leeds united 1-1 leicester city post match

[Thracian]

its a point its good.

I think weve gained more points than weve lost in the last few minutes this season.

We gained 3 in the Bristol Rovers game, 2 in the Huddersfield game thats 5 points gained. And we scored 2 late goals in Leyton Orient away thats another 2 gained so that makes 7.

Lost 2 at Leeds, lost 2 at Swindon, lost 3 at Brighton. Also makes 7. And also the Fulham cup game but that weren't in the league.

Weve been behind against Walsall and drew, behind against Carlisle and won.

Its all pretty even, if not in our favour on the points won and lost in the last few minutes and points generally lost or won.

Which, of course, simply goes to show that we're perfectly capable of scoring goals if we commit to the task instead of putting the brakes on.

[mmarkie]

Clear penalty? Weren't we at the opposite end from that decision in the first half?

See the thing you're looking at with his performance is how much he did or didn't give us. Well fine, a few decisions may not have gone our way, but that doesn't mean a ref is shit.

Every week decisions won't go our way, but in general he wasn't the main focal point of the game he was pretty inconspicuous, and the game was allowed to flow with a physical battle being acceptable up to a point. Personally I couldn't disagree with most of his decisions, and the one's i did they were marginal, or made by his assistants for him.

The only chant aimed to the referee yesterday was after the quite funny elbow incident.

It was a clear penalty though!

[Simi]

I'm bloody sick of people telling other people they can't moan.

The forum is to talk about the match and how they saw it, if they think the referee had a stinker, let them say it. If they think we invited pressure in the second half, let them say it.

I'm sure Pearson didn't go in and say "Nevermind about the last minute equaliser, we're top at Christmas".

Still a long way to go this season and no doubt we'll have some more bad days, but just because we're top doesn't mean we can't discuss how things are going. Positivley or negativley.

[davieG]

Pearson Out!!!! I say.

[Simi]

Pearson Out!!!! I say.

Stop ****ing moaning.

[davieG]

Stop ****ing moaning.

you started it!

[Anish]

****ing hell.

Anything else you lot want to moan about?

We're top of the league at the half way point, and we have just taken a hard-earned point from Elland Road, albeit conceeding a late equaliser.

Thracian, how can you comment on the game if you weren't there?

And that goes for others who weren't at the game too.

We were much the better side in the first half, but Becchio should have put the 1-0 up, and then it would have been a different game.

Full credit to Leeds for rallying late on, but i have to disagree your support at Elland Road is fantastic.

As we stated, it was just like a library for 85 minutes.

No-one can stop us winning this league, we arethe most talented side by a long way.

Nigel Pearson's lue and White Army!

You've hit the nail on its head. My campaign to gag him from posting on matches he hasn't seen doesn't seem to hold much support though.

[Simi]

You've hit the nail on its head. My campaign to gag him from posting on matches he hasn't seen doesn't seem to hold much support though.

I agree, but if I know he's not been to the game I just tend to ignore it.

[syston_fox]

Not guilty! I was not sat in the big cheesy looking bit. I was with Grandpa Hullfox in the South Stand. He now reckons I'm a foul mouthed coont for some reason.

In that case I think you should start dancing at every available opportunity! Grandpa Hullfox too!

[Thracian]

You've hit the nail on its head. My campaign to gag him from posting on matches he hasn't seen doesn't seem to hold much support though.

Nothing like getting a good old gang behind you is there...?

Sounds almost like the old days.

Campaign? I do feel flattered!

[jayyd08]

that game reminded me of last seasons city where if we scored first we would go to sleep and conced a late goal or just lose the game, but i would of took a draw at the start of the game and happy with a draw now .

[Lillehamring]

I agree, but if I know he's not been to the game I just tend to ignore it.

exactly. people moaning about thrac putting in his inevitable two bits is extremely tedious, we all know he does it, and if you don't want to read his posts, don't read em... but lets face it, it's a dull board if thrac is quiet...

oh, and to be fair to the bloke, all he's said was that we sat back on a lead, which is exactly what people at the game said, so is there even actually a problem, i know hullfox can't resist it and does so in a funny way, so lets just leave them to it...

god jul!

