Gandhi erected in Leicester

[Daggers]

I'm gonna try that one at work, wahooo to sleep ins!!!

You should see me in a turban, I cut quite a dashing figure. I'm growing the hair and beard and everything.

[Finnegan]

Putting a Gandhi statue in Leicester is like putting a Jesus statue in Baghdad, it makes no sense.

Yes. It's exactly like that in every way, shape and form and in no way is your post utterly stupid.

[Zingari]

it would be like putting a statue of a little boy pissing in a water fountain in somewhere like Brussels

[Thracian]

You having a laugh, Gandhi is a racist himself, let alone, a hypocrite, a adulterer, liar, conspirer, not really actions of a mohatma!! Again Ultra, another little lesson!!

GANDHI ON NON-VIOLENCE

• During a prayer speech: “If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against

the British.” - June 16, 1947

»Reference: Gandhi’s “The Last Phase”, Vol II, p. 326

To the British during WWII: “This manslaughter must be stopped. You are losing; if

you persist, it will only result in greater bloodshed. Hitler is not a bad man.”

»Reference: G.D. Birla’s “In the Shadow of the Mahatma”, p. 276

GANDHI ON BLACKS AND RACE RELATIONS

• “A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if

at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to

believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to

the position of a raw Kaffir.”

»Reference: The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, Government of India (CWMG), Vol I, p. 150

• Regarding forcible registration with the state of blacks: “One can understand the

necessity for registration of Kaffirs who will not work.”

»Reference: CWMG, Vol I, p. 105

• “Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for

dumping down all the Kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension...the Town

Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location.”

»Reference: CWMG, Vol I, pp. 244–245

• His description of black inmates: “Only a degree removed from the animal.” Also,

“Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized - the convicts even more so. They are troublesome,

very dirty and live almost like animals.” - Mar. 7, 1908

»Reference: CWMG, Vol VIII, pp. 135-136

Gandhi's adultery, and perversion, and the taking advantage of one of his cult members:

gandhi became a celebate while he was at his ashram (retreat), he bacame a cult figure and many women and men joined his cult. He used to test his celebacy by making young naked women lie on top of him (never his wife). It's fair to say he failed his test on each occassion!!

During his Noakhali tour of 1946, Gandhi used to sleep with the nineteen-year-old Manu. When Nirmal Bose, his Bengali interpreter, saw this he protested, asserting that the experiments must be having bad psychological effects on the girl. In his Book My Days with Gandhi, published in 1953 with great difficulty and at his own expense, he offers a Freudian interpretation to Gandhi's experiments.

It is generally believed that Gandhi started sleeping with women toward the close of his life. According to Sushila Nayar, he started much earlier. However, at the time he called it 'nature cure.' She told Mehta, 'long before Manu came into the picture I used to sleep with him just as I would with my mother. He might say my back aches. Put some pressure on it. So I might put some pressure on it or lie down on his back and he might just go to sleep. In the early days there was no question of calling this a brahamacharya experiment. It was just part of nature cure. Later on, when people started asking questions about his physical contact with women, the idea of brahamacharya experiments was developed. Don't ask me any more questions about brahamacharya experiments. There is nothing to say, unless you have a dirty mind like Bose.'

From: Mahatma Gandhi and His Apostles

Gandhi was a liar and a fraud, publically he announced it was ok for hindus and muslims to marry, but he never allowed his son to marry his muslim girlfriend, he went as far to disown him:

Gandhi’s influential hand was also evident in Manilal’s decision to marry. He had wanted to marry Fatima Gool, a Muslim from the Cape, but Gandhi objected because she was not Hindu:

http://www.peaceworkmagazine.org/gandhi-s-...rican-dissident

Gandhi's hand in a murder cover up:

In 1921, Gandhi helped cover up the murder of an American citizen by Gandhians who were rioting during the second Satyagraha movement. The murdered man was William Francis Doherty, an engineer working in Bombay. His wife dictated a sworn statement to a Los Angeles notary in 1929.

http://gandhism.net/williamdoherty.php

http://gandhism.net/andrews.php

MORE ON GANDHI THE RACIST:

http://gandhism.net/gandhiandblacks.php

The Durban Post Office

One of Gandhi's major "achievements" in South Africa was to promote racial segregation by refusing to share a post office door with the black natives.

