's made some bizarre decisions, but it's becoming more and more evident that there's something seriously and probably terminally wrong with this club and the solutions to the problems won't come over night. I wouldn't blame Mandaric if he fooked off and left us, he's 69 and could probably do without a few more years like the one he's just had, even if he's caused a lot of the pain and embarrassment. We've got to hope and pray that things fall in to place, there's a rot set in and it doesn't matter what owner takes over, what manager is installed or what new set of players are bought in, we still struggle. My gut instincts would to say that Holloway has proven he's good enough at this level, enough so for us not to go and change our manager yet again. Mandaric has proven he 'can' bring success to teams eventually and anyway he owns the gaff, he can do what he wants. That leaves, getting a whole new team again. I mean a whole new team. Any player that has played for us since before the end of 2007 (prior to the transfer window) should be gotten rid of. Henderson, Kisnorbo, McAuley, Stearman, Chambers, N'Gotty, Mattock, Hume, Clemence, Wesolowski, Kishishev, Hayes, Fryatt, DJ, the list goes on. All these players that have been here long enough to be infected by the cancer at our club, get rid. The newbies, such as Oakley, Alnwick and Howard, they can probably be saved. But all the others, get rid and start again. A new ethos, start from scratch without the pre-conceived negativity installed in to people when they get involved with the club. It might be wise to shoot all season ticket holders, members and regular Blue Armyers who have followed the club in the last few years. Start again, perhaps even move. Take the club off to another country perhaps, Scudamore would love that. The Gaza Strip might be an untapped hotbed for us.
Father Ted Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 He admited he got allen wrong in his recent interview. And... you don't know the full story and what was going on behind the scenes.
Thracian Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 And... you don't know the full story and what was going on behind the scenes. By all means enlighten us.
Fox in a Box Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 I don't blame Milan. This club has been a joke for 8 years now, which he cannot be held accountable for. Ok, so he's not really massively helped matters during his tenure. He's made some bizarre decisions, but it's becoming more and more evident that there's something seriously and probably terminally wrong with this club and the solutions to the problems won't come over night.I wouldn't blame Mandaric if he fooked off and left us, he's 69 and could probably do without a few more years like the one he's just had, even if he's caused a lot of the pain and embarrassment. We've got to hope and pray that things fall in to place, there's a rot set in and it doesn't matter what owner takes over, what manager is installed or what new set of players are bought in, we still struggle. My gut instincts would to say that Holloway has proven he's good enough at this level, enough so for us not to go and change our manager yet again. Mandaric has proven he 'can' bring success to teams eventually and anyway he owns the gaff, he can do what he wants. That leaves, getting a whole new team again. I mean a whole new team. Any player that has played for us since before the end of 2007 (prior to the transfer window) should be gotten rid of. Henderson, Kisnorbo, McAuley, Stearman, Chambers, N'Gotty, Mattock, Hume, Clemence, Wesolowski, Kishishev, Hayes, Fryatt, DJ, the list goes on. All these players that have been here long enough to be infected by the cancer at our club, get rid. The newbies, such as Oakley, Alnwick and Howard, they can probably be saved. But all the others, get rid and start again. A new ethos, start from scratch without the pre-conceived negativity installed in to people when they get involved with the club. It might be wise to shoot all season ticket holders, members and regular Blue Armyers who have followed the club in the last few years. Start again, perhaps even move. Take the club off to another country perhaps, Scudamore would love that. The Gaza Strip might be an untapped hotbed for us. The post of the year so far QUOTE>>It might be wise to shoot all season ticket holders, members and regular Blue Armyers who have followed the club in the last few years. Start again, perhaps even move. Take the club off to another country perhaps, Scudamore would love that. The Gaza Strip might be an untapped hotbed for us. Whats gazza got to do with anything?
