Lisburn Fox Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 Ollie has to stay I think he will get us out of this mess and then move forward if we are going to get relegated do you really think with 8 games left a miracle worker will come in and save us? WHEN we do stay up and he has a full pre season and gets rid of the dead wood I really do believe his type of management is what we need. It is time to stop calling for every managers head. Facts: Yes we are in the SH*T, Yes we need 14 points from 8 games, Yes we have been poor, NO we don't just sack another manager, No we don't get on the clubs back, at the end of the season when we scrape through then we get onto the backs of players, manager & chaimen and in no uncertain terms let them know we cannot go through that again. I know alot won't agree but lets face it sacking managers has not worked so far why would it work now.
Zingari Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go! ( ollie cromwell)
Dr_Fox Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 Remember what Holloway said after a poor start to life here: "Judge me after January when I have my own players" Personally I disliked the importance Holloway placed on the transfer window and the effect that was likely to have on the players already here...well January is a distant memory, this is Holloway's squad now so he will be happy to be judged now and I'm sorry but he is not good enough Holloway has had 5 months to sort us out and instead he's made us worse. We are in the bottom three with only 8 games to go (not to mention the games in hand all the other teams have on us) and he has the worst points percentage of any manager in recent years...so what exactly are the reasons to keep him here?? Holloway should go back to doing what he does well; working on a shoestring budget with low expectations and leave the big budgets to managers who know how to spend it wisely Na na na na na na Fook Off Holloway!
Ric Flair Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 Too right!!What a tosser I imagine Daggers will fastly be changing his opinion now you've agreed with him.
lookwhaticando Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 I imagine Daggers will fastly be changing his opinion now you've agreed with him. :laugh:
Ash Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 Stay We shouldnt give up on this bloke, Dont forget he was given a shit squad to build with. Okay some of his signings have been poor but some have been good! We always give up on managers, we should give them time. You lot have the same mentality as Mandaric at times
Thracian Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 Ha ha. The swingometer's gone around to positive as people have calmed down after Southampon. Which means waiting a bit longer I suppose. Like that bird that puts its head in the sand just as we've been doing over so many things. We've got a goals drought. We throw away Shush!'s goals and don't replace them. Throw away Gradel's goals and don't replace them. The fail to play anyone apart from our misfiring strikers who are likely to get goals. And still the Colisseum keeps its thumbs up. I've listed an alphabet full of things we need changing. If that list was an MOT the car would be scrapped. And what makes it worse is that it the problems are so unnecessary. There was no reason we should ever have ended up in this situation.
Thracian Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 By Friday their might even be calls for Holloway to sign a contract extension. Perhaps his family are voting.
STUHILL Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 Keep him, even if it means relegation. I can't be arsed with another 'New Manager' thread!
teblin Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 Maybe milan isn't getting rid until he has an imediebte replacement like he did with kelly last year?
Jon the Hat Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 Ha ha. The swingometer's gone around to positive as people have calmed down after Southampon.Which means waiting a bit longer I suppose. Like that bird that puts its head in the sand just as we've been doing over so many things. We've got a goals drought. We throw away Shush!'s goals and don't replace them. Throw away Gradel's goals and don't replace them. The fail to play anyone apart from our misfiring strikers who are likely to get goals. And still the Colisseum keeps its thumbs up. I've listed an alphabet full of things we need changing. If that list was an MOT the car would be scrapped. And what makes it worse is that it the problems are so unnecessary. There was no reason we should ever have ended up in this situation. The problems are here regardless of how they got here. How would getting rid now possibly help?
dandannieldanok Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 Go, as long as Mandaric and all the players follow too.
Micky Ruddle Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 I really do not hope Ollie goes. Even though he is going through a bad period, he will sort us out if not this season, the next. We now need stability and need to stop changing managers now and then. It's made this club a joke already. So basically, no. He doesn't have to go!
teblin Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 I really do not hope Ollie goes. Even though he is going through a bad period, he will sort us out if not this season, the next. We now need stability and need to stop changing managers now and then. It's made this club a joke already.So basically, no. He doesn't have to go! Would you change the manager if it meant we would stay up? Or go down and have stabilty? As if we go down it could well be far from stable as milan might just walk away.
davieG Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 I really do not hope Ollie goes. Even though he is going through a bad period, he will sort us out if not this season, the next. We now need stability and need to stop changing managers now and then. It's made this club a joke already.So basically, no. He doesn't have to go! Well if Ollie takes us down I don't think I could bear having him in charge he wasn't my favourite choice by a long way (not after he managed QPR against LCFC in the worse game of football I've ever witnessed) and for him to be part responsible for our potebtial demise would be unbearable and unforgivable. Mind you I feel the same way about Mandaric.
