FleckneyFox Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 So angry after todays defeat. I dont know how long Ollie has got left, Personally i think the Preston game decides it. Ive been behind Ollie all the way so far but im now very bitter. I wouldnt be to bothered if he was sacked now we are far to inconsistentand for the first time this season im REALLY worrying about relegation which just cant happen. Billy Davies for me? Mods please dont delete just a thread for people to voice their opinion on a very real possibility. Your thoughts?
Bryn Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 Is the question "Will it happen?" or "Do you want it to happen?"? No to both atm, though the first one may change between now and the end of the season. The latter won't achieve much.
sdb Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 JEEZ lets give him a proper chance. this club he's taken over is a mess from top to bottom. it's gonna take more than a few months to sort out then again, mourinho's still unemployed... can we challenge barca for him? yeh, lets sack ollie and give it a go!!
AyewJoking Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 Argh! You've got to give him time but i feel he has been rubbish since he got here. Pretty clueless. How is that going to change in time? The players are morons too, constantly letting us down with below par "performances". You've just got to sit tight and keep the faith
Corky Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 Shut up. This club is in a mess, and it was long before Holloway arrived. If you are angry, direct it at the players.
FleckneyFox Posted 23 February 2008 Author Posted 23 February 2008 Shut up. This club is in a mess, and it was long before Holloway arrived. If you are angry, direct it at the players. Yeh but we cant change the playing staff. Ive never called for Ollies head before but we cant afford to be relegated he should get at least until after the Preston game.
lookwhaticando Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 With Mandaric at the helm, you get the feeling each and every manager is only ever about 45 minutes of football away from the chop. Who knows where this leaves Ollie. I don't think he'll get the boot... yet. Nor do I think he should get the boot... yet.
LeeCovFox Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 With Mandaric at the helm, you get the feeling each and every manager is only ever about 45 minutes of football away from the chop.Who knows where this leaves Ollie. I don't think he'll get the boot... yet. Nor do I think he should get the boot... yet. I don't think he should be sacked, as I think given the chance he will be a good manager for us. But I do worry that Mandaric will pull the trigger. These rumours haven't surfaced form nowhere, and I've said before, Dowie is the man Mandaric would like here in an ideal world. I really believe that Milan is waiting for another losing streak, so he can justify a change at the top again. I hope I'm wrong though.
Tevez Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 Talking about sacking him is bullshit. But he must get rid of the shit here and base a team around the few that are decent.
Thracian Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 Shut up. This club is in a mess, and it was long before Holloway arrived. If you are angry, direct it at the players. But these are Ollie's players. It was the rest he effectively got shut of or exiled. Seems to me he's quickly conjured up a shed load of problems. He's called the previous players and picked instead his Chosen Men. Pity they have such shortcomings. Indeed they've shown no consistent signs of rescuing the situation, especially on their travels. And now you have to wonder if they ousted ones will be desperate to try to change things bearing in mind what has happened. Personally I'd doubt it. In fact if I were some of them I think I'd sooner see the back of him.
Thracian Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 Talking about sacking him is bullshit. But he must get rid of the shit here and base a team around the few that are decent. Which few are you talking about?
LeeCovFox Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 But these are Ollie's players. It was the rest he effectively got shut of or exiled. Seems to me he's quickly conjured up a shed load of problems. He's called the previous players and picked instead his Chosen Men. Pity they have such shortcomings. Indeed they've shown no consistent signs of rescuing the situation, especially on their travels. And now you have to wonder if they ousted ones will be desperate to try to change things bearing in mind what has happened. Personally I'd doubt it. In fact if I were some of them I think I'd sooner see the back of him. I really think the issue is not the quality of the players Ollie has brought in, but the pervading atmosphere of gloom around the club. It can effect all players, new and old as I've said earlier, I believe a period away from competitive football, i.e pre season, is needed badly. At the risk of sounding like a cheesy PE teacher, the players need to rediscover the fun of playing again. If they are enjoying their football, it will show in the quality of the football played, and the results will follow. I feel sorry for Ollie. He came in to this club blinded by the "bigger club" factor, and found a mess he didn't realise was possible.
Lets Be having You Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 If we sack ollie,this club will become the laughing stock of football,Its the Players,they should stand up and admit there shit,we have had 5/6 managers who have tried to manage this lot,and none have managed to string back/back wins,so sacking ollie would be madness,lets hope we can again hang on ,and not be playing the trees,next season,then ollie,can sort this lot out and get rid of the deadwood,
Darkzzz_ Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 Just back now.... i am so gutted... i blame the players... they are letting us all down
AyewJoking Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 I really think the issue is not the quality of the players Ollie has brought in, but the pervading atmosphere of gloom around the club. It can effect all players, new and old as I've said earlier, I believe a period away from competitive football, i.e pre season, is needed badly. At the risk of sounding like a cheesy PE teacher, the players need to rediscover the fun of playing again. If they are enjoying their football, it will show in the quality of the football played, and the results will follow. I feel sorry for Ollie. He came in to this club blinded by the "bigger club" factor, and found a mess he didn't realise was possible. rediscover the fun of playing? fook that, we're in a relegation battle, pull your finger out and look like you give a damn! (the players, not leecovfox)
lildave3 Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 So angry after todays defeat. I dont know how long Ollie has got left, Personally i think the Preston game decides it. Ive been behind Ollie all the way so far but im now very bitter. I wouldnt be to bothered if he was sacked now we are far to inconsistent and for the first time this season im REALLY worrying about relegation which just cant happen. Billy Davies for me?Mods please dont delete just a thread for people to voice their opinion on a very real possibility. Your thoughts? Do you not think part of that is because we keep changing managers?
