marbelladave Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 We definitely need to evolve, our 4-4-2 has been shut down by the opposition getting at our wingers. Tight marking, a defender in support, has pretty much closed down Dyer and Gradel / Adams. With the threat from the flanks nullified, our lack of pace and creativity in the center is shown up badly. We are suddenly not creating much at all and the players know this, hence they are hurried and over anxious when the chances do occur. Time for a change!
Joe. Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 I do like the wing back idea actually. I'd go for something like this: Henderson Tunchev---KisnorboGilbert-----------------MattockOakleyAdams----KingGradel---------------DyerHowardScrap my previous team, it's time for a change. This side shouldn't have any trouble posing an attacking threat. We'd still have the width with Gilbert/Gradel and Mattock/Dyer, but at the same time Gradel and Dyer could act as support forwards for Howard up front. With Oakley as a holding midfielder, King and Adams would be allowed to get forward as much as possible between them and further support the attack. If necessary the wing backs could just act as standard defenders also.
Uncle Albert Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 Martin Gilbert Tunchev Kisnorbo MattockGradel Oakley King Dyer Howard Fryatt Thats the team I can see playing if Gilbert and Howard are fit. Hobbs and Hayles to come in. What injury did Howard pick up.
SamL Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 I do like the wing back idea actually. I'd go for something like this: Henderson Tunchev---KisnorboGilbert-----------------MattockOakleyAdams----KingGradel---------------DyerHowardScrap my previous team, it's time for a change. This side shouldn't have any trouble posing an attacking threat. We'd still have the width with Gilbert/Gradel and Mattock/Dyer, but at the same time Gradel and Dyer could act as support forwards for Howard up front. With Oakley as a holding midfielder, King and Adams would be allowed to get forward as much as possible between them and further support the attack. If necessary the wing backs could just act as standard defenders also. I'm liking that. After the last 3 games, I think it's time for a change and with our current options, I think that's one of the better line ups we could come up with.
Thracian Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 Some interesting and quite promising ideas explored here. General consensus seems to be that we need to change our approach and i just hope that the manager understand that as well. There is no way our drop in form is down to bad luck or even simply bad finishing. We've been sussed and if we don't change then others will start taking points off us and perhaps even winning games as Northampton so nearly did in the last minute.
dandannieldanok Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 I do like the wing back idea actually. I don't particularly. I know we had different players under Megson, but the formation he used with wing-backs produced some really turgid football. It's risky because if the players aren't quite up to scratch, then it can go tits-up either in an attacking or defending sense, or even both. 4-4-2 is predictable and most definitely a safe option, but I still personally regard it as our best option. The team is slipping badly out-of-form and something needs to change but not the formation for me.
Joe. Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 I don't particularly. I know we had different players under Megson, but the formation he used with wing-backs produced some really turgid football. It's risky because if the players aren't quite up to scratch, then it can go tits-up either in an attacking or defending sense, or even both. 4-4-2 is predictable and most definitely a safe option, but I still personally regard it as our best option. The team is slipping badly out-of-form ans something needs to change but not the formation for me. The difference is, that with Megson we had much poorer players in that position in a tougher league. With both Gilbert/Gradel and Mattock/Dyer we'd have more than enough width, and that was the main problem under Megson.
Messi Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 Henderson Gilbert Tunchev Morrison MattockGradel King Oakley© DyerFryatt Howard
Munzie Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 I don't particularly. I know we had different players under Megson, but the formation he used with wing-backs produced some really turgid football. It's risky because if the players aren't quite up to scratch, then it can go tits-up either in an attacking or defending sense, or even both. 4-4-2 is predictable and most definitely a safe option, but I still personally regard it as our best option. The team is slipping badly out-of-form and something needs to change but not the formation for me. You're right in the sense that this shouldn't be adopted at the drop of a hat, just because we've been sussed or become predictable. It will take time for the team to adjust. I can't believe that any team in the league just has a 4-4-2 formation in their armoury however. I do think we have the personnel to adjust. Mattock is more than capable of fulfilling the wingback role and from what I've seen of Gilbert, he too would have no problem with his fitness and pace. With support in midfield with the likes of Porter, Gradel, Adams and King we shouldn't get caught short if opposing teams counter attack. This coupled with a defensive, holding, central midfielder should work. Howard needs more than just Fryatt partnering him upfront. If we persist with using him as a target man, it makes sense to have more than one outlet for him to find. I would suggest that any manager worth his salt will be trying diffeent formations within the safe confines of the training ground. As plan 'A' has been sussed Mr Pearson, please reveal plan 'B'. If we are going to experiment, let's do it sooner rather than later whilst we still have games. Up and coming cup competitions provide a perfect platform to try these out for real. A version of 4-3-3 lends itself to a more attacking option. We can always adopt a more conventional style when leading a match.
