Dont Blame Milan....

[breadandcheese]

Maybe we would have been in the same position, maybe not.

But if Milan hadn't taken over there would just be one long tunnel with no light at the end. At least now we have that light, however far away it seems at the minute. I strongly believe Milan won't leave until he has achieved some kind of success. Without him that success would be a hell of a lot further away than it seems now.

For me it's about potential. We didn't have any before, we do now.

Optimistic maybe, but a much healthier viewpoint than that adopted by the Milan haters.

Let me make my position clear. I am not a Milan hater. I have not yet taken a view on him as to whether he is good for the long-term future of Leicester City. For me, the jury is out and I won't make a judgement one way or the other for at least another year or two.

What I do hate is this false adoration of Milan, based on false assumptions and quoting of false figures that seems to be bandied about.

Expressions of, "without Milan our club would not exist" or this figure of £25 million bandied around. This almost idolatry for the chairman because he knows PR and knows how to present himself as a saviour.

I dislike the way he operates through the media. It was unfair on the existing shareholders to use the media during the takeover battle and stoke up such resentment against them. These were, after all, the people who did put their own money in to save the club from going out of existence. It was unfair on the fans to mislead them with leaks of half-truth figures such as £25 million for the takeover of the club.

However, these are short-term aspects despite them sitting uncomfortably with me. I appreciate t's unfair to judge Milan on a plan that, in his own admission is 3 years, as let's be honest, there are always nasty surprises that you can't legislate for. At the moment, the plan is going badly wrong, but it is still too short term for me to take a distinct view. So at the moment, whilst I have question marks, that's all they are.

[Sniffer-Clarke]

Here here,maybe if he'd not meddled with transfers and concentrated his efforts on other issues our league position might have been a little healthier.

Milan sacked Kelly,appointed Worthinghton,let Worthington go,appointed Allen,sacked Allen,appointed Smegson,lost Smegson and appointed Ollie,and would have to have given his blessing to each and every single transfer and loan over the last 12 months,so who else is to blame for our current plight?.

And one final thing (and this really make's my blood boil) I don't want to read all the bollox about £11 mil investment because that's all we are an investment and a "means to an end",just a way of making money and nothing more but remember this, if it wasn't for the countless faithful shelling out their hard earned week after week,month after month,year after year and decade after decade spending money that sometime's they could ill-afford to support and be entertained by the boys in blue there would'nt have been a Leicester City for him to invest in!

Yes, That sounds about right mate, MM says hes spent £11 mill but alot of that as gone on paying contracts off ie managers, chief excs,players.But unfortunatly £11 mill is not alot of money in football terms if hes whingeing about the dosh he should never have bought the club in the first place.If you buy a rolls royce you dont usually worry about putting the fuel in.

[davieG]

Let me make my position clear. I am not a Milan hater. I have not yet taken a view on him as to whether he is good for the long-term future of Leicester City. For me, the jury is out and I won't make a judgement one way or the other for at least another year or two.

What I do hate is this false adoration of Milan, based on false assumptions and quoting of false figures that seems to be bandied about.

Expressions of, "without Milan our club would not exist" or this figure of £25 million bandied around. This almost idolatry for the chairman because he knows PR and knows how to present himself as a saviour.

I dislike the way he operates through the media. It was unfair on the existing shareholders to use the media during the takeover battle and stoke up such resentment against them. These were, after all, the people who did put their own money in to save the club from going out of existence. It was unfair on the fans to mislead them with leaks of half-truth figures such as £25 million for the takeover of the club.

However, these are short-term aspects despite them sitting uncomfortably with me. I appreciate t's unfair to judge Milan on a plan that, in his own admission is 3 years, as let's be honest, there are always nasty surprises that you can't legislate for. At the moment, the plan is going badly wrong, but it is still too short term for me to take a distinct view. So at the moment, whilst I have question marks, that's all they are.

What b&c said plus this thread pretty much suggested that MM should be above criticism which I profoundly disagree with.

[AyewJoking]

Apparently there have been times where he felt like giving it up. That says a lot. He has not done a good job and if we do sink to League One, who's to say Milan wont call it quits and really leave us in the shít.

Yeah yeah we're so greatful to Milan for buying the club and spending 11 million but face facts, he shoulders some of the blame. Not as much as the players and managers but he is the man behind all of it.

[James.]

