Gandhi erected in Leicester

[Ultra]

is that a fact

Yes it is.

The Golden Mile is one of the city's top attractions and the statue will enhance it further.

[Dr The Singh]

again, well said , Mr Singh , but unfortunately no one ( with any influence) seems to care and most disinterested citizens just have a, "it's just a statue " attitude

(i have read your posts and some of the links and you seem to have unearthed a lot of little known facts about him )

he has absolutely no connection with the city of leicester ( reason enough alone, surely)and there is plenty of evidence that what you have posted should give rise to a little circumspection in making this man out to be the saint that he is portrayed

but i am resigned to the fact that it will happen anyway

The issue is due to the fact the Indian\Hindu community have a very big sway in Leicester if not the UK, we live in a 'politically correct' society governed by what the media etc decides on what is correct, hence no-one wants to 'offend' and 'discredit' the icon because it would be controversial and cause more trouble then a statue is probably worth.

But I put money on it, if The Sun newspaper did a column on the truth about Gandhi, every fooker on this forum would be ranting and raving about it and would oppose it. But I have great pride in saying that atleast one community stood tall, stood for the truth, didn't and just stay quite for the reasons of 'keeping the peace' and being 'politically correct' and playing sheep to the masses, The UK Sikh Federation opposed the idea from day one, even though i'm one of there biggest critics, still stood for the truth.

Here's an article on what south africans thought about there statue of gandhi:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/17/1066364486503.html?from=storyrhs

'But critics say the gesture overlooks racist statements attributed to Gandhi, which suggest he viewed black people as lazy savages who were barely human.'

But, when forced to share a cell with black people, Gandhi wrote:

"Many of the native prisoners are only one degree removed from the animal."

For some people that want to do there own research, people should read about Gandhi's relationship with the Dalit Movement, for one who supposedly free'd millions, he went as to far as making the slavery of Dalits (low caste hindu's) more acceptable. Dalits due to there religion have been enslaved, raped for thousands of years just cus they were born into a shudras\dalit house, thuey must live there whole life as a shudra or be punished. There freedom movement came along as with the freedom of muslims (pakistan), Sikhs, etc. There movement was lead by Dr Ambedkar, he gave a glimpse of light to a dejected enslaved society, and but there freedom was hindered by Gandhi, Gandhi even on his death bed refused to dissolve the 'hindu dharma' and give the Dalits there equality. If there ever was a Mahatma, Dr Ambedkar should be it, and if there should be a statue it should be his, he died fighting for equality!!

Gandhi and Caste:

I don’t believe the caste system to be an odious and vicious dogma. It has its limitations and defects, but there is nothing sinful about it. Harijan, 1933.

I believe in Varnashrama (caste system) which is the law of life. The law of Varna (color and / or caste) is nothing but the law of conservation of energy. Why should my son not be scavenger if I am one? Harijan, 3-6-1947.

He (Shudra, low caste) may not be called a Brahmin (uppermost caste), though he (Shudra) may have all the qualities of a Brahmin in this birth. And it is a good thing for him (Shudra) not to arrogate a Varna (caste) to which he is not born. It is a sign of true humility. Young India, 11-24-1927.

According to Hindu belief, he who practices a profession which does not belong to him by birth, does violence to himself and becomes a degraded being by not living up to the Varna (caste) of his birth. Young India, 11-14-1927.

As years go by, the conviction is daily growing upon me that Varna (caste) is the law of man’s being, and therefore, caste is necessary for Christians and Muslims as it has been necessary for Hinduism, and has been its saving grace. Speech at Trivandrum, (Collection of Speeches), Ramanath Suman (1932).

I would resist with my life the separation of "Untouchables" from the caste Hindus. The problem of the "Untouchable" community was of comparatively little importance. London Round Table Conference 1931.

I call myself a Snatana man, one who firmly believes in the caste system. Dharma Manthan, p 4.

I believe in caste division determined by birth and the very root of caste division lies in birth. Varna Vyavastha, p 76-77.

The four castes and the four stages of life are things to be attained by birth alone. Dharma Manthan, p 5.

Caste means the predetermination of a man’s profession. Caste implies that a man must practice only the profession of his ancestors for his livelihood. Varna Vyavstha, p 28, 56, 68.

Shudra only serves the higher castes as a matter of religious duty and who will never own any property. The gods will shower down flowers on him. Varna Vyavastha, p 15.

I have noticed that the very basis of our thought have been severely shaken by Western civilization which is the creation of the Satan. Dharma Manthan, p 65.