Sergeant Major Gandhi

Learn how Gandhi became a Sgt. Major in the British Army and eagerly participated in the 1906 British war against the black Zulus.

Gandhi and South African Blacks

Gandhi wrote extensively about his experiences with the blacks of South Africa. He always termed them "Kaffirs" and his writings reveal a deep-seated disdain for these African natives.

Introduction

Gandhi is idolized by people of all political stripes around the world, and his life is popularly considered a model for the American Civil Rights Movement.

U.S. Senator Harry Reid called Gandhi “a giant in morality.” Former U.S president Ronald Reagan signed a bill creating a “National Day of Recognition for Mohandas K. Gandhi.” South African leader Nelson Mandela called Gandhi “the archetypal anticolonial revolutionary” whose “nonviolent resistance inspired anticolonial and antiracist movements.” African-American Senator Obama reportedly keeps a picture of Gandhi in his office.

Martin Luther King, Jr. associated Gandhi with the African-American struggle against inequality, segregation, and racism. Reverend King believed Gandhi was “inspired by the vision of humanity evolving toward...peace and harmony.” When the Indian government paid to place a statue of Gandhi at the Martin Luther King, Jr. Memorial Center in Atlanta, Mrs. King spoke about her husband's admiration for Gandhi, saying, “It is gratifying and appropriate that this statue is installed in this historic site.”

Unfortunately, these people were never acquainted with the real, historical Mohandas Gandhi, who was a virulent racist.

Gandhi was hired to work as an attorney for wealthy Indian traders in South Africa. He moved there in 1893 and soon helped establish the Natal Indian Congress. The goal of this Congress was to “promote concord and harmony among the Indians and Europeans residing in the colony [of South Africa].” Instead of concord and harmony with the blacks, however, Gandhi promoted racial segregation. The major achievement of the Congress was the successful attempt, spear-headed by Gandhi, to fix the Durban post office “problem.” This issue is discussed in-depth here.

In 1904, Gandhi founded The Indian Opinion, a newspaper which he used as a political tool to promote his personal views. It is in this paper, which Gandhi edited until 1914, that we find a record of his extensive anti-black activism and opinions. A list of anti-black quotes from his writings, in which he invariably refers to the South African natives as “Kaffirs,” can be found here. Gandhi's opinion of the native is best summarized when he calls them people “whose occupation is hunting, and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with and, then, pass his life in indolence and nakedness.”

Finally, in 1906, Gandhi cheered on the British as they waged a war on the black Zulus. He then volunteered for military service himself, attaining the rank of Sgt. Major in the British Army and assisting the war on blacks in every way he could. You can learn more about this here.

One of the best-known heroes of the American Civil Rights Movement was Rosa Parks, the black lady who refused to sit at the back of the bus. While Gandhi is upheld as a champion of equality, the truth is that he probably would not even have allowed Mrs. Parks on the bus in the first place. He proudly said that among South African Indians, the “co-mingling of the coloured and white races...is practically unknown.” Gandhi also boasted, “If there is one thing, which the Indian cherishes, more than any other, it is the purity of type.”

People remember Rev. King for his most famous speech, in which he said: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” To associate Martin Luther King, Jr. with Mohandas Gandhi, whose dream was to clear the way for Apartheid in South Africa, is an insult to the memory of Rev. King.

GANDHI'S BIGGEST AND WORST TRIUMPH - THE SLAVERY OF THE DALITS, GANDHI'S NAZI IDEOLOGY

During the freedon movement of India, there were many other freedom movements, inlcuding that of muslims to pakistan. Gandhi was a firm believer of hindutva, or the varna system of hinduism. This system was formed many centurys ago where by said invaders (aryans) came to the indus vallet inhabited by lesser intelligent small aboriginal types. In order to keep there blood lines seperate (nazi-aryan connection) and enslaves the natives, they devised the varna system, whereby they would be top of the chain (4th born) and the natives (1st born), the natives could only get to heaven if they are 4th born and can only progress to 4th born if they fullfil there duties as slaves when they are 1st, 2nd and 3rd born. Unlike in Germany whereby the aryans were a majority and hence vanquishing everyone else was not a problem, in this land the bhramins\aryans were in a minority and required slaves and manual labour. Those tribes that were skilled labour were 2nd born and the 3rd born were given to warrior tribes which were also foriegn!!

