Scow Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 Thracian has a point about the amount of chances we're actually creating. Apart from Bristol City, we've not exactly been peppering the opposition's goal, have we? The Bristol City game seems to have distorted people's views about how well we're actually playing.
sdb Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 Thracian has a point about the amount of chances we're actually creating. Apart from Bristol City, we've not exactly been peppering the opposition's goal, have we? The Bristol City game seems to have distorted people's views about how well we're actually playing. fryatt and howard missed sitters on tuesday
Scow Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 fryatt and howard missed sitters on tuesday So? That's a measly 2 chances.
sdb Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 So? That's a measly 2 chances. which would've won us 3 massive points
Scow Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 which would've won us 3 massive points Which you could use for any team that misses sitters against us.
sdb Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 Which you could use for any team that misses sitters against us. but Bristol City and Southampton missed none against us simple fact of the matter is that we should've got at least 4 points from the last 2 games, if not 6. but our finishing has been terrible.
Scow Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 but Bristol City and Southampton missed none against us simple fact of the matter is that we should've got at least 4 points from the last 2 games, if not 6. but our finishing has been terrible. I'm not talking just about Bristol City and Southampton - it's over the whole season. We've been involved in games where the opposition has missed sitters against us and we've got away with it. I would say that we've struggled to create a number of chances in the majority of games this season.
sdb Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 I'm not talking just about Bristol City and Southampton - it's over the whole season. We've been involved in games where the opposition has missed sitters against us and we've got away with it.I would say that we've struggled to create a number of chances in the majority of games this season. yep maybe you're right but the last 2 games we should have won and because of some poor individual efforts from our strikers, we're talking about sacking yet another manager! that's what's bothering me!
Daggers Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 I wish we could make these polls public so that we would be able to see who the posters are who reckon we should get shot of our third manager of the season.
The People's Hero Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 That Iggle Piggle guy seems to know what he's talking about - plus, he's blue. I say get him in.
davieG Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 but Bristol City and Southampton missed none against us simple fact of the matter is that we should've got at least 4 points from the last 2 games, if not 6. but our finishing has been terrible. Didn't Bristol hit the woodwork twice, if that had have happened to us Ollie would have been on about us being the most unlucky team in the universe!
sdb Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 Didn't Bristol hit the woodwork twice, if that had have happened to us Ollie would have been on about us being the most unlucky team in the universe! they weren't sitters though!! and we should've scored about 6 in that game. even Gary Johnson conceded that we should have won comfortably
davieG Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 they weren't sitters though!! and we should've scored about 6 in that game. even Gary Johnson conceded that we should have won comfortably Sitters or not Ollie would have claimed them as bad luck, which they could be conceived as where as missing 'sitters' is just being shit!
sdb Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 Sitters or not Ollie would have claimed them as bad luck, which they could be conceived as where as missing 'sitters' is just being shit! smacking the bar from 25 yards isn't the same as Hume's chances in that game or Howard and Fryatt on tuesday though is it? anyway, for those with memories of gold fish, what should we do once Holloway is axed? Or do you get 10 point bonuses for sacking world record amounts of managers?
Tilley Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 No, sacking him and getting in yet ANOTHER manager will do nothing. He just needs to stop with the crap excuses and drop the media friendly one liners and get tough and give the players a rocket up their arses!
davieG Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 smacking the bar from 25 yards isn't the same as Hume's chances in that game or Howard and Fryatt on tuesday though is it?anyway, for those with memories of gold fish, what should we do once Holloway is axed? Or do you get 10 point bonuses for sacking world record amounts of managers? Did I say axe Ollie? I'm just disagreeing with your view that we are creating bucket loads of chances regularly and that missing sitters is bad luck or unfortunate, it isn't it's shit football. You can count the fingers on one hand the number of games where we've created all these chances and only a couple have failed to produce 3 points - so that leaves the vast majority of Ollie's games as toothless affairs. When you have Ollie describing the Southampton goal as "The ball has just dropped to Stern John and that is the maddest goal I have ever seen in my life" then he really has lost it, it was just shit defending and no doubt if that had fallen to one of our forwards they'd have missed it.