davieG Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 People are gettin me more and more angry!!FFS please get off MM's back. If it wasn't for him we might not even be in existence right now or we could be languishing in League 1. I would be right pi55ed off if I read some of the drivel on here from a minor few knowing that I'd put £11 million of my own hard-earned cash into the club, as yet with no reward. Admittedly progress has been painfully slow but he has had to shake the club up from its foundations and pretty much start again. When will people realise that we dont have a divine right to be amongst the elite and we are going to have to work for it. I know the performances recently have been dire but Ollie and MM both need time. Rome wasn't built in a day. Show some gratitude please! Rant over. Gratitude is one thing, sycophantic slobbering is another. I pay for my season ticket and therefore I'll criticise the service I am receiving. MM is the head of this organisation and it's not delivering value for money therefore the buck stops with him. He 'may' have put in £11mill (or is it loans) but by comparison to his riches I've probably contributed an equal amount. As for our existence we will never know 'what might have been' and as for languishing in League 3 I'll reserve judgement on that until the end of the season. I've not noticed any 'shaking the club up from its foundations and pretty much starting again' - he has shaken the foundations alright and so far we appear to be falling apart, all he's done from a playing perspective is totally mess it up and should be criticised accordingly. As for this 'divine right to be in the elite' bollocks that people keep bring up, being safe from relegation to Division 3 is hardly that and so far he's struggling to achieve it. I don't even hanker to be with the elite I'd settle for some decent football and a few wins, when he can deliver that I'll stop criticising him. Note: Criticising doesn't automatically mean get rid it can mean get better. PS Football is a blame culture, MM blames the managers, the manager's blame the players, the fan's are entitled to blame someone and MM does get excused from that.
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 15 February 2008 Author Posted 15 February 2008 ..........................and all this crap about MM saving this club is bollox. If MM hadn't have come along I'm certain somebody else would have. We may not have had the investment that MM has put in and ultimately relegation would have undoubtedly followed but we'd still be here as a club. Yeah but this is the problem, how can you be certain??
breadandcheese Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 People are gettin me more and more angry!!FFS please get off MM's back. If it wasn't for him we might not even be in existence right now or we could be languishing in League 1. I would be right pi55ed off if I read some of the drivel on here from a minor few knowing that I'd put £11 million of my own hard-earned cash into the club, as yet with no reward. Admittedly progress has been painfully slow but he has had to shake the club up from its foundations and pretty much start again. When will people realise that we dont have a divine right to be amongst the elite and we are going to have to work for it. I know the performances recently have been dire but Ollie and MM both need time. Rome wasn't built in a day. Show some gratitude please! Rant over. The ramblings of a fool. Do you know we would have gone out of existence if not for Milan? I'm not so sure that's true. I would like to hear those in charge of the finances of the club at the time, rather than a chairman who is a skillful manipulator of the press, who releases dubious claim after dubious claim to the media. Would we be playing in league 1? Again, I don't think so. Last season, there were too many teams playing worse football than us. Although we flirted with the relegation fight, there was no doubt in my mind we would stay up. (This season I'm not so sure that we'll survive, certainly not at the moment). Did Milan have to rebuild the club from scratch? Again, I think this is your hyperbole, rather than reality. Indeed it could be argued that one of the reasons that attracted Milan was that we had a good set-up from which to build. He has been unable to bring in the right people (managers, scouts, players - yes, I think we can say that Milan has signed players) but I'm not going to lambast him for that because those are genuine mistakes and with the current set-up of transfer windows, it can be very difficult to put right until the summer months when you are not fighting with other clubs to bid for players from teams who are reluctant to sell as they are unsure of being able to get a replacement in. The only thing I agree with you on is that our club does not have a divine right to be up amongst the elite. Right now, I'm worried that we won't even be amongst the second tier, let alone the elite. This has not been helped by our manager and chairman talking 3 games ago about a push for the play-offs, when we were closer to the relegation zone. Edit: I was still typing this reply when DavieG posted his reply, but basically, what he said.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 He needs to accept his share of the responsibility for the mess we are still in. He continues to talk about his frustration at the situation despite all the money he has invested but it's his own fault for appointing Allen and MacKay in the summer. A manager lives and dies by the on-the-pitch performances of others (largely players signed by them) but chairmen rarely get held accountable for the appointments they make. I'm proud of our record of never having been relegated beyond the second tier and I was angry that the club had been mismanaged to the degree that we have looked like falling in the last two seasons. I am as angry at the moment with our current position and no amount of pandering to the fans or appearances on Sky Sports News will change that until we start competing like we should be in every game.