Obviously, the 1st born untouchables were treated like shit, did all the shitty work etc, and unfortunately it was there religious duty to be happy doing so!! Now during Gandhi's time a gentlement Dr Ambedkar lead a revolt of 1st born dalits, which makes up over 75% of the population, the thought of these guys taking by gandhi was firstly one of disgust, because they are untouchable plus it would undermine his authority and the financial implications (how would the rich and prosperous like him and his buddies live, who would do all the shitty jobs etc). Gandhi then had a plan, he decided to open an ashram, where a white cloth, this was very intentional and symbolic, he decide to live of the land and take in a young dalit boy!!

His message was, don't asstrocise dalits, they are only doing there religious duty, and hence made dalits more appealable to wider india and tried to make dalits change there mind!! This was very clever, dalits would still remian dalits and still do there religious duties but the rest of society will not call them untouchable and let them get in harmony hence keepng the legacy of first born and the varna system slavery method intact!!

[1] 1920: "I believe that caste has saved Hinduism from disintegration. But like every other institution it has suffered from excrescences. I consider the four divisions alone to be fundamental, natural and essential. The innumerable sub-castes are sometimes a convenience, often a hindrance. The sooner there is fusion, the better....

2] 1920: "The beauty of the caste system is that it does not base itself upon distinctions of wealth-possessions. Money, as history has proved, is the greatest disruptive force in the world.... Caste is but an extension of the principle of the family. Both are governed by blood and heredity

[3] 1921-22: "I believe that if Hindu society has been able to stand, it is because it is founded on the caste system.... A community which can create the caste system must be said to possess unique power of organization....

"To destroy the caste system and adopt the Western European social system means that Hindus must give up the principle of hereditary occupation which is the soul of the caste system. [The] hereditary principle is an eternal principle. To change it is to create disorder.... It will be a chaos if every day a Brahmin is to be changed into a Shudra and a Shudra is to be changed into a Brahmin. The caste system is a natural order of society.... I am opposed to all those who are out to destroy the caste system." (A, IX, 275f)

5] 1925: "There is no harm if a person belonging to one varna acquires the knowledge or science and art specialized in by persons belonging to other varnas. But as far as the way of earning his living his concerned, he must follow the occupation of the varna to which he belongs, which means he must follow the hereditary profession of his forefathers.

Ambedkar rose to high heights, he decided to put forward dalit candidates for election knowing full well that dalits make the majority and his people would win. Gandhi like a cunning fox decided to go on hunger strike to stop Ambedkar. Ambedkar knowing full well that if Gandhi dies there will be civil war between dalits and the rest as they will balme him and his policies for his death, he rescinded, and once again Gandhi enslaves the first born!!!

Ambedkar was very critical of Gandhi:

Ambedkar criticized the Indian National Congress and its leader Mohandas (Mahatma) Gandhi, whom he accused of reducing the untouchable community to a figure of pathos. Ambedkar was also dissatisfied with the failures of British rule, and advocated a political identity for untouchables separate from both the Congress and the British. At a Depressed Classes Conference on August 8, 1930 Ambedkar outlined his political vision, insisting that the safety of the Depressed Classes hinged on their being independent of the Government and the Congress both:

We must shape our course ourselves and by ourselves... Political power cannot be a panacea for the ills of the Depressed Classes. Their salvation lies in their social elevation. They must cleanse their evil habits. They must improve their bad ways of living.... They must be educated.... There is a great necessity to disturb their pathetic contentment and to instill into them that divine discontent which is the spring of all elevation.[2]

In this speech, Ambedkar criticized the Salt Satyagraha launched by Gandhi and the Congress. Ambedkar's criticisms and political work had made him very unpopular with orthodox Hindus, as well as with many Congress politicians who had earlier condemned untouchability and worked against discrimination across India. This was largely because these "liberal" politicians usually stopped short of advocating full equality for untouchables.

