Father Ted Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Here here,maybe if he'd not meddled with transfers and concentrated his efforts on other issues our league position might have been a little healthier.Milan sacked Kelly,appointed Worthinghton,let Worthington go,appointed Allen,sacked Allen,appointed Smegson,lost Smegson and appointed Ollie,and would have to have given his blessing to each and every single transfer and loan over the last 12 months,so who else is to blame for our current plight?. And one final thing (and this really make's my blood boil) I don't want to read all the bollox about £11 mil investment because that's all we are an investment and a "means to an end",just a way of making money and nothing more but remember this, if it wasn't for the countless faithful shelling out their hard earned week after week,month after month,year after year and decade after decade spending money that sometime's they could ill-afford to support and be entertained by the boys in blue there would'nt have been a Leicester City for him to invest in! I cannot believe some people. Had Milan not bought us then we would not own the Walkers Stadium, we would not be able to afford players like Steve Howard and Oakley but would have to look towards free transfers and we would not be financially safe. We would get lower attendances as a result of high ticket pricing because of the lack of money and could have affected the playing side. Without Milan we could be in League 1 right now and signing the likes of failed championship players. Milan has given stability to the club, the money for good signings, a stadium that is owned by us and a better prospect for the future. So for all those criticisers of Milan, the only place that I can assume that you are unhappy with him for is because of the results and thats down to one man - big mouth. But you won't criticise him will you?? You should learn to assess situations before opening your mouth - ow What a coincidence, just like big mouth.
Zingari Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Let's see how committed to the club he would be if we ever got into the Premiership... but then my point stands ; in those circumstances it would not matter to him ( or us) as he will be seen leaving as a "winner" and will move on to the next predatory situation that he feeds on providing of course he is still young enough
davieG Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 I cannot believe some people. Had Milan not bought us then we would not own the Walkers Stadium, we would not be able to afford players like Steve Howard and Oakley but would have to look towards free transfers and we would not be financially safe. We would get lower attendances as a result of high ticket pricing because of the lack of money and could have affected the playing side. Without Milan we could be in League 1 right now and signing the likes of failed championship players. Milan has given stability to the club, the money for good signings, a stadium that is owned by us and a better prospect for the future. So for all those criticisers of Milan, the only place that I can assume that you are unhappy with him for is because of the results and thats down to one man - big mouth. But you won't criticise him will you?? You should learn to assess situations before opening your mouth - ow What a coincidence, just like big mouth. We don't own the Walkers Stadium!
breadandcheese Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 We don't own the Walkers Stadium! You could have picked many holes in his post alongside that factual anomaly. Has Milan kept our ticket prices lower? Really? Or has his arrival had no impact on ticket-pricing strategies. Without Milan we could be in league 1. Similarly, without Milan, we could be in the championship doing just as badly, or maybe better. We could have been challenging for a play-off place. The point is we don't know, but if I was to guess, if Milan had not come, we would be in the same position, but with less loans backed against future incomes of Leicester City.
