So! Can we do it - Relegation or Safety!

[FilboFox]

Well it could be A LOT worse... we could be bottom 10 points adrift... and as your support is going, we might as well be...

I mean if someone who knew nothing about football came along and saw our supporters, they'd think we were virtually down already... you're pessimism is just utterly ridiculous!

[Samilktray]

You've given up. Pathetic.

I can accuse you lot of getting on players backs as there is clearly an improvement having seen the Bristol City match, yet you STILL persist in believing that we aren't getting any better and aren't going to survive... WHY? SHOW SOME SUPPORT!!!!

We seem to improve every other game to a degree.

But if we still cant win games with the improvement we will go down, simple as that.

[Simi]

And its for precisely that reason that we will not improve. The players pick up on your constant barrage of negativity. Even when we see an improved performance, the fans STILL expect us to return to shit the next game. Why can't you just forget the past and try and MOVE ON... that way, we might get 2 straight wins and MIGHT stand a better chance of staying up... you lot expect FAR too much from this team that are fighting for survival... even if you lot have already given up!!!

If you brandish me as "you lot" one more time I'm really going to get annoyed. You absolutely have no idea how pathetic your statement is. I stand at the back of F1 every game chanting and getting behind my team. To what response? A bunch of twats only making noise when a decsion goes against us. Believe it or not, I don't stand there and preach all game about losses in certain situatuons, that's what the forums for. When I go to the game I back them 100%.

Let's flip it round and say you're constant positivity is the reason we're down there as they think what they're producing is acceptable.

But the simple fact is, that we ARE improving, the players ARE trying and you should start supporting them... how is this a dire situation... we are still well within reach of being safe and like you said, motivate the players and we will get the results as they will get more confidence.

Don't ever tell me how to support my team. This is clearly a dire situation. We were supposed to be challenging in the top half of the table this season and we're fighting relegation. We've been through three managers and god knows how many players as well.

[accessory]

soton (A) 1 - providing we don't go behind

west brom (A) 0 - any point a bonus

hull (H) 1 - minimum as they're playing well, in the play off hunt, could do with 3 though.

scounthorpe (H) 3 - must get 3 here

sheff utd (A) 0 - any point a bonus

colchester (H) 3 - must get 3 here

barnsley (A) 1 - minimum, hoping the FA cup heroics tire the players

maybe they draw at wmbley and have a replay the week before us (serious straw clutching)

sheff wed (H) 3 - must get 3 here

stoke (A) 0 - any point a bonus

so that's 12 points which are attainable, would 53 see us to safety?

lets hope WBA draw today, have a replay the week after next, so that they rest players on saturday, more straw clutching.

Cup semi-finals don't go to replays any more.

But maybe Barnsley will have a post-Wembley hangover when we play them.

It's the type of game we should win in our sleep. They've looked seriously poor in each of their last three games against us, making the likes of Hammond, Newton and Fryatt look like worldbeaters.

How they beat Liverpool AND Chelsea defies belief. Were drugs or betting syndicates involved?

Maybe the cup run will continue to distract them (they are after all just two points clear of us) and provide us with a lifeline.

But that's clutching at straws, really..

[davieG]

And its for precisely that reason that we will not improve. The players pick up on your constant barrage of negativity. Even when we see an improved performance, the fans STILL expect us to return to shit the next game. Why can't you just forget the past and try and MOVE ON... that way, we might get 2 straight wins and MIGHT stand a better chance of staying up... you lot expect FAR too much from this team that are fighting for survival... even if you lot have already given up!!!

Again what tosh, these are professional players there may be negativety on here but at the actual games the team is supported andf the players and manger have all recognised that so that excuse just doesn't wash.

As for expecting far to much - I expect us to score some goals, I expect us to win a game or two now and again, my expectations are fairly low and they still aren't being met!

[Zingari]

i didn't have much confidence in Leicester at the beginning of this season due to the stupid multi-buy mentality, and it seems that the cure for this was "more of the same"

i'd go for a scraped avoidance of relegation , but i would not bet more than a few bob on it

p.s. i am more worried about sheff weds now with the imminent takeover seemingly hinging on them avoiding the drop ; they may just have an adrenalin rush greater than ours

[Leicester Lass]

Our home games are vitally important, and not scoring in three of the last four of them, despite over 20 attempts in just yesterday's game, is not exactly filling me with confidence.

