Scow Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 That's a considered opinion with some good and valid points but if confidence is fragile and our mentality weak, why do you consider Holloway to be a potentially successful manager? I'm sick to death of changing managers and having to start again. Confidence and mentality has been lacking for some time now, not just since Ollie has come in. I'm not sure he's the man to take us forward, but I'm encouraged by the jobs he's done at previous clubs. The concern is that he's taking on more than he can chew. Someone mentioned it earlier that perhaps he can't handle managing a club of our size and all the money that's come from MM. It's a lot different to the experiences he's had at Bristol Rovers, QPR and Plymouth where he's had little to spend. Saying that, we should not be in the position we're in now and Ollie needs to take responsibility for it and stop making excuses.
Kilworthfox Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 If we got rid of Holloway, What would it achieve? The team is not playing bad just not finishing their chances.
Thracian Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 If we got rid of Holloway, What would it achieve?The team is not playing bad just not finishing their chances. It might achieve a great deal considering all the times we could have won matches and didn't, considering our present and rapidly worsening predicament and considering it seems unlikely that Holloway will make the adjustments to our team structure, our tactics, and the approach to substitutions needed. Everyone seems to agree we've got a better team now and better players all round. Does the fact that Holloway's getting worse results with a "better team" not say something? For me Holloway too often reacts first and thinks later.
Kilworthfox Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 It might achieve a great deal considering all the times we could have wonm matches and didn't, considering our present and rapidly worsening predicament and considering it seems unlikely that Holloway will make the adjustments to our team structure, our tactics, and the approach to substitutions needed.Everyone seems to agree we've got a better team now and better players all round. Does the fact that Holloway's getting worse results with a "better team" not say something? For me Holloway too often reacts first and thinks later. Well in general we are not playing like a side who looks like will be relegated, just finishing like one. I don't see how changing tactics will achieve anything. Holloways judgement may be in question with some on here but I really don't think he has done that much wrong. We are playing as well as i have seen in a long while just not finishing. The goals have to come logic suggests and we do create chances and it has to come off of someones arse some time. Maybe WBA will be the change of fortune for our strikers. I hope so, I just don't see how binning a guy who has not been to the sides detrement deserves to be sacked. the strikers need to finish their dinner then we will be fine and dandy.
Thracian Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 Well in general we are not playing like a side who looks like will be relegated, just finishing like one. I don't see how changing tactics will achieve anything.Holloways judgement may be in question with some on here but I really don't think he has done that much wrong. We are playing as well as i have seen in a long while just not finishing. The goals have to come logic suggests and we do create chances and it has to come off of someones arse some time. Maybe WBA will be the change of fortune for our strikers. I hope so, I just don't see how binning a guy who has not been to the sides detrement deserves to be sacked. the strikers need to finish their dinner then we will be fine and dandy. I wish I could share your confidence. To me we're playing exactly like a relegation team. Even at Southampton, after an excellent chance during an early flurry, we never went at the game with the same urgency as when Southampton had scored. You have to make your own luck and you don't do that by playing great chunks of matches in cruise control or without a collective commitment to going forward. Managers set the agenda. It is they who re-invigorate nervy minds and who can get a team marauding forwards. We're not doing that. We're hedging our bets all the time. Like at Blackpool and Hull, Charlton and Wolves after we'd gone ahead.
STUHILL Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 Well in general we are not playing like a side who looks like will be relegated, just finishing like one. I don't see how changing tactics will achieve anything.Holloways judgement may be in question with some on here but I really don't think he has done that much wrong. We are playing as well as i have seen in a long while just not finishing. The goals have to come logic suggests and we do create chances and it has to come off of someones arse some time. Maybe WBA will be the change of fortune for our strikers. I hope so, I just don't see how binning a guy who has not been to the sides detrement deserves to be sacked. the strikers need to finish their dinner then we will be fine and dandy. I agree totally with that. It's not like we are out of ideas or not making any chances! We really are, and if only our strikers or any of them for that matter would just bury some of these easy chances in the back of the net!! I think Holloway is doing a lot of good things here and I just hope MM see's that and doesn't sack yet another manager. We can't keep changing, we need to stick no matter what!