How is it possible that the Antyaja (outcastes) should have the right to enter all the existing temples? As long as the law of caste and karma has the chief place in the Hindu religion, to say that every Hindu can enter every temple is a thing that is not possible today. Gandhi Sikshan, Vol. 11, p 132.

The caste system can’t be said to be bad because it does not allow inter-dining and inter-marriages in different castes. Gandhi by Shiru, p129.

If the Shudar (low caste) leave their ancestral profession and take up others, ambition will rouse in them and their peace of mind will be spoiled. Even their family peace will be disturbed. Hind Swaraj.

Here's a transcript from AMbedkar http://dinakaran.blogspot.com/2006/04/gand...patkar-and.html

But Gandhi went on a fast, saying, "He is trying to create a division within the Hindu society." The division has existed for ten thousand years. That poor Ambedkar was not creating the division, he was simply saying that one fourth of the people of the country had been tortured for thousands of years. Now at least give them a chance to advance themselves. At least let them voice their problems in the parliament, in the assemblies. But Gandhi said, "I will not allow it while I am alive. They are part of Hindu society, hence they cannot have a separate voting system" -- and he went on fasting.

For twenty-one days Ambedkar remained reluctant, but every day... the pressure of the whole country. And he started feeling that if this old man dies then there is going to be great bloodshed. It was clear -- he would be killed immediately, and millions of the untouchables would be killed everywhere, all over the country: "It is because of you that Gandhi died." When the whole arithmetic of how it would work out was explained to him -- "You figure it out soon, because there is not much time, he cannot survive more than three days" -- Ambedkar hesitated.

He was perfectly right; Gandhi was perfectly wrong.

But what to do? Should he take the risk? He was not worried about his life -- if he was killed it was okay -- but he was worried about those millions of poor people who didn't know anything about what was going on. Their houses would be burned, their women would be raped, their children would be butchered. And it would be something that had never happened before.

Finally he had to accept the conditions. He went with the breakfast in his hand to Mahatma Gandhi, "I accept your conditions. We will not ask for a separate vote or separate candidates. Please accept this orange juice." And Gandhi accepted the orange juice.

People should also read about what happened at Gandhi's Ashram, and especially his night time activities, and especially how he would test his chastity, and how he took advantage of his young female disciiples.......from the Washington Post

'.....his need to prove his spiritual manhood by lying with five naked women is an affront to the dignity and equality of women everywhere.' And as Willmed Schneidermanai of the Indian Enterprise Institute points out, "It's not so much the fact that he slept with these women or regularly indulged in enemas; it's that he showed such bad judgment in doing so. I think this raises serious questions about Gandhi's self-discipline and insensitivity to the appearances of impropriety --and finally about Gandhi's ability to lead a successful non-violent movement.'

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-5167040.html

People should also read about Bhagat Singh (gadar party), for he Gandhi betrayed the mighty freedom fighter, he first called him a terrorist and after his death called him a hero, at this moment another party was at the helm and according to historians would have achieved freeedom but for not Gandhi's interference, he refused to go with the movement due to the 'violent acts' in doing so, yet in 1946, when so called freedom was achieved, India was at it's most violent with the various freedom movements percipitating.

People should also read about Gandhi and his vies on other religions, especially Sikhis, aournd 90% of all martyrs during the raj were Sikh, not bad for a population being around 2%. Before freedom, Gandhi bum licked the Sikhs, he and Nehru stated:

"The brave Sikhs of the Punjab entitled to special consideration. I nothing wrong in an area and a set up in the North wherein the Sikhs can experience the glow of freedom." In these words, an autonomous state to the Sikhs, within India, was promised.

Also,

"You (Sikhs) take my word that if ever the Congress or I betray you, you will be justified to draw the sword as taught by Guru Gobind Singh."

After freedon was obtained

He told his Sikh followers that rusty sword is useless in the age of Atom Bomb

He also demaned Buddhism, Jainism!!

He also had a soft spot for Hitler, I have written the quotes before, both are lovers of the Aryan belief!! The notion that Gandhi free'd India is the biggest myth, him and Nehru were made heroes. How pathetic would it sound that Hindustan bought there freedom from the British, which is infact the truth. Infact Pakistan refues to pay the Brit's, Gandhi shit himself thinking the brits would come back and made India pay there part aswell

I can go one writing for hours, but my wrist has better uses!!

Now, if any fooker that has read this still thinks that the statue should stay then they should bury there head in there arse!!