I think whoever loses Tuesday's game between us and Southampton will go down.

I am absolutely bricking it.

[Asha]

We'll stay up, providing we beat Southampton.

[FilboFox]

Oh don't be such a cock, people are supporting the team, why else do you think we have the gates that we do after 5 years of utter tripe? Why do you think people are worried about the situation LCFC finds itself in? So supporting the team wholeheartedly means we have to walk around with our head up our arses so as not to see the reality of the situation. Even Ollie has now admitted as such and I bet Mandaric is quietly shitting himself.

As to whether we are playing like a team at the top doesn't matter we are still not winning or even scoring goals, you know those things that people go to see that WIN matches. Plenty of 'good' and well supported teams get relegated in spite of their on field performances.

Just because people, rightly or wrongly feel that our time may have come doesn't mean they don't/aren't supporting the team. And people that use this "If you don't like supporting the team and are just going to be negative then fook off and support someone else like Man Utd or Arsenal who win week in week" to suuport their argument are patronsing aresholes.

Personally I've supported LCFC for 45+ years and just because I feel, again rightly or wrongly we're going down doesn't warrant that sort of juvenile response.

Good for you... were all of those pessimistic years where you sat bemoaning the team?

OK, we aren't winning games and that ISN'T good... I know that and I AM worried by the situation we find ourselves in... but I am NOT resigning to the fact that we are already down as many of you seem to have done. Plenty of fans turn up and the Walkers week in week out and basically sit there complaining about how rubbish we are... YES, most of the time we aren't very good... but occasionally we are getting the results and if we can manage to get a performance like the Bristol City match against the team who are TOP of the division, surely that should give us some hope that we can stay up! OK, we aren't scoring any goals... but that will eventually change. If we start scoring, we get more confidence and win games... all I'm asking is that we show a little support to the players and get behind them instead of actually getting on their backs... what good will constantly berating them do?

[dandannieldanok]

FilboFox - are you Ian Holloway or one of the outrageously payed players trying to get your excuses in early? It is utter rubbish saying that they aren't supported by us. Actually it is quite offensive, especially to those who do travel up and down this country throughout the season, paying almost £100 a game on travel and tickets to support the club.

[accessory]

You've given up. Pathetic.

I can accuse you lot of getting on players backs as there is clearly an improvement having seen the Bristol City match, yet you STILL persist in believing that we aren't getting any better and aren't going to survive... WHY? SHOW SOME SUPPORT!!!!

The evidence is there for all to see in the results and league tables. Remaining in denial does you no credit at all.

[Narborough Bod]

Well it could be A LOT worse... we could be bottom 10 points adrift... and as your support is going, we might as well be...

I mean if someone who knew nothing about football came along and saw our supporters, they'd think we were virtually down already... you're pessimism is just utterly ridiculous!

I would hope that if someone who knew nothing about football came along, they would watch the game instead of the fans.

then they would see that we are underachieving and the players were not playing well enough.

Maybe a fan would then explain that it had been like this for 3-4 years and they would understand the fans pessimism.

If we didn't support the club, we wouldn't care and so wouldn't be on any of these forums.

We can do better but we aren't and people are scared. You have to accept this and stop laying blame at the fans doors.

[Simi]

Good for you... were all of those pessimistic years where you sat bemoaning the team?

OK, we aren't winning games and that ISN'T good... I know that and I AM worried by the situation we find ourselves in... but I am NOT resigning to the fact that we are already down as many of you seem to have done. Plenty of fans turn up and the Walkers week in week out and basically sit there complaining about how rubbish we are... YES, most of the time we aren't very good... but occasionally we are getting the results and if we can manage to get a performance like the Bristol City match against the team who are TOP of the division, surely that should give us some hope that we can stay up! OK, we aren't scoring any goals... but that will eventually change. If we start scoring, we get more confidence and win games... all I'm asking is that we show a little support to the players and get behind them instead of actually getting on their backs... what good will constantly berating them do?

It's like running into a brick wall at times.

"If", "But", "Maybe", "Soon".