Mansfield Fox Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 Gk - MARTIN RB - BERNER ( GILBERT IF FIT ) CB - TUNCHEV CB - HOBBS LB - MATTOCK RW - GRADEL CM - OAKLEY LW - DYER SS- ADAMS CF - HOWARD SUBS - FRYATT,HENDERSON,KING,POWELL,MORRISON
Salieri Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 Just read through all the ideas on formations/personnel and it makes for a very interesting read. Some good ideas and a general concencus that something has to be done to freshen things up a bit. I like the idea of Dyer and Gradel being given more freedom to roam with support down the flanks from Mattock and (hopefully) Gilbert. This, coupled with an attacking midfielder to link up with the striker makes for a team full of attacking options rather tha the predictable 442 line up. Henderson Gilbert Tunchev Kisnorbo MattockOakley King AdamsGradel Howard Dyer Something like that or possibly Porter for Adams and or Fryatt for Howard. The sad thing is, as much as i like NP and still have faith in him, ive got a feeling its gonna be more of the same tomorrow night with regards to formation and personnel, if so, i'll let him off if we get the points! Having said that, itd be nice to see that he is flexible tactically.......
lookwhaticando Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 Douglas Stearman -- McCarthy © -- Kisnorbo -- JohanssonSylla -- Gudjonsson -- Wesolowski -- Hughes Fryatt -- Hume Subs: Henderson P, Hammond E, Smith, O'Grady, Gerrbrand. Get 'er done.
Koke Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 As others have said, we have become a bit too predictable lately so we need a new approach. Apart from Nicky Adams, we don't really have any other personnel that Pearson can tinker with. I'd like to see Levi Porter get involved in some capacity, whether it be from the bench or as a starter. I agree with Ric, it'd be good to see if Gradel and Dyer was moved to an advanced and more a 'free' role ala Agbonlahor and Young at Villa. If that happens though, our 3 CM's needs to be very disciplined, and I'm not too sure about King's and Oakley's keeping their discipline and protecting out defence enough, and on top of that I don't quite think either of them (nor Adams for that matter) has the engine for that. It's times like these where Weso could be a very useful option. Loads of options, and we certainly need that. We tend to run out of ideas lately.
Jimmy Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 Gk - MARTINRB - BERNER ( GILBERT IF FIT ) CB - TUNCHEV CB - HOBBS LB - MATTOCK RW - GRADEL CM - OAKLEY LW - DYER SS- ADAMS CF - HOWARD SUBS - FRYATT,HENDERSON,KING,POWELL,MORRISON only 10 players
stevie909 Posted 27 October 2008 Posted 27 October 2008 -----------------Martin---------------------- Berner----Tunchev----Kisnorbo----Powell Gradel------Oakley------Adams------Dyer -------------Fryatt--------------------------- ----------------------Mckay----------------- Subs: King, Hobbs, Mattock, Howard, Henderson Im assuming gilbert isnt fit, and if powell isnt aswell then id have mattock at LB.
Raj Posted 28 October 2008 Posted 28 October 2008 BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG UP To all the Leicester massive going to this one!! Nuff respect! BIG UP!!! Whoop Whoop!!! (Yes i has turned into a gangst!)
Tommeh Posted 28 October 2008 Posted 28 October 2008 the way I see it people say Howard or fryatt need to be dropped but the only way I see this happening would be going 4-5-1, which would get even more people moaning. Sometimes I think NP can't win. The only change I'd make is Powell for mattock if fit, and also hendo for martin but let's face it the latter won't happen.
Uncle Albert Posted 28 October 2008 Posted 28 October 2008 the way I see it people say Howard or fryatt need to be dropped but the only way I see this happening would be going 4-5-1, which would get even more people moaning.Sometimes I think NP can't win. The only change I'd make is Powell for mattock if fit, and also hendo for martin but let's face it the latter won't happen. Neither would be better.
Sods Posted 28 October 2008 Posted 28 October 2008 Hayles and Howard to Start up front. The H attack.
Raj Posted 28 October 2008 Posted 28 October 2008 Forgot about The Sav playing for Brighton!!! You fcukers best not BOO him!!!
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