leeds united 1-1 leicester city post match

[Sods]

So should of won, but hey were still top.

Didn't like the bully tactics from the stewards, Didn't like the twat behind me telling me to sit as well. Get a freeking ticket near the front.

Oh, Steve Howard was Ace and Davies is my hero. When we scored I went crazy, being seat number 1 I was right next to the leeds fans. A copper pulled me back. Im drunk.

[Bert]

I thought bringing on Dickov was a good decision, we needed someone to work the back four because Fryatt was knackered and Howard was winning most in the air so it made sense to keep him on.

However Dickov looked seriously unfit so the sub went a bit tits up really.

Thought Davies was absolutely brilliant, great pace and always snapping away at Leeds players. Never afraid to run into space when he hasn't got a pass on either.

I thought a point was a fair result, Leeds saw a lot of the ball second half and we failed to keep it.

I hope we get to sign this lad permanantly. One big thing i noticed today was, Leeds were on a dangerously looking counter attack with Delph, (who can make things happen in a flash) Davies knew this, and sacrificed what he knew would be a booking for the team, to help us get our shape back and slow the game down.

Oh and btw, I know it was sickening at the time and it pissed me off no end, but how loud was that roar when they scored. Not a Chelsea Dagger in sight.

Phenomenal it was.

Onto the game....

They started off bright and finished off bright, we got a proper hold on the game and looked dangerous for most of the first half and were good value for our lead. In the second half we could've pushed on more and probably scored, especially against an unconvincing back five. As the game wore on Leeds got more dangerous and the inevitable happened. We were probably the better team, as Leeds ended up having to keep going long but a draw is just about a fair result.

Edit. How the **** has Mark Halsey ever reffed in the prem?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Edit. How the **** has Mark Halsey ever reffed in the prem?

I don't get this - what did I miss? Other than him taking out a leeds player, I didn't see him do much wrong. He was pretty inconspicuous, which in my book means he had a decent game. The only chant towards Mr Halsey was regarding the afore mentioned incident.

I can imagine if it was a standard league 1 ref, we may have got someone who would have tried to make a name for himself.

[Sods]

Mark Hasley was shite, Howard got mudered. Davies got clattered, didn't know when to play advantage or not. 1 yellow card for Leeds. Constantly taking out Fryatt. And if it wasn't Fryatt it was Dyer. ****.

[Bert]

I don't get this - what did I miss? Other than him taking out a leeds player, I didn't see him do much wrong. He was pretty inconspicuous, which in my book means he had a decent game. The only chant towards Mr Halsey was regarding the afore mentioned incident.

I can imagine if it was a standard league 1 ref, we may have got someone who would have tried to make a name for himself.

Why didn't their big defender who completely wiped out Mark Davies get booked?

Our players seemed to think their was a handball in the box, why wasn't it given? The ball was travelling goal bound.

Only when we were in the last 3rd of the Leeds half did he decide to blow up because their player was injured, now i can't be sure whether it was a head injury or not, but if it wasn't, why did he blow up? Because he got in the way when Leeds had the ball, which lead to us having a dangerous looking opportunity. Add these to the other 10 poor decisions he made today.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Mark Hasley was shite, Howard got mudered. Davies got clattered, didn't know when to play advantage or not. 1 yellow card for Leeds. Constantly taking out Fryatt. And if it wasn't Fryatt it was Dyer. ****.

If that is all, then that is standard rose tinted stuff, and I'm happy in thinking he was alright. The game flowed, of the decision's you mention above, they were six of one, half a dozen of another, and had he given those, there would have been a lot more free kicks in the game.

The game wasn't that dirty, so I'm not suprised Leeds only picked up 1 yellow card.

I was thinking I was missing an obvious penalty shout or something? (not that there was one)

[Bert]

If that is all, then that is standard rose tinted stuff, and I'm happy in thinking he was alright. The game flowed, of the decision's you mention above, they were six of one, half a dozen of another, and had he given those, there would have been a lot more free kicks in the game.

The game wasn't that dirty, so I'm not suprised Leeds only picked up 1 yellow card.

I was thinking I was missing an obvious penalty shout or something? (not that there was one)

When you have someone whose reffed in the prem, you expect better than that.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

When you have someone whose reffed in the prem, you expect better than that.