Let me make my position clear. I am not a Milan hater. I have not yet taken a view on him as to whether he is good for the long-term future of Leicester City. For me, the jury is out and I won't make a judgement one way or the other for at least another year or two.

What I do hate is this false adoration of Milan, based on false assumptions and quoting of false figures that seems to be bandied about.

Expressions of, "without Milan our club would not exist" or this figure of £25 million bandied around. This almost idolatry for the chairman because he knows PR and knows how to present himself as a saviour.

I dislike the way he operates through the media. It was unfair on the existing shareholders to use the media during the takeover battle and stoke up such resentment against them. These were, after all, the people who did put their own money in to save the club from going out of existence. It was unfair on the fans to mislead them with leaks of half-truth figures such as £25 million for the takeover of the club.

However, these are short-term aspects despite them sitting uncomfortably with me. I appreciate t's unfair to judge Milan on a plan that, in his own admission is 3 years, as let's be honest, there are always nasty surprises that you can't legislate for. At the moment, the plan is going badly wrong, but it is still too short term for me to take a distinct view. So at the moment, whilst I have question marks, that's all they are.

I wasn't referring to you as a Milan hater. Although I can see why you might have thought so being as I replied so soon after your post.

I am pretty much in agreement with you on all of what you say. The point I was making is that some people are suggesting it has made no positive difference having Milan here. What these people are failing to acknowledge is that with Milan we have something that we wouldn't have if he hadn't bought the club. And that is potential and hope.

While we still have those I'll keep supporting him (while at the same time acknowledging the mistakes he has made). He certainly isn't above criticism - he's in charge of the club we all love. But I still think it is crucial to be behind him.

Unity amongst all factions of the club is what we need along with stability, balance and spirit - things we haven't had at the club for far too long. And we will continue to struggle without them.

[Guest ttfn]

I have to echo many previous posters' comments.

Leicester City was in financial trouble when MM took over. But it was NOT going into administration. The 3 directors (AT, GC and JJ) with the most business experience resigned from the old board before the takeover because they felt that they could not support the bid as it was not beneficial to shareholders or the club. These men are all committed City fans and experienced businessmen so they would not have taken the club into administration just to stop MM from taking over. There was a plan in place should MM have not taken over.

As I've said in another thread, this £11m figure is almost certainly rubbish. As was the £25m beforehand. If the £11m figure is to be believed I think we can be sure that at least £1-2million has been going on paying off managers and giving them signing on fees. RK would have been entitled to £200k and Allen to at least £500k.

Obviously without MM we would not have players like Oakley, Clemence, Howard and Campbell but they have contributed very little. It is true that the club may have had to sell assets such as Kisnorbo or Stearman but we had a decent enough squad to stay up last year and would do again this year. The fact is that it's been a whole year and now is the time to start to judge MM. And we've regressed.

Mandaric has a lot to answer for. In fact 20,000 fans week in week out. Why have we not progressed? Is it the players or the managers? if it's the manager then why has he appointed them? If it's the players then why is a manager in place who is buying poor players?

Is the club 'poisonous'? Many have forgotten such a disappointing comment. The club has been afflicted by many problems and the pre-MM period was horrible. But this isn't any better. We're going down in an embarrassing fashion. I'm at uni so in term time can only catch the TV games or ones in the NE but I was ashamed to watch the Plymouth and Palace games with my mates, being as they were appalling displays of ineptitude. You would have thought that a year down the line things may have changed.

Don't blame MM entirely. But he is just as culpable as Holloway, Kelly, Megson and the players for the state we're in.

[Joe.]

Let's be straight here- I'm thankful we have Milan and I will support him throughout his reign here.

Nobody can say what would happen without him because we just don't know but I predict that we'd probably be in a mess still. I'd say even more of a mess to be honest.

But Milan has his faults clearly and has to take some of the rap for all of this. He's made big mistakes in his time here, the whole dealing of the Allen situation, the hiring of Megson and his general unpredictability is worrying. I fear that he'll make a rash decision soon in Holloway's future.

Without Milan though our future would undoubtedly look grim. We weren't in the greatest situation financially beforehand, so we at least have that in our favour now. Without Milan's money I couldn't see us making any sort of claim for a promotion push. I've said before, we need to just get to the end of this season and then the major work begins.