Strokes Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 I agree totally with that. It's not like we are out of ideas or not making any chances! We really are, and if only our strikers or any of them for that matter would just bury some of these easy chances in the back of the net!! I think Holloway is doing a lot of good things here and I just hope MM see's that and doesn't sack yet another manager. We can't keep changing, we need to stick no matter what! I agree, even if we go down.
Daggers Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 Ollie isn't working properly - maybe we can just swap him for a new Ollie at the store, as long as Mandy kept the receipt.
Fox You Forest Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 I have the 3 Red's on mine atm My vote was stay.
Super Arj Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 our form this season has proved its not the managers -ITS THE FACKING PLAYERSS!!
Thracian Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 our form this season has proved its not the managers-ITS THE FACKING PLAYERSS!! Quite the contrary. Wins over Villa, League leaders of the time Watford, and Bristol City, Ipswich, Charlton, Cardiff (away) and a wonderful performance against Chelsea show what the players CAN do and we've very rarely been taken apart by anyone. Our problems are all down to confidence, team selection, sustained tempo, effective tactics and appropriate motivational psychology.
MPH Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 I wish I could share your confidence. To me we're playing exactly like a relegation team. Even at Southampton, after an excellent chance during an early flurry, we never went at the game with the same urgency as when Southampton had scored. You have to make your own luck and you don't do that by playing great chunks of matches in cruise control or without a collective commitment to going forward. Managers set the agenda. It is they who re-invigorate nervy minds and who can get a team marauding forwards. We're not doing that. We're hedging our bets all the time. Like at Blackpool and Hull, Charlton and Wolves after we'd gone ahead. How does one play like a relegation team? You create lots of chances? you play the league leaders off the park? Is that what relegation teams do? the FOOTBALL we have been playing very recently has been far from relegation standard, the finishing however, has been woeful. Coincidently i think we have played far better without clemance in the team. ominous.
Thracian Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 How does one play like a relegation team? You create lots of chances? you play the league leaders off the park? Is that what relegation teams do? the FOOTBALL we have been playing very recently has been far from relegation standard, the finishing however, has been woeful. Coincidently i think we have played far better without clemance in the team. ominous. Don't try to kid me that Bristol City was the norm. It wasn't. I recall two chances at Southampton. And what about Coventry away and Watford away and Blackpool away and Nowich away? Or Palace, Plymouth and Charlton at home. Tell me please about all the wondrous chances we had? In fact tell me about the times we've started a game attacking at speed and in numbers and tried to sustain it? We rarely raise our pace about steady. Unless the opposition scores.
sdb Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 Ha ha. The swingometer's gone around to positive as people have calmed down after Southampon.Which means waiting a bit longer I suppose. Like that bird that puts its head in the sand just as we've been doing over so many things. We've got a goals drought. We throw away Shush!'s goals and don't replace them. Throw away Gradel's goals and don't replace them. The fail to play anyone apart from our misfiring strikers who are likely to get goals. And still the Colisseum keeps its thumbs up. I've listed an alphabet full of things we need changing. If that list was an MOT the car would be scrapped. And what makes it worse is that it the problems are so unnecessary. There was no reason we should ever have ended up in this situation. clown!! Shush!'s goals? you what?! you're so narrow minded it's embarrassing. do you expect managers to turn a pile of turd into something beautiful in such a short space of time? miserable tarts like yourself, moaning all the time, do nothing to help the situation. our youth team manager will not be our saviour and if he and our younger players are the gods you build them up to be then they wouldn't be playing for leicester city reserves, or bournemouth, or lincon, or leeds. get real you complete plonker!
Thracian Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 clown!!Shush!'s goals? you what?! you're so narrow minded it's embarrassing. do you expect managers to turn a pile of turd into something beautiful in such a short space of time? miserable tarts like yourself, moaning all the time, do nothing to help the situation. our youth team manager will not be our saviour and if he and our younger players are the gods you build them up to be then they wouldn't be playing for leicester city reserves, or bournemouth, or lincon, or leeds. get real you complete plonker! I'll tell you what real is. Bottom three in the League with, in many ways, the same faults as last year when we did pretty much the same. And it has sod all to do with Shush!. If Holloway had brought someone in to replace Shush!'s contribution or to mirror the likely contribution of Gradel no problem whatsoever. But he hasn't. Those goals/assists/potential goals have not been replaced and that's coincided with all our increasingly pressured strikers firing blanks. Football is essentially a narrow minded excercise - it's about the manager picking a team and working out an approach which will have his lot scoring more goals than the opposition. We hardly ever score at all so who's the sodding plonker?