[carterfox90]

would have took a point before the start of december but i was there & it feels like a defeat but like people have said last year we would have lost that game so onto hereford a must win as the dons are still close on our tails :cool:

[Thracian]

I agree, but if I know he's not been to the game I just tend to ignore it.

I always let people know if I've not been to the game so they well know that my views are coming from the radio commentary.

But for all the "campaigning" and snide remarks, I've still to read convincing contradictions about what I've said....

That:

a) Gilbert didn't get forward.

b) That we didn't seriously commit to getting a second goal.

c) That we hoofed the ball far too much from defence.

d) That the Dickov substitution served no real purpose.

e) That we never attempted to exploit Sheehan's problems on the turn or when people run at him.

f) That we donated two points through our lack of commitment to winning the game as opposed to clinging on to it.

While Anish concentrates on campaigning to silence my views I have campaigned long and hard for a more attacking Leicester City for years and, to some extent, the new regime is only highlighting how badly we have needed that change.

But we just can't quite shed the final shackles. The old caution and fear persists. But Pearson is in good company cos the fans clearly feel the same...that a point will do. Cos it's Leeds.

I don't suppose Pearson's approach will backfire dramatically in this division cos, counting goal difference, we're effectively six points clear of the play-offs zone and apart from MK Dons there doesn't seem to be another team with the attacking commitment or nous to challenge us. In fact Division One is worse than I ever imagined.

But it will backfire in due course. You won't get away with trying to hang on to 1-0's against better teams in the Championship and beyond, at least not enough to win titles.

Eventually we will learn that the best form of defence is to keep asking serious questions of the opposition.

[Simi]

I always let people know if I've not been to the game so they well know that my views are coming from the radio commentary.

But for all the "campaigning" and snide remarks, I've still to read convincing contradictions about what I've said....

That:

a) Gilbert didn't get forward.

b) That we didn't seriously commit to getting a second goal.

c) That we hoofed the ball far too much from defence.

d) That the Dickov substitution served no real purpose.

e) That we never attempted to exploit Sheehan's problems on the turn or when people run at him.

f) That we donated two points through our lack of commitment to winning the game as opposed to clinging on to it.

I will answer your thoughts, but I reckon sometimes people get pissed off at the way you post. Sometimes it reads like fact when really it is secondary information based on an opinion who many seem to deem useless.

a) Gilbert wasn't forward that much, perhaps due to the threat posed by Leeds on the counter attack, which was apparent at points during the game.

b) True, but this was only throughout the last twenty minutes, we had a period of pressure before that. However the Leeds support did help to change the flow of play.

c) Hobbs was passing the ball out of the back more so than usual, as was Tunchev. Berner was gulity at times however. We didn't really start hoofing it until the last 10 when we were under a lot of pressure.

d) Wrong. Fryatt was tired and we needed someone to work the Leeds backline and stop them having so much time, it was the right decision, although Dickov failed in doing his job.

e) Oakley scored with Sheehan close by and we had a couple of positive crosses from the right wing.

f) Commitment was there without doubt, but we did invite pressure onto us. The Leeds fans made it hard for us as well, but to question the commitment is wrong.

[Thracian]

I will answer your thoughts, but I reckon sometimes people get pissed off at the way you post. Sometimes it reads like fact when really it is secondary information based on an opinion who many seem to deem useless.

a) Gilbert wasn't forward that much, perhaps due to the threat posed by Leeds on the counter attack, which was apparent at points during the game.

b) True, but this was only throughout the last twenty minutes, we had a period of pressure before that. However the Leeds support did help to change the flow of play.

c) Hobbs was passing the ball out of the back more so than usual, as was Tunchev. Berner was gulity at times however. We didn't really start hoofing it until the last 10 when we were under a lot of pressure.

d) Wrong. Fryatt was tired and we needed someone to work the Leeds backline and stop them having so much time, it was the right decision, although Dickov failed in doing his job.

e) Oakley scored with Sheehan close by and we had a couple of positive crosses from the right wing.

f) Commitment was there without doubt, but we did invite pressure onto us. The Leeds fans made it hard for us as well, but to question the commitment is wrong.

I didn't question the players commitment in any way or by implication - I only questioned their commitment to winning the game rather than not losing it which is somewhat different.

Otherwise thanks for your answers. I always have great respect for your views and not just because much of what you say only confirms the impressions I got.