[Head Honcho]

Contrary to popular belief their are investors out there willing to invest in clubs like ours-we had may potential buyers before Milan came along and we'll have many more when he's gone.

It's well documented that we had potenetial buyers for the club but the legal ins and outs prevented a lot of them from going any further. Milan came on the scene and our board at the time saw this as the only option and so stymied anymore interest from other parties.

[Sparky]

People are gettin me more and more angry!!

FFS please get off MM's back. If it wasn't for him we might not even be in existence right now or we could be languishing in League 1. I would be right pi55ed off if I read some of the drivel on here from a minor few knowing that I'd put £11 million of my own hard-earned cash into the club, as yet with no reward.

Admittedly progress has been painfully slow but he has had to shake the club up from its foundations and pretty much start again. When will people realise that we dont have a divine right to be amongst the elite and we are going to have to work for it.

I know the performances recently have been dire but Ollie and MM both need time. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Show some gratitude please!

Rant over.

So glad you posted that on here rather than boring me with that tonight

I try not to jump in to this "blame game" but i understand the many views on here of frustration and support of what MM has done here . I was furious with MM when he sacked Allen as i thought he would do alright down here , im led to belive that it wasnt Allen on the pitch that was the problem and maybe MM ego and Allens ego were always gonna clash , however i do think MM will get it right eventually but i think he absolutley must stick with Holloway and live or die by him , another manager now wouldnt help us 1 bit in my opinion

[Raj]

Contrary to popular belief their are investors out there willing to invest in clubs like ours-we had may potential buyers before Milan came along and we'll have many more when he's gone.

It's well documented that we had potenetial buyers for the club but the legal ins and outs prevented a lot of them from going any further. Milan came on the scene and our board at the time saw this as the only option and so stymied anymore interest from other parties.

There has been many a years when investors could have invested in Us.

Easy to talk the talk,not so easy to put hand in pocket.

Too many people in Lester have short arms and long pockets!

MM has made mistakes but we were in T'shit before he came,atleast he's given us a few players who we normally wouldnt have signed(Clemo,Oakley,DJ,Howard!)and the excitement of not knowing what the fcuk will happen next!

I blame the mentality of the players more than MM.

It seems easy to say "well they've been crap for so long,it dont matter if im crap too"

Oh well...im sure Rosemary Conley,Engleburt Humperdick,the bloke who builds the houses,Lee Ryan(lottery ex-millionaire!)Bill Maynard,Rustie Lee,Gary Lineker etc... can all chip in and buy Milan out!!!

[Ric Flair]

Contrary to popular belief their are investors out there willing to invest in clubs like ours-we had may potential buyers before Milan came along and we'll have many more when he's gone.

It's well documented that we had potenetial buyers for the club but the legal ins and outs prevented a lot of them from going any further. Milan came on the scene and our board at the time saw this as the only option and so stymied anymore interest from other parties.

I didn't quite see it like that at the time, but you may be right. These 'other' investors may have never come to fruition because a) they may never have existed or b) they only existed when Mandaric became interested in a kind of 'well if he wants to buy the club, then perhaps it's something we should be looking at'. Had there been any serious other buyers though, surely the board wouldn't have been held over a barrel like they were with Mandaric who kept changing the price of the buy-out.

[Manwell Pablo]

Other investors. This is just crap that certain members of the forum would like to have us believe so they can carry on pedling anti Mandaric crap. We were desperate for investment from 2002, and we didn't get it until 2007, am I suppose to believe they were other parties interested with more financial clout than Milan that just happened to turn up when he did, if so where the fook had they been for the five years previous. Show me evidence there were other people interested/are interested now and I'll might admit Milan buying the club was a bad thing.

[Head Honcho]

Other investors. This is just crap that certain members of the forum would like to have us believe so they can carry on pedling anti Mandaric crap. We were desperate for investment from 2002, and we didn't get it until 2007, am I suppose to believe they were other parties interested with more financial clout than Milan that just happened to turn up when he did, if so where the fook had they been for the five years previous. Show me evidence there were other people interested/are interested now and I'll might admit Milan buying the club was a bad thing.

You only have to look at investments made in other clubs since MM's arrival to see there is investment out there if you look for it-something our board were very shy about doing

Listen I'm far from anti-MM but you can't say he's not at fault for our current plight.

His first mistake was to keep Rob Kelly on as manager his second was to appoint Martin Allen and his third was to sanction all of his crazy signings and make a few of his own.