renards Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 No, sacking him and getting in yet ANOTHER manager will do nothing. He just needs to stop with the crap excuses and drop the media friendly one liners and get tough and give the players a rocket up their arses! I think most fans would agree with that some time ago, is it too late now? Never thought I would admit it, saw a post match interveiw with Colin willy puller after Palace draw against West Brom..he came a cross very well, praised West Brom, not how I rememeber him Has someone had a word, or has listening to Holloway grate on about luck, past 4 years and electricity pylons etc made even Col seem like your best mate
Tilley Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 Did I say axe Ollie? I'm just disagreeing with your view that we are creating bucket loads of chances regularly and that missing sitters is bad luck or unfortunate, it isn't it's shit football. You can count the fingers on one hand the number of games where we've created all these chances and only a couple have failed to produce 3 points - so that leaves the vast majority of Ollie's games as toothless affairs. When you have Ollie describing the Southampton goal as "The ball has just dropped to Stern John and that is the maddest goal I have ever seen in my life" then he really has lost it, it was just shit defending and no doubt if that had fallen to one of our forwards they'd have missed it. Yep, True. We couldn't clear our lines and got punished. As i said in my previous post, the one liners need to be dropped by Ollie & he needs to get tough with the players. I don't care if everyone of our next goals is a one yard tap in or a product of route one football. I just want to see us score, then build on playing god football.
sdb Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 Did I say axe Ollie? I'm just disagreeing with your view that we are creating bucket loads of chances regularly and that missing sitters is bad luck or unfortunate, it isn't it's shit football. You can count the fingers on one hand the number of games where we've created all these chances and only a couple have failed to produce 3 points - so that leaves the vast majority of Ollie's games as toothless affairs. When you have Ollie describing the Southampton goal as "The ball has just dropped to Stern John and that is the maddest goal I have ever seen in my life" then he really has lost it, it was just shit defending and no doubt if that had fallen to one of our forwards they'd have missed it. i think that's been taken out of context. i think he was basically saying it was terrible defending, which it was. it was also Southamptons only real chance in the game. i'm not saying missing chances is bad luck. i'm saying our misfiring strikers shouldn't lead to our manager getting the sack, because they're the main culprits and with almost anybody else up top we'd not be in thie relegation zone right now
davieG Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 i think that's been taken out of context. i think he was basically saying it was terrible defending, which it was. it was also Southamptons only real chance in the game.i'm not saying missing chances is bad luck. i'm saying our misfiring strikers shouldn't lead to our manager getting the sack, because they're the main culprits and with almost anybody else up top we'd not be in thie relegation zone right now But they haven't been misfiring for most of his tenure a couple of weeks back everyone was bemoaning how few chances we created and that you couldn't blame the forwards, we get a couple of games where we create more than we normally do and suddenly everything is the strikers fault and it's got nothing to do with the negative way we've been playing in the majority of games under Ollie. I've not called for Ollies head as I rather think it's case of Hobson's Choice, either way could bring failure or success but want we should not do is be blinkered to his obvious failings and use a couple half decent yet still unsuccessful games to cloud our thinking.
Chrysalis Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 Quite the contrary. Wins over Villa, League leaders of the time Watford, and Bristol City, Ipswich, Charlton, Cardiff (away) and a wonderful performance against Chelsea show what the players CAN do and we've very rarely been taken apart by anyone. Our problems are all down to confidence, team selection, sustained tempo, effective tactics and appropriate motivational psychology. I actually agree with him if the financial resources were there and I was chairman I would be tempted to ship out the entire first team in the summer and start again. I expect there is a rot on the squad which will stay if we only add a few players at a time. The fact they up their game against premiership opposition only proves this.
Nationwider Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 Deuchar's been signed up by an MLS team, so isn't available.Holloway's consistently failed to motivate the quality players already on our books, so why should adding another one make any difference? The Deucher thing was more tongue-in-cheek. I was aware he'd joined some obscure US side. Healy and Nugent are better players than any of the current strikers. We're not being routinely turned over 4-0 or 5-0. We need a goal here and there to turn the 0-0s into 1-0s. Whilst our problems are deep-rooted, a quick fix up-front is maybe more likely to yield immmediate results than the entire team undergoing some kind of Damascus experience and starting to play like Brazil.
smokey Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 Am i the only person who is a big Holloway fan?? Yes i know he hasnt set the world a light and yes it is very worrying at the moment, but all the problems started way before ollie came. He is the only manager who as seen such a a well oversized squad full of rubbish brought by other managers(mainly the clueless Allen) and cleared them out, i think that took up a lot of time and money! He didnt even let them train with us and lets be honest, hammond and porter would of gone too if fit! He now as a smaller and better squad and yes i know its not great at the moment but if we can stay up i think ollie can add 3 or 4 quality players and ship more crap out and finnally have a chance of working his magic, i just hope the fans and MM see this and give him a chance, not just a few months.
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