I didn't object to Fryatt being taken off but would simply have had up-and-coming Gradel available to take over rather than Dickov and allowed Oakley to move into the centre with a high-pressing 4-5-1 that would have been able to stiffle Leeds attacks at source and to have broken forward at maximum speed on the counter-attack.

Instead it seems that Gradel is going the same way as Porter.

I've written many times that Pearson/Mandaric would increasingly turn to experience as the season develops and that seems to be the case. Yet so far I've seen few reasons why.

[Babylon]

I've written many times that Pearson/Mandaric would increasingly turn to experience as the season develops and that seems to be the case.

On what evidence??? Because he brought on Dickov rather than Gradel? Give us a break.

[Number 6]

I understand wanting us to attack but against Leeds, with a new manager, they will inevitably apply some pressure. You have to be able to deal with it and be equipped to counter attack. If the opposing team are throwing everything forward, and we decide to too, the game will massively open up, and at 1-0 up you don't want that! From what I heard on Sky, we weren't pressured all that much, commentator seemed to think we looked fairly comfortable.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I didn't qustion the players commitment in any way or by implication - I only questioned their commitment to winning the game rather than not losing it which is somewhat different.

Otherwise thanks for your answers. I always have great respect for your views and not just because much of what you say only confirms the impressions I got.

I didn't object to Fryatt being taken off but would simply have had up-and-coming Gradel available to take over rather than Dickov and allowed Oakley to move into the centre with a high-pressing 4-5-1 that would have been able to stiffle Leeds attacks at source and to have broken forward at maximum speed on the counter-attack.

Instead it seems that Gradel is going the same way as Porter.

I've written many times that Pearson/Mandaric would increasingly turn to experience as the season develops and that seems to be the case. Yet so far I've seen few reasons why.

You comment on wanting us to attack for the second goal however your substituion would have involved taking off a striker and playing a five man midfield. Now regardless of how high you press, that would have left isolation issues with Howard, and given Leeds the opportunity to play three at the back and throw another body forward.

What Pearson did was the correct move, I don't think many would disagree who went to the game, as the balls forward were constantly coming from the back 4. The Leeds wingers had been pushed up right onto each full back.

Sometimes when teams throw men forward it is difficult to maintain focus on attacking, especially as you have something to protect.

I feel in practice you're theroies at a top class level would lead to more points dropped than gained.

[reidt]

its a point its good.

I think weve gained more points than weve lost in the last few minutes this season.

We gained 3 in the Bristol Rovers game, 2 in the Huddersfield game thats 5 points gained. And we scored 2 late goals in Leyton Orient away thats another 2 gained so that makes 7.

Lost 2 at Leeds, lost 2 at Swindon, lost 3 at Brighton. Also makes 7. And also the Fulham cup game but that weren't in the league.

Weve been behind against Walsall and drew, behind against Carlisle and won.

Its all pretty even, if not in our favour on the points won and lost in the last few minutes and points generally lost or won.

Quite right it all evens itself out

[Edmund]

Thats the nature of football unfortunately.

If we won no one would have questioned the subs, and if we drew/lost people are always going to blame the obvious.

The funny thing is I actually was going to complain about the lack of subs and leaving it late in the match thread but I thought that I would get a backlash for negative thinking towards the team.

That is one thing ive noticed with Person he likes to leave it late with subs but I will not question it as he knows better.

[Lovejoy]

I'm sorry, I've got to be honest, I genuinely think we're going down again . Everyone knows a 100% record is necessary to survive . Drawing a game is simply unnaceptable, Pearson Out .

[C.J]

I'd of took a point before, could see that goal coming though.

I was on row b, that wannabe bouncer c**t telling everybody to sit down all first half. I had to stand up to see round him, stupid annoying twatt.

On the other hand, that blonde steward was quite tastey.

[Guest Bilo]

Highlights for y'all. Lovely work from Fryatt for the goal.

Bentley's Roof Highlights

[Thracian]

On what evidence??? Because he brought on Dickov rather than Gradel? Give us a break.

Perhaps you should think harder. He's brought in four veterans, Powell, Berner, Edworthy and Dickov since the season started while young players like Gradel, Porter, Wesolowski, Mattock, Nicky Adams and Lee Cox (among others) have increasingly disappeared from the scene.

The only young player who seems to have made any real progress is Andy King.