But I don't understand what more you expect. The guy let the game have a little bit of a physical contest to it, which was for the good of the game. Yes there may have been a couple of things you may not agreed with, but they weren't things that really changed the game.

Someone mentioned an appeal for handball - well we weren't calling the ref a willy puller about it and the players weren't running up to the ref asking why he hadn't given a pen - so it can't have been that good a shout.

The incident with Halsey taking the Leeds guy out, with the ball then falling for a leicester attack - well he brought it back, but so what, it was in my mind the correct and fair decision - although he could have booked or sent himself off, as it did appear to be a vicious elbow.

I'm sure for the '10' bad decisions you felt he made (and i think you'd be struggling without watching the game back on tape) a Leeds fan could argue those 10 were correct, and vica versa.

[Bert]

But I don't understand what more you expect. The guy let the game have a little bit of a physical contest to it, which was for the good of the game. Yes there may have been a couple of things you may not agreed with, but they weren't things that really changed the game.

Someone mentioned an appeal for handball - well we weren't calling the ref a willy puller about it and the players weren't running up to the ref asking why he hadn't given a pen - so it can't have been that good a shout.

The incident with Halsey taking the Leeds guy out, with the ball then falling for a leicester attack - well he brought it back, but so what, it was in my mind the correct and fair decision - although he could have booked or sent himself off, as it did appear to be a vicious elbow.

I'm sure for the '10' bad decisions you felt he made (and i think you'd be struggling without watching the game back on tape) a Leeds fan could argue those 10 were correct, and vica versa.

If you read you'll clearly see that I expect a better performance. There's a two page thread on him, with a number of people saying he was shit. Demotion from the Premier League to league One (not even demotion to The Championship) would also suggest he's not great, but surely having reffed in the prem, he should book a player for a late challenge that completely wipes out a player?

Actually, **** it you're right, he was top class, let's hope he gets submitted to be our FIFA representative.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

If you read you'll clearly see that I expect a better performance. There's a two page thread on him, with a number of people saying he was shit. Demotion from the Premier League to league One (not even demotion to The Championship) would also suggest he's not great, but surely having reffed in the prem, he should book a player for a late challenge that completely wipes out a player?

Actually, **** it you're right, he was top class, let's hope he gets submitted to be our FIFA representative.

I haven't been to one game when I haven't heard someone say the ref was shit - it seems an almost standard response. But considering I've seen some truley laughable performances from officials both referring leicester and other games, this one ranks no-where near.

There wasn't a 'Erland Johnson' penalty incident

There wasn't a third yellow produced to the same player

There wasn't even a clear cut penalty not given, or a disallowed goal for some unknown bizare reason.

A potential booking - big deal, so he kept his cards in his pocket on that occasion. The game didn't get out of control, which could suggest he was correct in his decision.

And when you consider, contained within the Hasley thread, one of the highlighted points for him being 'shit' was Davis booking, which was a classic booking in most peoples books, I just wondered why he was getting so much stick.

Personally, I think it's because he is a known name, as if it was johnny no name, who had made exactly the same decsions I wouldn't have thought there would have been a thread made.

The ref neither givus nor takus anything away from us, therefore I thought he was acceptable, and I can't imagine either manager bringing him up in their after game press conferences.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Oh - and he is FIFA listed and I found an interesting stat:

Season Games Yellow Card Total per game Red Cards Total per game

1997/98 42 161 3.83 5 0.11

1998/99 46 111 2.41 2 0.04

1999/00 38 96 2.52 8 0.21

2000/01 33 101 3.06 10 0.30

2001/02 37 118 3.18 7 0.18

2002/03 34 75 2.20 6 0.17

2003/04 41 81 1.97 5 0.12

2004/05 32 60 1.87 2 0.06

2005/06 38 54 1.42 6 0.15

2006/07 42 103 2.45 9 0.21

2007/08 41 86 2.09 5 0.12

Looking at the stats, he has what surely is a fairly low yellow and red card average. Mark Halsey

[Bert]

I haven't been to one game when I haven't heard someone say the ref was shit - it seems an almost standard response. But considering I've seen some truley laughable performances from officials both referring leicester and other games, this one ranks no-where near.