[Asha]

I would hope that if someone who knew nothing about football came along, they would watch the game instead of the fans.

then wthey would see that we are underachieving and the players were not playing well enough.

Maybe a fan would then explain that it had been like this for 3-4 years and they would understand the fans pessimism.

If we didn't support the club, we wouldn't care and so wouldn't be on any of these forums.

We can do better but we aren't and people are scared. You have to accept this and stop laying blame at the fans doors.

Agreed. It's not our fault we're 21st. It's not our fault Mandaric isn't consistant with managers. It's not our fault we made at least 10 shite signings in the summer.

After every game it's the same message to the fans, 'we need you'.

And I'm thinking fook off, we're all reasonably positive considering our league position and the shite we get served up every week.

[Zingari]

come on there were at least "signs" of improvements yesterday , but they were overshadowed by the results at other games

we will just scrape it but i dont think IH will be here for next season

[Trav Le Bleu]

Your positivity is fantastic and I applaud you for that, but I'm a pessimist and look at the hard facts; no goals in 3 of the last 4 at home, just 3 away wins all season, other teams around us finding form and with games in hand.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong but that's just the way I see it.

No, a REALIST looks at the hard facts and presents them as they are. A pessimist looks at the facts and concludes the worst possible.... which is what you are doing.

I agree with Filbo. We totally dominated Bristol, Etuhu looked great, Hendrie was good, in many ways it was a better performance than the 4-0 against Norwich. It just didn't break for us and Bristol's defence and especially the keeper, were very good. What we need to do is beat the 4 teams we still have to play in the similar position as us. It's still VERY tight. S****horpe and Colchester are down, then it's any one from possibly up to 10 teams.

If we beat Saints on Tuesday the mood will be completely different. I vote staying up - yesterday's performance was not that of a relegation team!

[dandannieldanok]

No, a REALIST looks at the hard facts and presents them as they are. A pessimist looks at the facts and concludes the worst possible.... which is what you are doing.

Well.......yes......I did say I was a pessimist.

[FilboFox]

If you brandish me as "you lot" one more time I'm really going to get annoyed. You absolutely have no idea how pathetic your statement is. I stand at the back of F1 every game chanting and getting behind my team. To what response? A bunch of twats only making noise when a decsion goes against us. Believe it or not, I don't stand there and preach all game about losses in certain situatuons, that's what the forums for. When I go to the game I back them 100%.

Let's flip it round and say you're constant positivity is the reason we're down there as they think what they're producing is acceptable.

Don't ever tell me how to support my team. This is clearly a dire situation. We were supposed to be challenging in the top half of the table this season and we're fighting relegation. We've been through three managers and god knows how many players as well.

That would be a fair point but I am not very happy with the players performances. That said, I still think that there is an improvement showing.

I'm glad that YOU support the team every week in F1 and sing your heart out because I've seen many others that just sit there and complain the whole time... and its THEM that annoy me as they come to the match EXPECTING us to be crap and lose. What kind of an attitude is that?

"Don't ever tell me how to support my team." Come on... you know as well as I do that what I say isn't going to make any difference to you so stop being so damn touchy. All I'm saying is that those who don't support the team whole heartedly, unlike you, should perhaps think about about backing them a little more... you must know as well as I do that there are MANY out there who just complain the whole time.

And once again, I reiterate, this is NOT the worst position we could be in and is FAR from dire. Its bad... very bad... and I'm not happy about it, but its NOT dire as there is still a very good chance that we could survive with 9 games left. Should we get to 3 games left and we are still precariously positioned, THEN I'll start to panic...

[Simi]

That would be a fair point but I am not very happy with the players performances. That said, I still think that there is an improvement showing.

I'm glad that YOU support the team every week in F1 and sing your heart out because I've seen many others that just sit there and complain the whole time... and its THEM that annoy me as they come to the match EXPECTING us to be crap and lose. What kind of an attitude is that?

"Don't ever tell me how to support my team." Come on... you know as well as I do that what I say isn't going to make any difference to you so stop being so damn touchy. All I'm saying is that those who don't support the team whole heartedly, unlike you, should perhaps think about about backing them a little more... you must know as well as I do that there are MANY out there who just complain the whole time.