When the British agreed with Ambedkar and announced the awarding of separate electorates, Gandhi began a fast-unto-death while imprisoned in the Yeravada Central Jail of Pune in 1932. Exhorting orthodox Hindu society to eliminate discrimination and untouchability, Gandhi asked for the political and social unity of Hindus. Gandhi's fast provoked great public support across India, and orthodox Hindu leaders, Congress politicians and activists such as Madan Mohan Malaviya and Palwankar Baloo organized joint meetings with Ambedkar and his supporters at Yeravada. Fearing a communal reprisal and killings of untouchables in the event of Gandhi's death, Ambedkar agreed under massive coercion from the supporters of Gandhi to drop the demand for separate electorates, and settled for a reservation of seats. This agreement, which saw Gandhi end his fast, in the end achieved more representation for the untouchables, while dropping the demand for separate electorates that was promised through the British Communal Award prior to Ambedkar's meeting with Gandhi. Ambedkar was to later criticise this fast of Gandhi as a gimmick to deny political rights to the untouchables and increase the coercion he had faced to give up the demand for separate electorates.

SO GANDHI THE NAZI RACIST NEVER OCE OPPOSED CASTE SLAVERY, STIULL TODAY THERE IS NO EQUALITY FOR DALITS|UNTOUCHABLES

People go about Mumbai killings and how 200 people were killed, but every day in mumbia over 200 dalit women are sold to the sex trade, over 200 dalit kids die of malnutrition and disease.......why because they are first born to the varna system, well done Gandhi!!!!

I could go on for hours, Gandhi the politician has yet to be explored, India's partition, his fear of the mighty sikhs, his love of hitler but my fingers are hurting!!

So Ultra, is the man whose statue you want....................or you still like your fuzzy wuzzy Gandhi, bollywoodised and glamourised. The only difference between him and Jebadiah Springfield is that Jebadiah might of been a crook but his legacy is dead, people can bring the best out of it, but Gandhi, his legacy remians, the enslavement of dalits, the freedom of the sikhs, the break up of many nations, many millions of people have died because of his direct an indirect actions!!!

I reckon you should make an alternative film of Gandhi's life. And invite Ultra and the rest of the Leicester City Council to a preview.

[Daggers]

Yes. It's exactly like that in every way, shape and form and in no way is your post utterly stupid.

I have, utterly, no idea why anyone would want to erect a statue of Ghandi in Leicester.

[Finnegan]

I have, utterly, no idea why anyone would want to erect a statue of Ghandi in Leicester.

Me neither. I would have thought our gargantuan Native American population would have backed my motion for a wooden carving of Geronimo.

[Daggers]

Me neither. I would have thought our gargantuan Native American population would have backed my motion for a wooden carving of Geronimo.

You want wood?

I have wood.

[Finnegan]

You want wood?

I have wood.

Good. I've a chisel, whip it out and we'll get carving.

[Flynny]

(It's Gandhi, not Ghandi)

[Finnegan]

(It's Gandhi, not Ghandi)

Racist!

[Ultra]

I reckon you should make an alternative film of Gandhi's life. And invite Ultra and the rest of the Leicester City Council to a preview.

The Singh is clearly a Sikh separatist, therefore as representative of Sikhs (both in the UK and India) as the Real IRA is of the Irish.

Gandhi has been acclaimed by EVERY country of the UN.

The quotes given, if indeed they are true, are no more representative of him than certain comments on the Jews and non-white people are of Churchill.

[Finnegan]

Yeah I always had the Singh down as a violent, nationalistic paramilitant.

[Flynny]

Yeah I always had the Singh down as a violent, nationalistic paramilitant.

Can't trust any of those fucking browns, I tell you.

(seriously, isn't that just swapping one prejudice for another Ultra?)

[BoneDog]

Putting a Gandhi statue in Leicester is like putting a Jesus statue in Baghdad, it makes no sense.