Ashley Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 People are gettin me more and more angry!!FFS please get off MM's back. If it wasn't for him we might not even be in existence right now or we could be languishing in League 1. I would be right pi55ed off if I read some of the drivel on here from a minor few knowing that I'd put £11 million of my own hard-earned cash into the club, as yet with no reward. Admittedly progress has been painfully slow but he has had to shake the club up from its foundations and pretty much start again. When will people realise that we dont have a divine right to be amongst the elite and we are going to have to work for it. I know the performances recently have been dire but Ollie and MM both need time. Rome wasn't built in a day. Show some gratitude please! Rant over. Agreed
Joe. Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 I don't blame Milan. This club has been a joke for 8 years now, which he cannot be held accountable for. Ok, so he's not really massively helped matters during his tenure. He's made some bizarre decisions, but it's becoming more and more evident that there's something seriously and probably terminally wrong with this club and the solutions to the problems won't come over night.I wouldn't blame Mandaric if he fooked off and left us, he's 69 and could probably do without a few more years like the one he's just had, even if he's caused a lot of the pain and embarrassment. We've got to hope and pray that things fall in to place, there's a rot set in and it doesn't matter what owner takes over, what manager is installed or what new set of players are bought in, we still struggle. My gut instincts would to say that Holloway has proven he's good enough at this level, enough so for us not to go and change our manager yet again. Mandaric has proven he 'can' bring success to teams eventually and anyway he owns the gaff, he can do what he wants. That leaves, getting a whole new team again. I mean a whole new team. Any player that has played for us since before the end of 2007 (prior to the transfer window) should be gotten rid of. Henderson, Kisnorbo, McAuley, Stearman, Chambers, N'Gotty, Mattock, Hume, Clemence, Wesolowski, Kishishev, Hayes, Fryatt, DJ, the list goes on. All these players that have been here long enough to be infected by the cancer at our club, get rid. The newbies, such as Oakley, Alnwick and Howard, they can probably be saved. But all the others, get rid and start again. A new ethos, start from scratch without the pre-conceived negativity installed in to people when they get involved with the club. It might be wise to shoot all season ticket holders, members and regular Blue Armyers who have followed the club in the last few years. Start again, perhaps even move. Take the club off to another country perhaps, Scudamore would love that. The Gaza Strip might be an untapped hotbed for us. I think you've pretty much nailed it there Ric. The only thing I'd disagree with is getting rid of every one of those players. Some of there are good enough for us and can be valuable players.
davieG Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 You could have picked many holes in his post alongside that factual anomaly.Has Milan kept our ticket prices lower? Really? Or has his arrival had no impact on ticket-pricing strategies. Without Milan we could be in league 1. Similarly, without Milan, we could be in the championship doing just as badly, or maybe better. We could have been challenging for a play-off place. The point is we don't know, but if I was to guess, if Milan had not come, we would be in the same position, but with less loans backed against future incomes of Leicester City. I could but it's frustrating that people still believe that MM has invested £25mil, bought the stadium and got rid of all our debts!
davieG Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 I think you've pretty much nailed it there Ric. The only thing I'd disagree with is getting rid of every one of those players. Some of there are good enough for us and can be valuable players. I suspect he's not questioning their ability as such more their mentality.
breadandcheese Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 I could but it's frustrating that people still believe that MM has invested £25mil, bought the stadium and got rid of all our debts! I heard he cured AIDS in that time too, he's just waiting on clearance from the relevant health authorities. Next up is world poverty I believe. I've heard Bono is sh*tting it. In all seriousness, Milan is a skilled manipulator of the press and very adept at his pr. I personally wasn't happy with his conduct throughout the takeover discussions as I feel the media is no place to conduct sensitive negotiations, especially on an emotive issue like football. It's looks like he's done his job because a lot of posts firmly believe that without him we would be in oblivion and that we should be sucking his perma-tan balls because we're on the cusp of greatness (albeit we are in a worse league position than this time last year and have more debts to the club's name).
Ric Flair Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 I suspect he's not questioning their ability as such more their mentality.
Joe. Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 I suspect he's not questioning their ability as such more their mentality. I see where he's coming from, but a mentality can be changed. Most of the squad does need to be changed, but the few that are good enough ability wise should be kept. With better players playing around them they can change their mentality. A fresh start is needed all around after this season's over.
Head Honcho Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 I see where he's coming from, but a mentality can be changed.Most of the squad does need to be changed, but the few that are good enough ability wise should be kept. With better players playing around them they can change their mentality. A fresh start is needed all around after this season's over. You've just contradicted yourself in three paragraphs
davieG Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 I see where he's coming from, but a mentality can be changed.Most of the squad does need to be changed, but the few that are good enough ability wise should be kept. With better players playing around them they can change their mentality. A fresh start is needed all around after this season's over. CAN being the key word but as successive managers have failed I think, baring a miracle it's not going to happen.
Joe. Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 You've just contradicted yourself in three paragraphs No not really. Maybe it wasn't worded the best.... I meant that a fresh start is needed at this club. Most of the playing staff need to go. But the ones that are good enough should stay (and there are only a few). The ones that stay can change the mentality that they've had for the last few seasons.