And once again, I reiterate, this is NOT the worst position we could be in and is FAR from dire. Its bad... very bad... and I'm not happy about it, but its NOT dire as there is still a very good chance that we could survive with 9 games left. Should we get to 3 games left and we are still precariously positioned, THEN I'll start to panic...

I just did not like the "you lot" comment, that is all.

For now, I guess we'll agree to disagree.

[Mikey]

I voted safety!

You can't give up with 9 games to go..... We will survive!!!

[davieG]

Good for you... were all of those pessimistic years where you sat bemoaning the team?

OK, we aren't winning games and that ISN'T good... I know that and I AM worried by the situation we find ourselves in... but I am NOT resigning to the fact that we are already down as many of you seem to have done. Plenty of fans turn up and the Walkers week in week out and basically sit there complaining about how rubbish we are... YES, most of the time we aren't very good... but occasionally we are getting the results and if we can manage to get a performance like the Bristol City match against the team who are TOP of the division, surely that should give us some hope that we can stay up! OK, we aren't scoring any goals... but that will eventually change. If we start scoring, we get more confidence and win games... all I'm asking is that we show a little support to the players and get behind them instead of actually getting on their backs... what good will constantly berating them do?

Yuo do miss the point don't you, please stop with this support the players we do when we go to the matches.

No I'm not resigned to us going down but I do believe that the odds are well and truly stacked up against us, I consider myself a fairly logical thinker and logic tells me that that we more likely to go down than stay up. Not only because of our position in the league but because in spite of playing well on occasions we're still not scoring or winning games. Football history is awash with similar situations where decent teams go on runs where they can't score or cant's win - it happens!

We are renowned in recent years for performing poorly at home and especially against poor teams that come and defend, yet people seem to be blindly optimistic that we will beat Sheff Weds, S****horpe and Colchester. We have only won 3 games away yet people seem to be blindly optimistic that we will suddenly change that.

Yesterday we played well however why should that be a key to repeat performances when it clearly didn't after we beat Cov and Norwich.

Pessimism & Optimism don't come into my thinking serious thoughts about where, based on recent performances and results we might pick up the points we need. Frankly our best chance of survival is the failure of those around us to take advantage, unfortunately many of them didn't yesterday.

I sincerely hope that my logic is wrong and we start winning some games because relying on blind faith will get us nowhere

[FilboFox]

I would hope that if someone who knew nothing about football came along, they would watch the game instead of the fans.

then they would see that we are underachieving and the players were not playing well enough.

Maybe a fan would then explain that it had been like this for 3-4 years and they would understand the fans pessimism.

If we didn't support the club, we wouldn't care and so wouldn't be on any of these forums.

We can do better but we aren't and people are scared. You have to accept this and stop laying blame at the fans doors.

I'm not just blaming the fans... the players aren't playing well enough and I know that but there are signs of improvement, its just that its constantly the pessimism that is frustrating from some fans.

[dandannieldanok]

"Don't ever tell me how to support my team." Come on... you know as well as I do that what I say isn't going to make any difference to you so stop being so damn touchy. All I'm saying is that those who don't support the team whole heartedly, unlike you, should perhaps think about about backing them a little more... you must know as well as I do that there are MANY out there who just complain the whole time.

I'll tell you why people are getting so touchy, it is because you are saying people aren't supporting the team when in reality they (maybe yourself aswell I don't know) are the ones spending hundreds of pounds on season tickets/away travel e.t.c.

[FilboFox]

I just did not like the "you lot" comment, that is all.

For now, I guess we'll agree to disagree.

Guess so... sorry if I sounded rude or abrasive... I'm just passionate about Leicester and like to defend them... guess I should perhaps realise that things are tough... but I still think that with the games left and the fact we aren't in the relegation zone YET is reason to be slightly optimistic...

[accessory]

Agreed. It's not our fault we're 21st. It's not our fault Mandaric isn't consistant with managers. It's not our fault we made at least 10 shite signings in the summer.

After every game it's the same message to the fans, 'we need you'.

And I'm thinking fook off, we're all reasonably positive considering our league position and the shite we get served up every week.

Mandaric has been entirely consistent with managers. Every one he's appointed since taking us over has proved, one way or another, to be inadequate.