They love Jesus in Iraq. They're Muslims and they love Jesus more than most people in history.

Jesus, Moses, Job, Noah, Abraham, Solomon, Aaron, Lot, Muhammad, Enoch, Ismael, Jacob, Isaac, John, Elijah, Zachariah etc. Muslims have to love all these prophets and the rest equally. It's part of the religion.

The greatest men ever to walk the earth all of em

[Alexikokopops]

They love Jesus in Iraq. They're Muslims and they love Jesus more than most people in history.

Jesus, Moses, Job, Noah, Abraham, Solomon, Aaron, Lot, Muhammad, Enoch, Ismael, Jacob, Isaac, John, Elijah, Zachariah etc. Muslims have to love all these prophets and the rest equally. It's part of the religion.

The greatest men ever to walk the earth all of em

You seem to be forgetting me

[BoneDog]

You seem to be forgetting me

You might be good, but you've got to be remembered by hundreds of thousands of people hundreds of years after death to be at their level!

[Dr The Singh]

The Singh is clearly a Sikh separatist, therefore as representative of Sikhs (both in the UK and India) as the Real IRA is of the Irish.

Gandhi has been acclaimed by EVERY country of the UN.

The quotes given, if indeed they are true, are no more representative of him than certain comments on the Jews and non-white people are of Churchill.

Oh dear oh dear ultra, we have stooped to a new low, comparing me to the Real IRA, is not just an insult making me out to be like a member of a terrorist group but a very demeaning personal insult, you should be ashamed of yourself!!

d

Sikh seperatists???? WTF you on about, firstly, there not seperatist, it's there land, it was there's before the british, and you have know didly squat, if you did you wouldn't come out with such crap. There relation and conquest has no relation to the IRA, the so called seperatist only asked for what was agreed, and equal rights and freedom of choice. Secondly, you have no idea what my personal feelings towards anything and actually are, my remarks hghlight FACTS, historical FACTS that are inline with the actual TRUTH, not debateable rhetoric, obviously from those FACTS there must be an arguement for Sikhs to have full independance, not that I have ever asked for Khalistan, and nor do i believe it will work!! I don't live in the punjab, i'm a brit, whose english, hence i'm free, it's for those who want freedom to go and Sikh it. But i'm a Sikh, comming from a long line of saint soldiers, the bastians of justice and truth, like my forefathers before me, amd I will not hide untill justice has been done, nor will my children or there children!!

You my friend have shown how much a 'little man' you really are, just cus you have no real answer to my FACTS, you resort to this. Oh it was ok for you to stick up for the palistinians against the israeli's, where as the Sikhs whose land is occupied in a lot less demeaning manner are seperatist, your a hypocryte, are you Gandhi in disguise!!

Is that the best you can do, Oh the UN are the bastians of truth, like they are impartial, India offers far more then a bunch of turban wearing mo-fo's, i wonder which of the 2, the UN nations would prefer to upset!!!

You are joking about your last comment, there's a difference in making a passing comment and trying to stop a freedom movement of enslaved people, manipulating young ladies into sex in a cult leader manner, blatent racist views and practice in line with nazical\bhramical values, racism against other faiths in maintaining ones religious superiority, crimincal acts of murder cover up, the death of millions to accomplish his aim of his nazical regimes hold on the nation, the list goes on.....................

Ultra, either put up or shut up, prove what I have said is wrong, and don't you ever, ever dare without proof accuse me of such digusting notions again, and if you dare, I dare you to say them to my face!!