[sackmycook]

the reason for the singh's bitterness arises from the fact that the sikhs were unable to have india carved up and establish the sikh state of khalistan.

if one searches through his posts you will find evidence of regular indian/hindu bashing. and this all emanates from this reason.

i find it in perplexing that the singh regularly feels the need to try to educate this forum on the fascist :thumbsup: hindus of india.

indeed they are fascists and have done you wrong. is that what you would like the forum members to tell you? or is there something more?

[Dr The Singh]

the reason for the singh's bitterness arises from the fact that the sikhs were unable to have india carved up and establish the sikh state of khalistan.

if one searches through his posts you will find evidence of regular indian/hindu bashing. and this all emanates from this reason.

i find it in perplexing that the singh regularly feels the need to try to educate this forum on the fascist :thumbsup: hindus of india.

indeed they are fascists and have done you wrong. is that what you would like the forum members to tell you? or is there something more?

I'm gonna keep this brief, cus no one cares about this arguement!!!

No mate, i'm not actually a 'khalistani', I don't see the logic in it, but yes, I do believe sikhs should have a soveriegn state or atleast autonomy within India, but foremost i beleive Sikhs should get justice!! But if the Sikhs of the punjab (not UK\Canada etc) want 'Khalistan', then so be it, but being a regular to the punjab my father having 3 business there, Sikhs or more into capatilism then Khalistan, although they are not happy with the current 'governance' or any previous one!!

Yes, i'm anti indian government, but in no way anti hindu\muslim etc. I believe India to be a state that is no better then China in it's human rights and all hindu's, sikhs, muslim of Inida have played there part, more so the Bhramincal influnce that has tinged there society for over thousands of years!!! Sikhs have suffered tyranny under Indian administration, and i'm sure if it was your kin that had suffered you would probably feel the same.

India is a sham, you and I both know it, the evidence is all to see, all you have to do is look at it's human rights records, all the freedom movements and it's history, look at it's poverty record, and it's descrimnation of the dalits and minorities and have a look at it's constitution. The facts are all there to see. You should stop believing the 'bollywood' notion of India and see it's reality!!!

You can continue to be perplexed, i'm a British SIkh, and I don't find anything wrong in expressing my views on topics that are related. If your so bothered by it, or have an opinion, i'm open to discuss any issues you may have!!

But I would stop insinuating and making pre-judgments about me or my beliefs, just cus I don't conform to some 'ideological' India and see things for what they are does not make me a hater of any belief or group!!! Nothing would make me happier to see India, admit it's fault and rectify them but that would not re-write history the dark days will always be a remembrance, it would heal the wounds though!!

And don't call me a racist!!!

[Webbo]

Yes it is.

The Golden Mile is one of the city's top attractions and the statue will enhance it further.

Can we stop calling it the 'Golden Mile', only the council call it that. It's Belgrave Road, I was born there and it gets on my tits.

[Kilworthfox]

Can we stop calling it the 'Golden Mile', only the council call it that. It's Belgrave Road, I was born there and it gets on my tits.

What is golden about it? Do they like the golden girls or eat golden wonder crisps?

[Webbo]

What is golden about it? Do they like the golden girls or eat golden wonder crisps?

It's because there's a lot of jewellers there.

There's also a lot of sari shops there, they don't call it the nylon mile.

[Fez of Mahrez]

I've never even heard the term Golden Mile before.

[Teeno]

I think it's a disgrace. The fact that this City is going to become the first in the country to have a white British minority, I am ashamed of. It's a case of us bending of backwards to accomodate the Asain population. We're becoming plaqued with mosques/temples etc. Everyone is constantly walking on egg shells trying not to offend anyone.

Us Brits need to stand up for ourselves, because our country is going down the pan. Our identity is fast disapearing.

I apprecaite now that alot of the Asian population in Leicester were born and bread in this country, but it angers me to hear so many different languages spoken on the streets. If people want to live in this country they should adapt to our way of life, our language and have respect for our Country.

To make matters worse we now have eastern Europeans coming over in their thousands, and they're just as bad. No respect or effort to intigrate into society.

One of he biggest problems facing this county at the moment is the threat of terrorist attacks, and why?

Because we bend over backwards to please them. Building Mosque all over the country, Muslim Schools, Muslim council etc etc. We might aswell supply them with the amunition as well.

I am not a Racist, I'm just sick of our Country being taken for a mug. Everyone comes to Britain for an easy ride. Benefits, NHS, housing, education etc etc. We need some back bone.

How many people will wake up on Wednesday as if it's just another day? probably most. People are loosing the pride of being English. All England stands for now is a Country that bends over backward for everyone else, runs in and plays the good samaritan when other countries are in trouble, but time after times keep screwing over their own people.