Joe. Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 CAN being the key word but as successive managers have failed I think, baring a miracle it's not going to happen. It all depends whats going to change. If nothing or very little changes then yes, I'd agree it's not going to happen. But if this team is completely revamped then I think things can change for the better. By the way, I'm talking next season and beyond when I say this.
davieG Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 thats not my point though; its whether his reputation as a "winner" is still intact that matters most ( probably far more than we as ordinary fans can imagine )its whats called an alpha male ego thing or something i would not know much about it If it happen we wouldn't be the first club he's 'failed' as I understand it he's hardly been a roaring success anywhere before Portsmouth.
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 15 February 2008 Author Posted 15 February 2008 I heard he cured AIDS in that time too, he's just waiting on clearance from the relevant health authorities. Next up is world poverty I believe. I've heard Bono is sh*tting it.In all seriousness, Milan is a skilled manipulator of the press and very adept at his pr. I personally wasn't happy with his conduct throughout the takeover discussions as I feel the media is no place to conduct sensitive negotiations, especially on an emotive issue like football. It's looks like he's done his job because a lot of posts firmly believe that without him we would be in oblivion and that we should be sucking his perma-tan balls because we're on the cusp of greatness (albeit we are in a worse league position than this time last year and have more debts to the club's name). Where, in all honesty, do u think we would be without MM now?? (Not bein a sarccy sod, just want to know your honest opinion)....
Head Honcho Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Where, in all honesty, do u think we would be without MM now?? (Not bein a sarccy sod, just want to know your honest opinion).... Probably not far from where we are now.
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 15 February 2008 Author Posted 15 February 2008 Probably not far from where we are now. I believe we would be worse off. Much worse off....
Head Honcho Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 I believe we would be worse off. Much worse off.... ............and you're certain of that are you?
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 15 February 2008 Author Posted 15 February 2008 ............and you're certain of that are you? No, and I never professed that I was...
Head Honcho Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 I believe we would be worse off. Much worse off.... How much worse off could we be? League 1 or out of business take your pick!
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 15 February 2008 Author Posted 15 February 2008 How much worse off could we be? League 1 or out of business take your pick! League 1 for me doin a Bournemouth
breadandcheese Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Where, in all honesty, do u think we would be without MM now?? (Not bein a sarccy sod, just want to know your honest opinion).... As Headhoncho said, probably in exactly the same position we are now. I don't think we would have gone down. I don't think we would have ceased to exist nor gone into admin. I think we would have struggled on, with limited money to spend, trying to keep things tight, like a lot of other clubs in this league (many of which are doing far better than us). We would have continued to reduce our wage bill to more manageable levels (rather than the reported £15,000 per week to N'Gotty, which has now resulted in wage inflation at City with the likes of MacAuley asking why they are not earning at least half of that when they are actually playing first team football). We may even have sold one or two of our more saleable assets, such as Kisnorbo, Hume or Fryatt, but would hopefully have replaced these with some similar players. I'm not one to be worried about selling our best players because it seems we (as a club) frequently mis-time selling our players (e.g. Maybury & Hughes - could have sold them both when they first impressed as there was interest, but insted we got nothing and had to pay them off). All in all, we would be much of a muchness in the same position, muddling on, hoping for the board to appoint a good manager to revive our fortunes, without interference nor unrealistic expectations. Of the team we are currently playing, the defence is virtually the same as last season. The midfield and forward line are different but they are equally as poor at combining and playing as an effective unit.
James. Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Maybe we would have been in the same position, maybe not. But if Milan hadn't taken over there would just be one long tunnel with no light at the end. At least now we have that light, however far away it seems at the minute. I strongly believe Milan won't leave until he has achieved some kind of success. Without him that success would be a hell of a lot further away than it seems now. For me it's about potential. We didn't have any before, we do now. Optimistic maybe, but a much healthier viewpoint than that adopted by the Milan haters.
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