[Thracian]

Oh dear oh dear ultra, we have stooped to a new low, comparing me to the Real IRA, is not just an insult making me out to be like a member of a terrorist group but a very demeaning personal insult, you should be ashamed of yourself!!

d

Sikh seperatists???? WTF you on about, firstly, there not seperatist, it's there land, it was there's before the british, and you have know didly squat, if you did you wouldn't come out with such crap. There relation and conquest has no relation to the IRA, the so called seperatist only asked for what was agreed, and equal rights and freedom of choice. Secondly, you have no idea what my personal feelings towards anything and actually are, my remarks hghlight FACTS, historical FACTS that are inline with the actual TRUTH, not debateable rhetoric, obviously from those FACTS there must be an arguement for Sikhs to have full independance, not that I have ever asked for Khalistan, and nor do i believe it will work!! I don't live in the punjab, i'm a brit, whose english, hence i'm free, it's for those who want freedom to go and Sikh it. But i'm a Sikh, comming from a long line of saint soldiers, the bastians of justice and truth, like my forefathers before me, amd I will not hide untill justice has been done, nor will my children or there children!!

You my friend have shown how much a 'little man' you really are, just cus you have no real answer to my FACTS, you resort to this. Oh it was ok for you to stick up for the palistinians against the israeli's, where as the Sikhs whose land is occupied in a lot less demeaning manner are seperatist, your a hypocryte, are you Gandhi in disguise!!

Is that the best you can do, Oh the UN are the bastians of truth, like they are impartial, India offers far more then a bunch of turban wearing mo-fo's, i wonder which of the 2, the UN nations would prefer to upset!!!

You are joking about your last comment, there's a difference in making a passing comment and trying to stop a freedom movement of enslaved people, manipulating young ladies into sex in a cult leader manner, blatent racist views and practice in line with nazical\bhramical values, racism against other faiths in maintaining ones religious superiority, crimincal acts of murder cover up, the death of millions to accomplish his aim of his nazical regimes hold on the nation, the list goes on.....................

Ultra, either put up or shut up, prove what I have said is wrong, and don't you ever, ever dare without proof accuse me of such digusting notions again, and if you dare, I dare you to say them to my face!!

Note to Ultra:

As a natural peacemaker, I'd say an apology might be in order!

[Finnegan]

Note to Ultra:

As a natural peacemaker, I'd say an apology might be in order!

Note to the Singh:

"it's for those who want freedom to go and Sikh it."

Whether you typo'd that or meant it - that's an AWESOME slogan for Sikhism.

[samuel]

Ultra.

You really are a knob!. I would punch you in the face, fooking hard, if my surname was Singh!

[davieG]

They love Jesus in Iraq. They're Muslims and they love Jesus more than most people in history.

Jesus, Moses, Job, Noah, Abraham, Solomon, Aaron, Lot, Muhammad, Enoch, Ismael, Jacob, Isaac, John, Elijah, Zachariah etc. Muslims have to love all these prophets and the rest equally. It's part of the religion.

The greatest men ever to walk the earth all of em

If they are as great as you suggest I doubt they ever walked anywhere.

[Thracian]

Ultra.

You really are a knob!. I would punch you in the face, fooking hard, if my surname was Singh!

An apology would be more civilised.

Besides, while I'm quite sure Ultra could be brave enough, I wouldn't see a young warrior like The Singh getting much satisfaction from whacking him.

Especially with The Singh being something of a gentleman in any case, at least from my impressions.

[Daggers]

Oh dear oh dear ultra, we have stooped to a new low, comparing me to the Real IRA, is not just an insult making me out to be like a member of a terrorist group but a very demeaning personal insult, you should be ashamed of yourself!!

You? A paramilitary terrorist? You damn extremist you! I'm rather worried that you might terrorise us the next time you come to the pub. Someone really ought to warn the club too, I'm not sure your sort should hold season tickets!

I think the fact that he stooped to such idiotic insults proves he has no counter-argument and de-facto loses.

Singh 1-0 Ultra

[BoneDog]

If they are as great as you suggest I doubt they ever walked anywhere.

They were great! Everyone of em fought for the liitle man against oppsression and tried to stop the bad things in their society. I got big love for em all.

I didn't understand what you mean when you say 'I doubt they ever walked anywhere'. I'm a bit slow sometimes!

[davieG]

They were great! Everyone of em fought for the liitle man against oppsression and tried to stop the bad things in their society. I got big love for em all.

I didn't understand what you mean when you say 'I doubt they ever walked anywhere'. I'm a bit slow sometimes!

It was joke, they'd be too high and might to have to do human things like walking. Do angels walk?