There wasn't a 'Erland Johnson' penalty incident

There wasn't a third yellow produced to the same player

There wasn't even a clear cut penalty not given, or a disallowed goal for some unknown bizare reason.

A potential booking - big deal, so he kept his cards in his pocket on that occasion. The game didn't get out of control, which could suggest he was correct in his decision.

And when you consider, contained within the Hasley thread, one of the highlighted points for him being 'shit' was Davis booking, which was a classic booking in most peoples books, I just wondered why he was getting so much stick.

Personally, I think it's because he is a known name, as if it was johnny no name, who had made exactly the same decsions I wouldn't have thought there would have been a thread made.

The ref neither givus nor takus anything away from us, therefore I thought he was acceptable, and I can't imagine either manager bringing him up in their after game press conferences.

Good job I'm not the manager then.

Also, you will see around the forum that I've said that Davies booking was fully deserved, the reason the fans were annoyed, was because a few minutes earlier, Davies got cleaned up, with a late tackle and nothing was given except a talking too.

To your point about him being a known name, that's why people are annoyed, because we know he's reffed in the prem and should be able to officiate games better than that today.

I take it you didn't see some of the times that Pearson was getting absolutely frustrated on the touchline either.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Good job I'm not the manager then.

Also, you will see around the forum that I've said that Davies booking was fully deserved, the reason the fans were annoyed, was because a few minutes earlier, Davies got cleaned up, with a late tackle and nothing was given except a talking too.

To your point about him being a known name, that's why people are annoyed, because we know he's reffed in the prem and should be able to officiate games better than that today.

I take it you didn't see some of the times that Pearson was getting absolutely frustrated on the touchline either.

With regards to the tackle on Davis, well ok, it wasn't well timed, but at that point he hadn't given any bookings, the game hadn't been dirty, and the lad hadn't made several fouls throughout the game, so he may have been lucky to get away with a booking, but fair enough. The referee used his man management skills, and they seemed to work, the game didn't boil over into a farce, which under bad refereeing it could have done.

The home fans were pretty quiet throughout - had he had made more controversial decisions in our favour, it could have back fired, stiring the crowd, and making Leeds play better as a result.

I sure Perason had his moments when he didn't agree with a decision, as would have Grayson, but again, they'd be seeing it from a slightly unbalanced view. If however you appreciate that some decisions won't go your way, and a ref's main job is to ensure the game is played in a fair but competive spirit, as well as applying the laws of the game I think he did a reasonable job.

I note that Howard only got pulled up once at the end, for what was over eager jostling - the rest of the game he let it go. Same with Tunchev and Hobbs on the Leeds strikers. One he did give against Hobbs, he blantely pushed the guy in the back.

I'm off to bed, but if you can be bothered, I'd like a detailed list of why he was shit from anyone who thought so to justify the criticism. I'm not his mum by the way, but it just annoys me that people always think the ref is shit, sometimes without much justification.

[Thracian]

Unlike you to moan about a game you weren't at Thrach.

When you reply as no doubt you will perhaps you could comment on whether yesterday's sprouts that I had for dinner were cooked properly. I know you weren't there either but that doesn't stop you knowing best does it?

Damn glad I wasn't at the game from the sounds of it. Better team to start with, nice goal and then what?

I suppose you're going to tell me that we didn't try to sit on our lead but drove forward in numbers searching for a second and that the commentator just neglected to mention all the shots we had.

PS: As for the sprouts I'm sure you or your good lady would have cooked them as you like 'em. Bit pointless in having em otherwise.

[Vardinhio]

stop moasning everyone. It's christmas and all you can do is moajn/1

Who cares, we are top and we are sound. wooooooooooooooo

[Thracian]

stop moasning everyone. It's christmas and all you can do is moajn/1

Who cares, we are top and we are sound. wooooooooooooooo

You're right. I'm going back to Christmas...

[Candidcamera]

This was a very good game. I was surprised at the standard of football especially from City in the first half. The back 4 are solid with Tunchev outstanding. The middle of the park is so improved on last season. All played excellently but Davies was doing what Dyer should have done in the second half running at them and drawing fouls. Great performance. Howard played well and I'm not a fan of his. Fryatt is effective at his side.

How can we improve ? New goalkeeper and Mattock at LB. The substitution was bad left the ball to go straight back to them. Dickov not the player he was.

