dynamite foxes Posted 9 April 2005 Posted 9 April 2005 Right I know some of you think that Connolly is good (and I know none of you think De vries is good). I think that he is an average (Championship) player, but we are building for the future and if we get players in now who can play at the highest level in future (i.e. Maybury, Hughes, McCarthy) then we will find it easier to survive in the Prem. So, we could get money for de Vries (highly rated in Scotland) and Connolly ( a known goalscorer) if we did this then we could bring in a Boyd or Riordan (a goalscorer!). I really think that if you want to get promoted what you need is a goalscorer and we don't have one! So I plead to you Craig please buy Boyd, I have heard he is a quality striker and is a target man as well as a finisher and a dribbler, he is not the quickest, but he has more pace than any of our strikers. So, with hopefully Boyd filling one slot maybe someone from Sweden or whatever. I really think that a striker and a captain would be the last piece in the jigsaw puzzle for now. De Vries is awfyl! Longest post I have ever posted, please read and criticise or praise it. I wish Chambo could play instead of De Vries, but he isn't exactly a target man, I heard he is a bout 5ft but bloody quick
Mark Posted 9 April 2005 Posted 9 April 2005 At the end of the day, Connolly was a prolific goalscorer before we signed him at more than a few clubs, as was De Vries - somehow The players you mention have scored goals this season, but the same can be said for our current strikers last season. De Vries ain't going anywhere, one of Levein's favourites i imagine. Terrifies me thinking about the next 3 years of that up front!
dynamite foxes Posted 9 April 2005 Author Posted 9 April 2005 I think that De Vries could go, Levein strikes me as not for favourites and if De Vries doesn't hit form this season I think we could see him leave.
dynamite foxes Posted 9 April 2005 Author Posted 9 April 2005 At the end of the day, Connolly was a prolific goalscorer before we signed him at more than a few clubs, as was De Vries - somehow The players you mention have scored goals this season, but the same can be said for our current strikers last season. 90562[/snapback] good point but I think that Levein actually watches players before he signs them, where as I know for a fact that Adams bought Connolly on reputation and recommendation, whereas Levein will go and watch a player.
C-man Posted 9 April 2005 Posted 9 April 2005 At the end of the day, Connolly was a prolific goalscorer before we signed him at more than a few clubs, as was De Vries - somehow The players you mention have scored goals this season, but the same can be said for our current strikers last season.De Vries ain't going anywhere, one of Levein's favourites i imagine. Terrifies me thinking about the next 3 years of that up front! 90562[/snapback] De Vries will be better next year, he needs to adapt to the league and get fitter, heres hoping...
filbertway Posted 9 April 2005 Posted 9 April 2005 Let e vries go, keep conners, lets see if this young slovenian lad can do the biz
dynamite foxes Posted 9 April 2005 Author Posted 9 April 2005 Connolly's our best player. 90566[/snapback] I really in the strongest and politest terms debate that! I don't think that he could hit a barn door with a banjo! B)
Fez of Mahrez Posted 9 April 2005 Posted 9 April 2005 I honestly think CL's attitude towards de Vries could be the making or breaking of "the next MON". We will not get near the play-offs next season with this useless lump up front, whereas we are offloading a bunch of high earners in the summer and can afford to stick some wages on a quality centre-forward. We should still claw enough points together to stay up but there are two key lessons that CL needs to learn 1) Lilian Nalis costs us goals. 2) Mark de Vries is rubbish. If CL learns both of these lessons then we can get promoted next season. If he doesn't learn either then we'll be in this position again next season.
Anish Posted 9 April 2005 Posted 9 April 2005 This thread baffles me. Just last week I was slating MDV and you (Dynamite Foxes) were criticising me for my [harsh but fair imo] comments regarding how poor he is. One week on and you seem to agree that he is useless after all. What has made you change your mind about him?