[Fez of Mahrez]

I think it's a disgrace. The fact that this City is going to become the first in the country to have a white British minority, I am ashamed of. It's a case of us bending of backwards to accomodate the Asain population. We're becoming plaqued with mosques/temples etc. Everyone is constantly walking on egg shells trying not to offend anyone.

Us Brits need to stand up for ourselves, because our country is going down the pan. Our identity is fast disapearing.

I apprecaite now that alot of the Asian population in Leicester were born and bread in this country, but it angers me to hear so many different languages spoken on the streets. If people want to live in this country they should adapt to our way of life, our language and have respect for our Country.

To make matters worse we now have eastern Europeans coming over in their thousands, and they're just as bad. No respect or effort to intigrate into society.

One of he biggest problems facing this county at the moment is the threat of terrorist attacks, and why?

Because we bend over backwards to please them. Building Mosque all over the country, Muslim Schools, Muslim council etc etc. We might aswell supply them with the amunition as well.

I am not a Racist, I'm just sick of our Country being taken for a mug. Everyone comes to Britain for an easy ride. Benefits, NHS, housing, education etc etc. We need some back bone.

How many people will wake up on Wednesday as if it's just another day? probably most. People are loosing the pride of being English. All England stands for now is a Country that bends over backward for everyone else, runs in and plays the good samaritan when other countries are in trouble, but time after times keep screwing over their own people.

You're fully entitled to your opinion but you should be ashamed of comments like that - my mum is a literacy tutor and a lot of her foreign pupils are Eastern Europeans (Poles, Lithuanians, Russians mainly) who are working ten-hour shifts in warehouses because they can't speak the English they would need to get a job the degree they got in their homeland otherwise qualifies them for. And in their own time they go to English lessons to get a job in the NHS for example, to provide healthcare for our sick and elderly because there are more nursing jobs than nurses.

I'd look a bit closer at the Jeremy Kyle generation before generalising about all Eastern European immigrants.

[The People's Hero]

Northampton is full of Kosovans but we don't have a statue of Shefki Kuqi.

Maidstone is full of cocks. Apparently we're getting a statue of Ultra next week.

[Teeno]

You're fully entitled to your opinion but you should be ashamed of comments like that - my mum is a literacy tutor and a lot of her foreign pupils are Eastern Europeans (Poles, Lithuanians, Russians mainly) who are working ten-hour shifts in warehouses because they can't speak the English they would need to get a job the degree they got in their homeland otherwise qualifies them for. And in their own time they go to English lessons to get a job in the NHS for example, to provide healthcare for our sick and elderly because there are more nursing jobs than nurses.

I'd look a bit closer at the Jeremy Kyle generation before generalising about all Eastern European immigrants.

I'm not saying that they aren't hard working. I said they have no respect, and that they are not making any effort to integrate.

The Poles hate the English, where I live hardly a weekend goes by where they are not causing trouble or looking for fights. They are some of the most rude people I have ever meet. No maners, no appreciation, just a face like a smaked arse.

We get a lot come into the pub where I work, one of them even had the check to moan that we didn't sell Polish beer at the weekend. I think I would be a lot more tolerant if people were coming to this country to enjoy the countryside, the wheather etc, but the truth is they're coming because our government wrap them up in cotten wool and lay out the red carpet for them.

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

Northampton is full of Kosovans but we don't have a statue of Shefki Kuqi.

Get on it, you could get elected to local council with an awesome proposal like that.

[Dr The Singh]

Ouch!!

Did she call Ghandi "Mahatma Poppadom" or something.

No it was Shilpa Shetty's gran dad!!!!

Gandhi's been reincarnated as a dung beetle, for all the shit he caised when he was alive, fooookin cooont deserve what he gets!!

[Babylon]

No it was Shilpa Shetty's gran dad!!!!

Gandhi's been reincarnated as a dung beetle, for all the shit he caised when he was alive, fooookin cooont deserve what he gets!!

I'm guessing you voted AGAINST the Ghandi statue then?

[Dr The Singh]

I'm guessing you voted AGAINST the Ghandi statue then?

Was there a vote, I remember Ultra releasing some shit on this site how certain religious groups agreed to the building of the statue and he failed to mention the Sikhs who are probably the third religious group in this city!!!

I hope they build that statue, after a night on th tiles, it gives me somewhere to piss and regurgetate on with pride!!!

PS - The Sikhs didn't think it was a good idea, they would prefer Gary Linekar as a Mahatma then Gandhi anyday!!!

[Babylon]

Was there a vote, I remember Ultra releasing some shit on this site how certain religious groups agreed to the building of the statue and he failed to mention the Sikhs who are probably the third religious group in this city!!!