Nationwider Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 He should stay. He should not say another word to the media until the season's over. He should have considered recalling one player currently on loan. He should have considered using a promising young striker as an impact sub, instead of those shitters Hayles and Fryatt. He should go balls-out for Healy or Nugent. Hell, he should get Kenny Deucher for eight games - he may not have played at a comparable standard, but slotting home from 6 yards is second nature when you've done it about 3,000 times in the last 5 seasons.
Thracian Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 He should stay.He should not say another word to the media until the season's over. He should have considered recalling one player currently on loan. He should have considered using a promising young striker as an impact sub, instead of those shitters Hayles and Fryatt. He should go balls-out for Healy or Nugent. Hell, he should get Kenny Deucher for eight games - he may not have played at a comparable standard, but slotting home from 6 yards is second nature when you've done it about 3,000 times in the last 5 seasons. Won't solve our other problems but it sounds okay to me.
sdb Posted 13 March 2008 Posted 13 March 2008 I'll tell you what real is. Bottom three in the League with, in many ways, the same faults as last year when we did pretty much the same.And it has sod all to do with Shush!. If Holloway had brought someone in to replace Shush!'s contribution or to mirror the likely contribution of Gradel no problem whatsoever. But he hasn't. Those goals/assists/potential goals have not been replaced and that's coincided with all our increasingly pressured strikers firing blanks. Football is essentially a narrow minded excercise - it's about the manager picking a team and working out an approach which will have his lot scoring more goals than the opposition. We hardly ever score at all so who's the sodding plonker? matty fryatt, iain hume, dj campbell and steve howard. if they were playing well we'd probably be safe now. they've had enough chances.
accessory Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 He should stay.He should not say another word to the media until the season's over. He should have considered recalling one player currently on loan. He should have considered using a promising young striker as an impact sub, instead of those shitters Hayles and Fryatt. He should go balls-out for Healy or Nugent. Hell, he should get Kenny Deucher for eight games - he may not have played at a comparable standard, but slotting home from 6 yards is second nature when you've done it about 3,000 times in the last 5 seasons. Deuchar's been signed up by an MLS team, so isn't available. Holloway's consistently failed to motivate the quality players already on our books, so why should adding another one make any difference?
accessory Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 Has to stay I think, "change is not good". And relegation is?
FilboFox Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 And relegation is? Who says that no change will bring relegation OR that change would stave off relegation? Nobody can possibly say... as it is, I am not at all worried about us going down left as there are still loads of games left. I'll start to worry when it gets closer to the end...
LeeCovFox Posted 14 March 2008 Posted 14 March 2008 I've decided to retract my previous statement, which supported Ollie out. It was said in disappointment, anger, and mainly fear, after the emotional battering that the Southampton gave me in relation to this club. Other than that night, I have been vocal in my support of Ollie. I still think he is the man for the job. The only manager since Martin O'Neill who has been given what I would define as enough time to manage this club and mould it into his own style was Micky Adams. It cannot be coincidence that he is the only manger since Martin O'Neill left for Celtic that has brought us success. And that is exactly what he did bring us, relative to the realistic historical expectations of this club. So Ollie, the members of this board. I was wrong. Lets stick with this guy. Give him time to make it work. We may go down. We may not. Either way, this club needs to rebuild. The rebuild needs to be part of a long term plan. In ten years time, if such a plan is executed and is successful, it won't matter much from which division the rebuilding process began, other than to be a dent in our collective pride. I have had my pride dented before. I will again. Its life. You dust yurself down, and you get on with it. Come on boys. Stay up. Do it for the fans, the manager, yourselves. Do it for whoever or whatever motivates you more than anything else. But don't worry Leicester City Football Club, because whatever mistakes that you make, some of us aren't going anywhere.
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