Wellman Posted 9 April 2005 Posted 9 April 2005 Connolly played really well today in my opinion. He was my man of the match and he really wanted it today where as other players couldn't give a duck. BTW where the leicester fans were sitting, next to us in the brighton end was Gillespie, Gemill, Heath, and 2 other people, none of them seemd interested, and I@m not making this up, but Gillespie had the radio on in his eye most probably listening to the Grand National!
breadandcheese Posted 9 April 2005 Posted 9 April 2005 For everyone having a go at Nalis, he did not cost us the 2 points today. That was Hughes and his moment of madness. It was irresponsible. He let down the club today. True, Nalis has been woefully off form and will not be a loss to us when he returns to France in the summer, however, the substitution had to be made today. We had already had Hughes sent off, whilst Tiatto was on a yellow card and had tired legs (a recipe for a late challenge). Rather than risk going down to 9 men, it was the right thing to do. The only critcism is whether Nalis should have been on the bench or Gemmill? Ha ha Or maybe Dawson (I haven't seen him play so cannot say)
Ricey Posted 9 April 2005 Posted 9 April 2005 Connolly and De Vries have both been poor this season but they will both be better next season trust me
Anish Posted 9 April 2005 Posted 9 April 2005 Connolly and De Vries have both been poor this season but they will both be better next season trust me 90600[/snapback] Nobody can say that with any certainty - last season when we went down we all thought we'd be up in the promotion picture this season, but that's been way offf mark too.
dynamite foxes Posted 9 April 2005 Author Posted 9 April 2005 Anish I apologise, I thought that all de Vries neede was a goal, but it doesn't appear that way.
Ricey Posted 9 April 2005 Posted 9 April 2005 Connolly and De Vries have both been poor this season but they will both be better next season trust me 90600[/snapback] Nobody can say that with any certainty - last season when we went down we all thought we'd be up in the promotion picture this season, but that's been way offf mark too. 90604[/snapback] We can't be certain but I confident of it because De Vries needs to adapt more and improve his fitness while Connolly needs a fresh start.
TAFKA Castroneves Posted 9 April 2005 Posted 9 April 2005 I'd like to think Connolly next year will be able to put this season's disaster behind him. He is capable of doing well and scoring goals, I just think he's done similar to what Walker done last year in the Prem - he's had a major blip and he hasn't been able to recover from it properly. Although I don't see him as a starting striker for us. De Vries on the other hand I would love to see do well, but I think it's just not going to happen. I don't believe he is cut out for English Football - although he really should be in all honesty. He's not fit enough, he's not agile enough, he's just basically not good enough. Unless he puts a lot of work in during the pre-season he is not going to be any better next year. We need to look for two new goalscorers for next year, keep Connolly to be a sub - and see if he can prove himself from that position as being worthwhile to keep beyond say Jan '06. Meanwhile De Vries really has to go, although it's not going to happen. Personally i don't know that much really to know who to bring in, although I'm hoping Sturm could be one half of the new goalscorers link.
alex Posted 9 April 2005 Posted 9 April 2005 At the end of the day, Connolly was a prolific goalscorer before we signed him at more than a few clubs, as was De Vries - somehow The players you mention have scored goals this season, but the same can be said for our current strikers last season.De Vries ain't going anywhere, one of Levein's favourites i imagine. Terrifies me thinking about the next 3 years of that up front! 90562[/snapback] Today was 4 in 5 for him too I think, penalty or otherwise, that's good form. Connolly's class IMO and now we are starting to play football again, he's scoring goals. Hughes and Williams are extremely important to Connolly scoring goals I reckon, if they feed him, he will score.
Scow Posted 10 April 2005 Posted 10 April 2005 if we did this then we could bring in a Boyd or Riordan (a goalscorer!). I really think that if you want to get promoted what you need is a goalscorer and we don't have one! So I plead to you Craig please buy Boyd, I have heard he is a quality striker and is a target man as well as a finisher and a dribbler, he is not the quickest, but he has more pace than any of our strikers. So, with hopefully Boyd filling one slot maybe someone from Sweden or whatever. I really think that a striker and a captain would be the last piece in the jigsaw puzzle for now. This is what amuses me. You're suggesting players you've never seen play before.