Really enjoyed the game and City need to keep this standard going. Well done.

[AoWW]

I think the stewarding could safely be described as over-zealous.

Edit: Just realised I was sat near Syston fox but didn't recognise him! Doh!

[Hullfox]

Were you in the corner bit of the stand today about five rows back? Someone was up and dancing at the Leeds fans and I couldn't tell if it was you or not from where I was sitting!

Not guilty! I was not sat in the big cheesy looking bit. I was with Grandpa Hullfox in the South Stand. He now reckons I'm a foul mouthed coont for some reason.

Damn glad I wasn't at the game.

Me too.

[maddog]

its a point its good.

I think weve gained more points than weve lost in the last few minutes this season.

We gained 3 in the Bristol Rovers game, 2 in the Huddersfield game thats 5 points gained. And we scored 2 late goals in Leyton Orient away thats another 2 gained so that makes 7.

Lost 2 at Leeds, lost 2 at Swindon, lost 3 at Brighton. Also makes 7. And also the Fulham cup game but that weren't in the league.

Weve been behind against Walsall and drew, behind against Carlisle and won.

Its all pretty even, if not in our favour on the points won and lost in the last few minutes and points generally lost or won.

[Ultra]

I'm off to bed, but if you can be bothered, I'd like a detailed list of why he was shit from anyone who thought so to justify the criticism. I'm not his mum by the way, but it just annoys me that people always think the ref is shit, sometimes without much justification.

You may not be Mark Halsey's mum, but you give a frighteningly good impression of Ken Bates.

Only someone as one-eyed and biased as he could have defended Halsey for his performance yesterday.

Apart from denying Howard a clear penalty early on, Halsey credited Martin with a save he didn't make, ignored several crude off-the-ball challenges from the home side (nice to see Grayson already maintaining the old Leeds traditions ), and showed no consistency at all.

Within seconds of Davies being booked, Michalik floored Howard when he was bearing down on goal. Did he pick up the yellow he deserved? Did he fcuk.

I can't remember him giving even ONE marginal decision in our favour.

The majority of posters on here don't always get things right.

But on this issue, they're absolutely spot on.

[Ultra]

By the way, did anyone else spot Frankie Wortho outside the ground before the game?

[Halfsy]

****ing hell.

Anything else you lot want to moan about?

We're top of the league at the half way point, and we have just taken a hard-earned point from Elland Road, albeit conceeding a late equaliser.

Thracian, how can you comment on the game if you weren't there?

And that goes for others who weren't at the game too.

We were much the better side in the first half, but Becchio should have put the 1-0 up, and then it would have been a different game.

Full credit to Leeds for rallying late on, but i have to disagree your support at Elland Road is fantastic.

As we stated, it was just like a library for 85 minutes.

No-one can stop us winning this league, we arethe most talented side by a long way.

Nigel Pearson's lue and White Army!

[DJ Barry Hammond]

You may not be Mark Halsey's mum, but you give a frighteningly good impression of Ken Bates.

Only someone as one-eyed and biased as he could have defended Halsey for his performance yesterday.

Apart from denying Howard a clear penalty early on, Halsey credited Martin with a save he didn't make, ignored several crude off-the-ball challenges from the home side (nice to see Grayson already maintaining the old Leeds traditions ), and showed no consistency at all.

Within seconds of Davies being booked, Michalik floored Howard when he was bearing down on goal. Did he pick up the yellow he deserved? Did he fcuk.

I can't remember him giving even ONE marginal decision in our favour.

The majority of posters on here don't always get things right.

But on this issue, they're absolutely spot on.

Clear penalty? Weren't we at the opposite end from that decision in the first half?

See the thing you're looking at with his performance is how much he did or didn't give us. Well fine, a few decisions may not have gone our way, but that doesn't mean a ref is shit.

Every week decisions won't go our way, but in general he wasn't the main focal point of the game he was pretty inconspicuous, and the game was allowed to flow with a physical battle being acceptable up to a point. Personally I couldn't disagree with most of his decisions, and the one's i did they were marginal, or made by his assistants for him.

The only chant aimed to the referee yesterday was after the quite funny elbow incident.

[Bert]

Nige seems to think we should've had two penalties too.