The Fallen British In Afghanistan

[MikeyT]

Thought this should have a thread!

Fair play to the boys out there doing a great job. To the ones who are still out there and to the ones who unfortunately havent made it back home again I know its their choice at the end of the day, but no one can deny thay arent doing a great job!

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[MPH]

Thought this should have a thread!

Fair play to the boys out there doing a great job. To the ones who are still out there and to the ones who unfortunately havent made it back home again I know its their choice at the end of the day, but no one can deny thay arent doing a great job!

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/disp...command=newPage

Huge respect to the soldiers on the ground.

[Daggers]

Why are we there again?

Seven years and we have achieved precisely what?

My heart goes out to the families of those who have died because, when you listen to them talking, they don't believe in the cause. What a shame.

[Darkzzz_]

Why are we there again?

Seven years and we have achieved precisely what?

My heart goes out to the families of those who have died because, when you listen to them talking, they don't believe in the cause. What a shame.

Spot on!!

It is so sad to see the body count rise, the woman that was killed was very sad, i seen her dad on TV last night....

They are brave brave people, i couldn't do it!!

[Daggers]

They are brave brave people, i couldn't do it!!

I could.

If enemy forces were fluffy toys and the job of the Army was to eat cream cakes.

I could do that.

[MPH]

Why are we there again?

Seven years and we have achieved precisely what?

My heart goes out to the families of those who have died because, when you listen to them talking, they don't believe in the cause. What a shame.

its hard to believe in a cause when you have just lost your son or daughter - not sure i totally agree with why we are STILL there either, but hence my pointing out that its the soldiers on the ground that get my respect .. going out each day not sure whether you will make it back..

[Hullfox]

It must be heart breaking for the families who have lost a loved one but at the end of the day, the guys have signed up for a dangerous job.

[davieG]

It must be heart breaking for the families who have lost a loved one but at the end of the day, the guys have signed up for a dangerous job.

If they didn't enrol there would be no one to send and no one to die and our successive governments might be forced to take on a more neutral stance.

We are no longer the British Empire we are a relatively small country who's main resource is people let's look after them and stop thinking we are the big I am leave that to the likes of George Bush.

But condolences to anyone who've lost a loved one as I'm sure most of them were not overly keen on their families joining the forces.

[Daggers]

We are no longer the British Empire we are a relatively small country who's main resource is people let's look after them and stop thinking we are the big

Blimey blinking flip!

You'll be saying City aren't a massive team next!

[davieG]

Blimey blinking flip!

You'll be saying City aren't a massive team next!

Nope! Our team is as big as anyone's, the club on the other is shrinking day by day.

[Guest]

If they didn't enrol there would be no one to send and no one to die and our successive governments might be forced to take on a more neutral stance.

But they do enrol. Through their own choice. Which is why I can't muster much sympathy.

[SamL]

They're doing a great job, very admirable. Although they signed themselves up for it, it's still a very dangerous job they're doing and they deserve a lot of praise. It's definitely a job I couldn't do.

It's always sad when you hear that yet another soldier has died, even though you don't know them.

[Hullfox]

They're doing a great job,

Discuss

[Steven]

Why are we there again?

Seven years and we have achieved precisely what?

My heart goes out to the families of those who have died because, when you listen to them talking, they don't believe in the cause. What a shame.

To try and get that nice Gordon Brown elected again as PM.

[stez]

If they didn't enrol there would be no one to send and no one to die and our successive governments might be forced to take on a more neutral stance.

We are no longer the British Empire we are a relatively small country who's main resource is people let's look after them and stop thinking we are the big I am leave that to the likes of George Bush.

But condolences to anyone who've lost a loved one as I'm sure most of them were not overly keen on their families joining the forces.

if no one enrolled people would be conscripted. there's always plenty of cannon fodder to call up.

as for the woman who got killed, why is she more important than the lads that died with her?

[Webbo]

as for the woman who got killed, why is she more important than the lads that died with her?

That's what my wife said, I disagreed. When she asked me to explain I couldn't. It's just the way I feel.

[Flynny]

But they do enrol. Through their own choice. Which is why I can't muster much sympathy.

I have to agree with that, but only in the cases where the family demand to know why it happened afterwards, which is quite rare in fairness. One of the families of someone who got killed recently were really stoic about it, I found THAT more touching, I don't know why.

We're still there at the request of their government apparantly, which I've not particularly got any problem with. Afghanistan was a valid target when we went in and until we can get it more settled or palm it off on someone else, it'd be worse to leave at the minute.

That's what my wife said, I disagreed. When she asked me to explain I couldn't. It's just the way I feel.

It is different. I think its because we're all still pretty aware of the differences between the sexes. Women are a touch more vunerable, a bit physically weaker, and imagining a woman dying instead of the tough army boys hits home a little more. It's like when someone 18 dies or something.

It's not "more important", just more emotionally resonant.

[Thracian]

If they didn't enrol there would be no one to send and no one to die and our successive governments might be forced to take on a more neutral stance.

We are no longer the British Empire we are a relatively small country who's main resource is people let's look after them and stop thinking we are the big I am leave that to the likes of George Bush.

But condolences to anyone who've lost a loved one as I'm sure most of them were not overly keen on their families joining the forces.

What a deep debate.

Trouble is there are and always have been people who would seek to impose their will on other people be it religiously or philosophically and if you don't like it someone, somehow has to fight against it.

I'm just not convinced that physical warfare is the best way to win.

To me, if you don't want Muslims, Nazis, or anyone else you might name to dominate society and to impose their will over yours then you have to somehow demonstrate that your own philosophies are better.

I say that because someone WILL lead, at least that's been the case so far.

My own instinct would be to fight through words. Even subtle words can be so powerful when used properly.

But just how difficult it is to succeed is only emphasised by how few on here have been persuaded that we need speed, sklll and fast passing to restore our footballing fortunes not old men, albeit experienced, who've lost their athleticism and desire.

So, it isn't ever easy to change people's attitudes and beliefs, especially if they are subject to constant brainwashing by those who have a vested interest in maintaining their own source of power.

But physical warfare isn't easy either. In fact it's a dead end for many participants not to mention the misery suffered by the wounded and the families of both dead and wounded.

We, like some other nations, contrive to make glory out of warfare for a multitude of reasons. But, in fact, physical warfare is obscene and testimony only to man's immorality. ambition, ignorance, intollerance and mental limitations.

I don't know about "neutrality" but have Germany and Japan got it so wrong by adopting an essentially pacific stance?

[Hullfox]

My own instinct would be to fight through words. Even subtle words can be so powerful when used properly.

Indeed, a strongly worded letter to Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban would have sorted the job out a long time ago.

[davieG]

Indeed, a strongly worded letter to Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban would have sorted the job out a long time ago.

I think that's a bit disingenuous as it would really depend on when those words were spoken and how they were delivered, obviously if you leave it too late to talk and precede it with a dismissive and arrogant approach then clearly words alone are less likely to work.

[Hullfox]

I think that's a bit disingenuous as it would really depend on when those words were spoken and how they were delivered, obviously if you leave it too late to talk and precede it with a dismissive and arrogant approach then clearly words alone are less likely to work.

In which case, a strongly worded letter from Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban would have sorted the job out a long time ago.

[davieG]

In which case, a strongly worded letter from Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban would have sorted the job out a long time ago.

Now you're getting there

[Steven]

Now you're getting there

Always be reasonable first rather than unreasonable because if unreasonable doesn't work then you have nowhere to go.