A decent appointment at the start of his tenure and we would have had none of this bollox.

[lookwhaticando]

You only have to look at investments made in other clubs since MM's arrival to see there is investment out there if you look for it-something our board were very shy about doing

Listen I'm far from anti-MM but you can't say he's not at fault for our current plight.

His first mistake was to keep Rob Kelly on as manager his second was to appoint Martin Allen and his third was to sanction all of his crazy signings and make a few of his own.

A decent appointment at the start of his tenure and we would have had none of this bollox.

His second mistake was not to appoint Allen, but to not appoint Worthington full-time.

[Head Honcho]

His second mistake was not to appoint Allen, but to not appoint Worthington full-time.

I think the fans had more to do with that then MM.

He wasn't too popular with many of us was he? In fact I'd say he was reviled.

[lookwhaticando]

We could've done a whole lot worse than keeping him on...

In fact, we probably did.

[Houdini Logic]

Milan has only spent so much money because he has had to pay off the crap managers he has brought in.

Should have got his wallet out and paid the bucks for Fulop. Big mistake.

[Raj]

Milan has only spent so much money because he has had to pay off the crap managers he has brought in.

Should have got his wallet out and paid the bucks for Fulop. Big mistake.

Would Fulop have made us score more goals?

Or got the other 10 players to play better???

Is Fulop the answer to our 4 years of shite and total misery???

[Guest]

Would Fulop have made us score more goals?

Or got the other 10 players to play better???

Is Fulop the answer to our 4 years of shite and total misery???

Chances are he would've been played as a striker at some point if he was still here

[Houdini Logic]

Would Fulop have made us score more goals?

Or got the other 10 players to play better???

Is Fulop the answer to our 4 years of shite and total misery???

There are two parts which make up football mate = scoring goals and conceeding goals

Do you not know how good the defensive record was for that short era (even if every game did result in a draw)? If not i suggest you do some reading.

If you have a reliable defence then you can spend your time concentrating on the other areas which are failing. Though Holloway has started to get a grasp in midfield this team would be so much stronger if it had the reliablilty it used to have in defence. If that was the case we could concentrate on getting goals.

[Raj]

There are two parts which make up football mate = scoring goals and conceeding goals

Do you not know how good the defensive record was for that short era (even if every game did result in a draw)? If not i suggest you do some reading.

If you have a reliable defence then you can spend your time concentrating on the other areas which are failing. Though Holloway has started to get a grasp in midfield this team would be so much stronger if it had the reliablilty it used to have in defence. If that was the case we could concentrate on getting goals.

Being held to ransom for £3million for Fulop( however good he was for s) doent exactly send out the right vibes does it.

Especially as he is now at Sland warming his arse on the bench.

Anyway,personally i dont think Alnwick is a bad keeper.

I think our best defensive days recently were under Megson not Oliie.

Also our Goals for column is a joke.

Goals=Win you games.

If we drew every game,we'd be down!

[Father Ted]

Milan has only spent so much money because he has had to pay off the crap managers he has brought in.

Should have got his wallet out and paid the bucks for Fulop. Big mistake.

I know, we should have definitely have bought Fulop but it was Ollie who didn't want him so don't blame Milan for another of Ollie's mistakes.

[clazkel]

Milan has only spent so much money because he has had to pay off the crap managers he has brought in.

Should have got his wallet out and paid the bucks for Fulop. Big mistake.

Just what i was thinking. Fulop was over priced but he was well worth every penny. Alnwick is a great shot stopper, but he doesn't command the defence like Fulop did and i think this is the reason why the defence (especially McAuley) have looked ropey lately.

[davieG]

Whatever but it does provide for some entertaining rumours - No

From another forum

Got a text on Monday saying that Ollie told some one who works at the club that he his slinging his hook, he says he don't run the team MM does, Hume was having talks with Preston, Norris was all sorted to come to us and MM put a stop to it. Couldn't post anything till l got back from Spain as my account seemed to have gone tits up, just registered again. Can't back any of this up, but things ain't right with this bloke running the club and nothing would suprise me. Ho yeh nearly forgot they say he said he knew f-all about the 2 wingers coming.

[Flynny]

Whatever but it does provide for some entertaining rumours - No

From another forum

No way thats true, it's been said that Holloway and Penrice had their eye on the wingers at Plymouth.