Mad Dog Posted 10 April 2005 Posted 10 April 2005 A bit like when people on here wank over Dawson or Wesolowski even though they've only seen them about twice, playing at youth or reserve team level, and think that they should be put into the first team ahead of established pro's, and that the coaches are idiots for not doing so - even though they see them training and playing every single day. You genuinely think that 18 year old strikers who've scored goals in league two this season will be better than David Connolly - embarrasing really.
Scow Posted 10 April 2005 Posted 10 April 2005 A bit like when people on here wank over Dawson or Wesolowski even though they've only seen them about twice, playing at youth or reserve team level, and think that they should be put into the first team ahead of established pro's, and that the coaches are idiots for not doing so - even though they see them training and playing every single day.You genuinely think that 18 year old strikers who've scored goals in league two this season will be better than David Connolly - embarrasing really. 91081[/snapback] The difference is, at least I and a few others have actually seen these players in action. And it's been much more than twice, Mad Dog. Also, I have never suggested that any of the youth strikers should replace Connolly, and you would be hard pushed to find anyone on this board who has suggested that. Dawson is certainly ready for the first team, I'm sure he'll get his opportunity once we're safe. As for Wesolowski, he has a fair bit to go before being involved.
dynamite foxes Posted 10 April 2005 Author Posted 10 April 2005 if we did this then we could bring in a Boyd or Riordan (a goalscorer!). I really think that if you want to get promoted what you need is a goalscorer and we don't have one! So I plead to you Craig please buy Boyd, I have heard he is a quality striker and is a target man as well as a finisher and a dribbler, he is not the quickest, but he has more pace than any of our strikers. So, with hopefully Boyd filling one slot maybe someone from Sweden or whatever. I really think that a striker and a captain would be the last piece in the jigsaw puzzle for now. This is what amuses me. You're suggesting players you've never seen play before. 91073[/snapback] It amuses you! well I heard this from a killie fan, who also thought that Canero was awful. So there you go Scowy
Scow Posted 10 April 2005 Posted 10 April 2005 if we did this then we could bring in a Boyd or Riordan (a goalscorer!). I really think that if you want to get promoted what you need is a goalscorer and we don't have one! So I plead to you Craig please buy Boyd, I have heard he is a quality striker and is a target man as well as a finisher and a dribbler, he is not the quickest, but he has more pace than any of our strikers. So, with hopefully Boyd filling one slot maybe someone from Sweden or whatever. I really think that a striker and a captain would be the last piece in the jigsaw puzzle for now. This is what amuses me. You're suggesting players you've never seen play before. 91073[/snapback] It amuses you! well I heard this from a killie fan, who also thought that Canero was awful. So there you go Scowy 91146[/snapback] The point is though, you haven't seen this for yourself, and you're relying from the viewpoint of one fan. Oh dear.
stez Posted 10 April 2005 Posted 10 April 2005 Right I know some of you think that Connolly is good (and I know none of you think De vries is good). I think that he is an average (Championship) player, but we are building for the future and if we get players in now who can play at the highest level in future (i.e. Maybury, Hughes, McCarthy) then we will find it easier to survive in the Prem. So, we could get money for de Vries (highly rated in Scotland) and Connolly ( a known goalscorer) if we did this then we could bring in a Boyd or Riordan (a goalscorer!). I really think that if you want to get promoted what you need is a goalscorer and we don't have one! So I plead to you Craig please buy Boyd, I have heard he is a quality striker and is a target man as well as a finisher and a dribbler, he is not the quickest, but he has more pace than any of our strikers. So, with hopefully Boyd filling one slot maybe someone from Sweden or whatever. I really think that a striker and a captain would be the last piece in the jigsaw puzzle for now. De Vries is awfyl! Longest post I have ever posted, please read and criticise or praise it. I wish Chambo could play instead of De Vries, but he isn't exactly a target man, I heard he is a bout 5ft but bloody quick 90558[/snapback] i think the cob-meister would disagree with that statement i'm willing to cut both of them some slack until well into next season before i start saying one or other should bugger off. also with this new lad coming in there should be some real competition up front to jolt them out of any comfort zone they might be in. as for the kids, i can't comment as i've not seen any of them play, only heard how good they are
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