I hope they build that statue, after a night on th tiles, it gives me somewhere to piss and regurgetate on with pride!!!

PS - The Sikhs didn't think it was a good idea, they would prefer Gary Linekar as a Mahatma then Gandhi anyday!!!

There was a vote on here!!

[Dr The Singh]

There was a vote on here!!

That makes all the difference Babs, the result healed alot of the wounds that foooker Gandhi caused to my heritage!!! Gary won, didn't he??????

[Ultra]

Most Sikhs were actually Ok with the statue.

The one Sikh member of the planning committee certainly was, along with everyone else.

The statue will be unveiled later this year. A progress report is available here.

This quote on the Mockery site, from a Leicester resident, says it all.

I'm looking forward to seeing the statue. Although Gandhiji doesn't have a direct connection to Leicester, it's a fitting tribute to a man who stood for peace, respect and harmony between all cultures. Leicester has a thriving Indian and Gujarati community - the money's coming from private sources, so what's the problem? There's nothing stopping anyone else from putting other statues up so long as they pay for it and it abides by the local laws. For those who are against it, sounds like a serious case of jealousy and poison envy.

The idea that Hindus and Sikhs should be at each other's throats is so last century...

[Babylon]

Most Sikhs were actually Ok with the statue.

The one Sikh member of the planning committee certainly was, along with everyone else.

Did you only ask those on the council payroll?

This quote on the Mockery site, from a Leicester resident, says it all.

No it says the thought of one person... and you. so it doesn't really say it all.

a man who stood for peace, respect and harmony between all cultures.

You mean apart from Sikhs and "Kaffirs" to use his words.

There's nothing stopping anyone else from putting other statues up so long as they pay for it and it abides by the local laws.

I have 60k to spend on a statue, will the council please gift me a piece of land on one of the main roads in Leicester. I want to put up a statue of my mum... lovely woman. She's never called anyone a Kaffir either.

[Dr The Singh]

Most Sikhs were actually Ok with the statue.

The one Sikh member of the planning committee certainly was, along with everyone else.

The statue will be unveiled later this year. A progress report is available here.

This quote on the Mockery site, from a Leicester resident, says it all.

The idea that Hindus and Sikhs should be at each other's throats is so last century...

Ultra you can be a right nob sometimes, who's talking about communal hatred, Gandhi could have been a Sikh for what I care and what other Sikhs care. There's monuments of General Brar, and KPS Gill all over India, two so called SIkhs that butchered, raped over the period of the genocidal attacks against the Sikhs, I despise them just as much.

Has there been in leicester or the UK any communal disharmony between the two, NO!! In the Sikhs homeland, is there any friction, and yes the head of the Sikh council would say exactly what i'm saying, this is an attack on an individual, don't try to make anything out of it!!

The fact that every Sikh Organisation in the UK and every Sikh Temple in Leicester was against it speaks volume!!!!

The facts and truth about Gandhi pseak for themselves, not some myth created by India or the British!!

Before you comment on things you have no knowledge about, get you big fat head out of your arse and either do some proper research or don't try to act like you know something!!!

[Dr The Singh]

Ultra you can be a right nob sometimes, who's talking about communal hatred, Gandhi could have been a Sikh for what I care and what other Sikhs care. There's monuments of General Brar, and KPS Gill all over India, two so called SIkhs that butchered, raped over the period of the genocidal attacks against the Sikhs, I despise them just as much.

Has there been in leicester or the UK any communal disharmony between the two, NO!! In the Sikhs homeland, is there any friction, and yes the head of the Sikh council would say exactly what i'm saying, this is an attack on an individual, don't try to make anything out of it!!

The fact that every Sikh Organisation in the UK and every Sikh Temple in Leicester was against it speaks volume!!!!

The facts and truth about Gandhi pseak for themselves, not some myth created by India or the British!!

Before you comment on things you have no knowledge about, get you big fat head out of your arse and either do some proper research or don't try to act like you know something!!!

[Ultra]

The fact that every Sikh Organisation in the UK and every Sikh Temple in Leicester was against it speaks volume!!!!

[Uncle Albert]

Simple minds are easily pleased by the looks of it.

Jade Gandy?! Cant even spell it correctly.

[Ultra]

Is there any article about this proposed statue (gandhi not jade goody btw). Im guessing this is being funded by the taxpayer?

The link's on the previous page, and states quite clearly that the statue is being funded by a PRIVATE organisation.

If enough chavsfolk decide that Jade deserves her own statue, and are willing and able to raise funds for it, I don't see why the council in Leicester or anywhere else should mind.