LeeCovFox Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 Which few are you talking about? In my view, talent wise, we have a core of players wh are capable of making us a top half side, but no more. I think Kisnorbo, Oakley, Clemence, Howard and Campbell are those players. Mattock and Stearman, despite some of the criticism they receive on here, will develop into very good players given time. Gradel looks as though he has potential, but whether he is given a chance remains to be seen. I've read a number of your posts, Thracian, and I am in agreement with you on your philosophies on how football should be played, and on the promotion of youth players. But also, I believe we have the basis of a good side here, but that we are lacking any creativity, which I feel needs to come from out wide, with wingers, and full backs capable of making runs and putting balls into the penalty area. I think Mattock will develop into a player who can do that, whilst I feel Stearman has a lot to learn about the attacking side of the game if he does settle permanantly into the right back position. Although I also feel that centre back is a likely option for him when it comes to finding a permanent position.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 Do you not think part of that is because we keep changing managers? Nail - head - hit
FleckneyFox Posted 23 February 2008 Author Posted 23 February 2008 Do you not think part of that is because we keep changing managers? I dont know we were never really like this under Megson. as far as im concerned this is the worst result of our season. its the fact that we beat the like of Palace and Norwich on good runs and we lose to Blackpool and Coventry who arent doing great. All i know is we are in big trouble people and im worried. I think the players have a big part in how bad we're doing BUT you cant sack 20-25 players....Somethings got to change and i have a very nasty feeling this result will bring confidence to an all time low and the players heads are going to drop
Flynny Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 You're being ridiculous. You're angry after a loss, fine, have a wank or something and approach it with a calm head. Changing managers isn't going to change anything.
Thracian Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 I dont know we were never really like this under Megson. as far as im concerned this is the worst result of our season. its the fact that we beat the like of Palace and Norwich on good runs and we lose to Blackpool and Coventry who arent doing great. All i know is we are in big trouble people and im worried. I think the players have a big part in how bad we're doing BUT you cant sack 20-25 players.... You're right. I was never a fan of Megson's approach but the difference between him and Holloway was that Megson knew exactly what he wanted. He employed a certain approach and everyone knew their role in that approach. Holloway's hit and miss because he doesn't seem to analyse things accurately and use the right tools for whatever job he's tackling next. Brief example Laczko. He never plays well away so why pick him. Yes I knew he would be picked because he played okay last time. Bugt because a horse runs well on firm, fast ground doesn't mean he'll be any good in heavy conditions. Interesting to note how we did with Stearman out and the marks Chambers got in his place.
mat_j101 Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 To sack him now would be absolute complete stupidity. The performance last Saturday showed how he can get a team playing - we passed it well, were confident, utlised the sending off, and finished well. Given time i believe he will get them playing like that regularly. Even the best team in the world can go from totally dominating a team one week to a poor performance the next. This club badly badly needs stability, and so im gonna really stick my neck out here and say that even if we were to get relegated this season (which i really honestly believe we wont), i would stick with Holloway for the following season. For the sake of this club we must must must stick with Holloway, back him well, and give him at the bare minimum a full season in charge to stand any chance of improving this club in the long run and getting back on track to get promoted. If we keep sacking managers, getting rid of half the squad, and signing a load of new ones in a week we are never going to amount to anything. I hate how fickle some people are - last week half the fans would have taken a bullet for him, now they're giving him one week. Its bloody ridiculous
Flynny Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 Interesting to note how we did with Stearman out and the marks Chambers got in his place. Definitely agree. Hopefully he's just been given a rest after his short injury.
simjim1980 Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 all this talk of getting rid of ollie is crazy, do you honestly think if we sack another manager any descent manager will want to come here. dowie would get the job but after the dowie factor wears off in about 3-6 months he would get the sack too and then what. we need stability at every level of this club and as much as it pains me saying it even if that means league 1 next year as long as we start to build somthing for the long term futre. all the succesful teams gennerally have long serving managers and are given the time to build a solid team. dont get me wrong i have a season ticket and i am really fed up of seeing inept performances with no passion but it is time for gritting our teeth putting up with it and supporting our team, managment included. i honestly belive given enough time and backing ollie will get it right he cant change the whole squad every time a transfer window opens look what mess happened when martin allen tried that you have to intergrate players into a team and that takes time so come on i understand everyones fustrations but we have to give him a chance. rant over
mat_j101 Posted 23 February 2008 Posted 23 February 2008 all this talk of getting rid of ollie is crazy, do you honestly think if we sack another manager any descent manager will want to come here. dowie would get the job but after the dowie factor wears off in about 3-6 months he would get the sack too and then what.we need stability at every level of this club and as much as it pains me saying it even if that means league 1 next year as long as we start to build somthing for the long term futre. all the succesful teams gennerally have long serving managers and are given the time to build a solid team. dont get me wrong i have a season ticket and i am really fed up of seeing inept performances with no passion but it is time for gritting our teeth putting up with it and supporting our team, managment included. i honestly belive given enough time and backing ollie will get it right he cant change the whole squad every time a transfer window opens look what mess happened when martin allen tried that you have to intergrate players into a team and that takes time so come on i understand everyones fustrations but we have to give him a chance. rant over Almost exactly what i wrote - thank god im not the only one
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