Thracian Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 The problems are here regardless of how they got here. How would getting rid now possibly help? Assuming we did the sensible thing and appointed Taggart/Beaglehole until the end of the season at least I'm quite sure we'd soon get the team attacking and defending in numbers and as a unit, soon have confidence restored, soon have King, Beswick and perhaps even Shush! back involved and soon get some goals again.
STUHILL Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 Would you change the manager if it meant we would stay up?Or go down and have stabilty? As if we go down it could well be far from stable as milan might just walk away. If Milan walked away! He would be assassinated
AndyBrew Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 personally I felt Martin Allen was just starting to get the measure of things after the Watford game, and was astonished when he went, and I felt then that we were doomed I can't see sacking Ollie will have any positive effect on the team with so few games left we just have to hope somebody finds their scoring boots quickly!!
Joe. Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 Stay. I'm sick of this "sack him" bollocks. He's more than capable for us, he just needs the time. Whether he'll keep us up is a different matter but if he does he should stay. He should be allowed the whole summer to sign who he likes (within reason obviously), get rid of who he likes and do things his way. if results don't pick up after that there's no excuses. But right now I want Ian Holloway as our manager, he's not a bad one at all and he will keep us up.
davieG Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 Assuming we did the sensible thing and appointed Taggart/Beaglehole until the end of the season at least I'm quite sure we'd soon get the team attacking and defending in numbers and as a unit, soon have confidence restored, soon have King, Beswick and perhaps even Shush! back involved and soon get some goals again. I think that's wishful thinking - fear would overcome their natural approach as it seems to with all managers. I doubt the team would alter at all, they might get more out of them at least that's all I think you could hope for whoever came in. That's pretty much all that Wortho did.
Scow Posted 12 March 2008 Posted 12 March 2008 In the position we're in now, I don't believe sacking him would make much or any difference at all. If we change the manager then we're just back to square one again. If the gamble paid off and we did stay up, then MM would have to appoint another manager (god help us) and then it's another huge investment in the buying and selling of new players that a new manager would want, which probably means another year wasted. Alternatively, if we went down, the same situation would arise, but on a smaller scale. Sticking with Ollie may mean relegation, if it does, then we bloody deserve it. Not just because of Ollie, but the players, MM, Allen and others can take a share of the blame. We do have the ability to stay up, no doubt about it, but the mentality seems weak, which is emphasised by the lack of leaders we have on the pitch. Confidence is fragile, but it seems some are using this an excuse to go missing in games and not scrapping it out to grind out results - the likes of Hume and Clemence certainly give that impression, two of the more talented players. If we have Ollie in place for next season, irrespective of what division we're in, I'm hoping this would mean we could retain some stability and gives us a better chance of long-term success.
FilboFox Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 Hmm... staying has taken the lead for like the first time... GOOD!
Thracian Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 In the position we're in now, I don't believe sacking him would make much or any difference at all.If we change the manager then we're just back to square one again. If the gamble paid off and we did stay up, then MM would have to appoint another manager (god help us) and then it's another huge investment in the buying and selling of new players that a new manager would want, which probably means another year wasted. Alternatively, if we went down, the same situation would arise, but on a smaller scale. Sticking with Ollie may mean relegation, if it does, then we bloody deserve it. Not just because of Ollie, but the players, MM, Allen and others can take a share of the blame. We do have the ability to stay up, no doubt about it, but the mentality seems weak, which is emphasised by the lack of leaders we have on the pitch. Confidence is fragile, but it seems some are using this an excuse to go missing in games and not scrapping it out to grind out results - the likes of Hume and Clemence certainly give that impression, two of the more talented players. If we have Ollie in place for next season, irrespective of what division we're in, I'm hoping this would mean we could retain some stability and gives us a better chance of long-term success. That's a considered opinion with some good and valid points but if confidence is fragile and our mentality weak, why do you consider Holloway to be a potentially successful manager?
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