MPH Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 MM has to take some of the blame for our form. He did after all appoint the managers and sanction the players they signed as well as signing a few of his own.I've don't think I've yet slagged him off but that doesn't mean he's without blame. ..........................and all this crap about MM saving this club is bollox. If MM hadn't have come along I'm certain somebody else would have. We may not have had the investment that MM has put in and ultimately relegation would have undoubtedly followed but we'd still be here as a club. The one good thing about MM is that if things ain't going right he won't hesitate to change things. I'm sure he'll get it right eventually. you're supposed to trust your manager's judgement. thats the whole point of getting managers in.
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 15 February 2008 Author Posted 15 February 2008 The ramblings of a fool. Maybe so, but I, as you are, am entitled to an opinion and that is mine. Lets be honest no-body on this forum knows the inner workings of our club but I believe every city fan needs to give Milan a certain amount of credit for what he has done. I get frustrated by the minority who criticise at every given opportunity over the slightest of things... Like people gettin on Ollies back. Just give him a chance, how much sh*t has he had to clear out and people are slatin him, accusing his signings of being ineffective etc. He's been here 5 mins, please just give him a little bit of time...
He's not bald Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Gratitude is one thing, sycophantic slobbering is another. I pay for my season ticket and therefore I'll criticise the service I am receiving. MM is the head of this organisation and it's not delivering value for money therefore the buck stops with him. He 'may' have put in £11mill (or is it loans) but by comparison to his riches I've probably contributed an equal amount. As for our existence we will never know 'what might have been' and as for languishing in League 3 I'll reserve judgement on that until the end of the season. I've not noticed any 'shaking the club up from its foundations and pretty much starting again' - he has shaken the foundations alright and so far we appear to be falling apart, all he's done from a playing perspective is totally mess it up and should be criticised accordingly. As for this 'divine right to be in the elite' bollocks that people keep bring up, being safe from relegation to Division 3 is hardly that and so far he's struggling to achieve it. I don't even hanker to be with the elite I'd settle for some decent football and a few wins, when he can deliver that I'll stop criticising him. Note: Criticising doesn't automatically mean get rid it can mean get better. PS Football is a blame culture, MM blames the managers, the manager's blame the players, the fan's are entitled to blame someone and MM does get excused from that. Here here,maybe if he'd not meddled with transfers and concentrated his efforts on other issues our league position might have been a little healthier. Milan sacked Kelly,appointed Worthinghton,let Worthington go,appointed Allen,sacked Allen,appointed Smegson,lost Smegson and appointed Ollie,and would have to have given his blessing to each and every single transfer and loan over the last 12 months,so who else is to blame for our current plight?. And one final thing (and this really make's my blood boil) I don't want to read all the bollox about £11 mil investment because that's all we are an investment and a "means to an end",just a way of making money and nothing more but remember this, if it wasn't for the countless faithful shelling out their hard earned week after week,month after month,year after year and decade after decade spending money that sometime's they could ill-afford to support and be entertained by the boys in blue there would'nt have been a Leicester City for him to invest in!
davieG Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Maybe so, but I, as you are, am entitled to an opinion and that is mine. Lets be honest no-body on this forum knows the inner workings of our club but I believe every city fan needs to give Milan a certain amount of credit for what he has done.I get frustrated by the minority who criticise at every given opportunity over the slightest of things... Like people gettin on Ollies back. Just give him a chance, how much sh*t has he had to clear out and people are slatin him, accusing his signings of being ineffective etc. He's been here 5 mins, please just give him a little bit of time... So why tell those that are critiucal of MM to... FFS please get off MM's back.
Daggers Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 People are gettin me more and more angry!!FFS please get off MM's back. If it wasn't for him we might not even be in existence right now or we could be languishing in League 1. I would be right pi55ed off if I read some of the drivel on here from a minor few knowing that I'd put £11 million of my own hard-earned cash into the club, as yet with no reward. Admittedly progress has been painfully slow but he has had to shake the club up from its foundations and pretty much start again. When will people realise that we dont have a divine right to be amongst the elite and we are going to have to work for it. I know the performances recently have been dire but Ollie and MM both need time. Rome wasn't built in a day. Show some gratitude please! Rant over. You have no one's word except MM's that he spent £11million. Considering his economy with the truth over the acquisition of the club and where responsibility lay for the summer purchases, blindly trusting in him to tell the truth seems foolish at best. You have no idea that it is his money he has "invested" (if we can even use that word to describe who has been purchased) - and the fault that there has been no reward lies largely with him and the mistakes he has made this year. There has been no progress on the field, none. Compare our league positions at this stage over the last few seasons and see for yourself. We are not constructing a city of Rome, we are rebuilding a Citeh - and he still hasn't got the new foundations in place. Gratitude? For what exactly? All the managers, all the disruption and all of the shite players? The non-ending below-par performances and the way we roll over to teams at both ends of the table?
MikeyT Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 People are gettin me more and more angry!!FFS please get off MM's back. If it wasn't for him we might not even be in existence right now or we could be languishing in League 1. I would be right pi55ed off if I read some of the drivel on here from a minor few knowing that I'd put £11 million of my own hard-earned cash into the club, as yet with no reward. Admittedly progress has been painfully slow but he has had to shake the club up from its foundations and pretty much start again. When will people realise that we dont have a divine right to be amongst the elite and we are going to have to work for it. I know the performances recently have been dire but Ollie and MM both need time. Rome wasn't built in a day. Show some gratitude please! Rant over.
Zingari Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 i think anyones commitment to the club can be "questioned" other than Mandarics that's not because i think he is virtuous but he is a hard nosed businessman, and however much the figures regarding his investment in the club amount to , i'm pretty sure if the club is a failure then he will be the biggest loser ( either directly financially or by the tarred brush of failure that affects his future dealings ) i believe his hard earned reputation as a "winner" means very much to him
Flynny Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 i think anyones commitment to the club can be "questioned" other than Mandarics that's not because i think he is virtuous but he is a hard nosed businessman, and however much the figures regarding his investment in the club amount to , i'm pretty sure if the club is a failure then he will be the biggest loser ( either directly financially or by the tarred brush of failure that affects his future dealings ) i believe his hard earned reputation as a "winner" means very much to him I'd agree with that. Apart from sacking Allen I don't think he's done much wrong since, and if he couldn't work with Allen that was unavoidable anyway. He seems to be keeping his nose out of transfers now too, which is also a plus. If his statement backing Holloway proves not to be for show, I'll be pleased with the bloke.
Daggers Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 i think anyones commitment to the club can be "questioned" other than Mandarics Let's see how committed to the club he would be if we ever got into the Premiership...
Head Honcho Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 i think anyones commitment to the club can be "questioned" other than Mandarics that's not because i think he is virtuous but he is a hard nosed businessman, and however much the figures regarding his investment in the club amount to , i'm pretty sure if the club is a failure then he will be the biggest loser ( either directly financially or by the tarred brush of failure that affects his future dealings ) i believe his hard earned reputation as a "winner" means very much to him It may do but he's not going to throw good money after bad forever. Let's all be honest with each other shall we-MM bought this club for one reason-to make money!
Daggers Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Let's all be honest with each other shall we-MM bought this club for one reason-to make money! And I bet he's starting to wish he'd got that job-lot of Northern Rock shares instead
davieG Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 i think anyones commitment to the club can be "questioned" other than Mandarics that's not because i think he is virtuous but he is a hard nosed businessman, and however much the figures regarding his investment in the club amount to , i'm pretty sure if the club is a failure then he will be the biggest loser ( either directly financially or by the tarred brush of failure that affects his future dealings ) i believe his hard earned reputation as a "winner" means very much to him Hard-nosed businessmen have perfected the art of deserting sinking ships without a single blemish on their reputations (pre-supposing he has a reputation that's worth anything). They also seem to manage to do it without losing a single penny in fact many failed businesses these days seem to provide the proprietor with a profit, they have their ways and means of protecting their so called investment, call me cynical, and I am but unless my signature comes true and the Walkers sinks into the canal I doubt there are any circumstances under which MM will depart that will leave him out of pocket.
Zingari Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Hard-nosed businessmen have perfected the art of deserting sinking ships without a single blemish on their reputations (pre-supposing he has a reputation that's worth anything). They also seem to manage to do it without losing a single penny in fact many failed businesses these days seem to provide the proprietor with a profit, they have their ways and means of protecting their so called investment, call me cynical, and I am but unless my signature comes true and the Walkers sinks into the canal I doubt there are any circumstances under which MM will depart that will leave him out of pocket. thats not my point though; its whether his reputation as a "winner" is still intact that matters most ( probably far more than we as ordinary fans can imagine ) its whats called an alpha male ego thing or something i would not know much about it
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