stez Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 HAHAhahaha. Yes he whoops religion does he? Not at all, he whips a few freaks and picks and chooses his targets. Bill is involved with groups who want to discredit religion, but I suppose you think he's an honest person and would never mislead his fans. Too many believe what these celebrities say. It's hilarious.Go for it!! be seeing you at church tomorrow then?
StanSP Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 We all think we are right, yet there is no right answer. There is no right answer - just one VERY complex question with many answers. OR you could just use Ockham's Razor and go for the simplest answer.
Edmund Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 I honestly don't mind/bother about what anyone believes or if they think I'm stupid for what I believe. That's life when people ridicule you for having a slightly different belief. You will find that most people actually think that they understand things more than others. It's human nature. Not me though. I used to but not now. That's fair enough everyone has the right to believe what they want to. I never ridicule people just debate. I will however ridicule some of those youtube theories. (engines in the moon)
Edmund Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Who created molecules and atoms? Who created the creator of molecules and atoms?
StanSP Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Who created molecules and atoms? After the Big Bang, the molecules and atoms were formed after everyhting cooled and settled down. (paraphrased alot) And if you are going to ask who created the Big Bang, we'll just end up in an infinite regress, which, of course, can never be ended.
stez Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Who created the creator of molecules and atoms? my mate mike.
Bryn Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Who created the creator of molecules and atoms? Furthers my point. Something kicked it all off, I believe only acceptable explanation is and always will be some higher power, whatever that is.
FilboFox Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Correct, stars do move towards and away. Far, far more are moving away and all scientists agree on the big bang don't they?The universe is expanding. Fact I honestly don't mind/bother about what anyone believes or if they think I'm stupid for what I believe. That's life when people ridicule you for having a slightly different belief. You will find that most people actually think that they understand things more than others. It's human nature. Not me though. I used to but not now. RE my previous post about the expanding universe... that should clear up that attempt to prove something on your part.
jonno24 Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Totally untrue. Evolution has never been proved. Proved wrong yes.We never took hundreds of thousands of years to get here! Humans were humans from the beginning. If you truly believe that we used to be different creatures, you are as silly as the religious people you say are silly. Quite funny really what people believe cos of a few theories! i never said humans started off as other creatures just not the type of humans that we are today. also think of this parts of the body that are not used as much today as in the past ie: appendix,the goosebumps we have on our body are where we used to have hairs when we were neanderthals. yet today we dont have them or use them what is this then if not evolution ?
BoneDog Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 To me, creationism is just utter rubbish... I can't understand how anyone can believe such tosh. To believe that everything was created by someone or something and placed here!?! What about the dinosaurs? What about the clear facts that we have about things that have evolved over time!?! I know many will find arguments against Darwinism but to me, all of them are just rubbish and don't even start to justify the belief that there is a "God" up there somewhere... scientists have found facts... proof... whatever you want to call it that things have evolved and most probably so have we... then there is also the fact that we know that we have only been around for a tiny proportion of the earths lifetime which contradicts everything about the whole "everything made in 7 days" or whatever that crap is that is found in the bible... it just beggers belief how people can believe such clearly made up stuff probably with the soul purpose of keeping peasants in order many century's back...I know that many will want to believe in something like "God" which is fine, I'm not hold it against them but I just cannot get my head around it as to me, it, as I've already said, is just utter rubbish. I can't stand any religion as it's the cause of so much tension and violence between people and to be honest, I'm fairly sure we'd be better off without it! It's just my beliefs so I'm not having a go at anyone but I can't comprehend how people believe it and in the face of such an abundance of facts supporting Darwinism, it's the only option for me which makes any sense... To you it's utter rubbish, but not to most. You carry on believing that us humans are the greatest and most intelligent things in the universe. There's no harm in it. As for you saying "many will want to believe", I don't want to, but after 30 years and 10 years of reading (including reading a hundred books about your so-called fact of evoltuion) I came to the conclusion that there is more out there.
Phube Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Furthers my point. Something kicked it all off, I believe only acceptable explanation is and always will be some higher power, whatever that is. But his point was, who created that higher power... As someone else said infinite regress is no argument!
Edmund Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 aye, we are. you got richard and david mixed up though it's a good series though....and hopefully this week i won't be so tired that i fall asleep half way through....again! Shit I always get those two mixed up. Aren't they brothers both from Leicester? There is no such thing as a Jesus?! What?He was definately a man who lived 2000 years ago. No doubt about that. Every single historian out there has no doubt on that matter. Do you believe there was no Pharoahs either? Of course you don't because of the evidence they left behind. Well, Jesus left plenty of evidence of his existence and I don't mean the Bible. Plenty of other evidence because he had a major effect on the world around him at the time. You might of meant that Jesus is not God? I totally agree with you there, he was just a man like the rest of us. The Creative force/God or whatever people say is not a man obviously. I do actually agree with you partly on this. Jesus most probably did exist but was no more than an old age Darren Brown/David Blayne character. A talented magician. Im not saying thats fact but it's something I heard and think it sounds about right. After the Big Bang, the molecules and atoms were formed after everyhting cooled and settled down. (paraphrased alot)And if you are going to ask who created the Big Bang, we'll just end up in an infinite regress, which, of course, can never be ended. Exactly it's a non stop argument, but it is fact that we were created from the big bang. The whole universe was and that was made up of molecules and atoms. my mate mike. I thought it was tesco's.
StanSP Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 I can't beleive I got myself involved in this. Again. It does my head in.
jonno24 Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Also we are living in a vastly different world to the one our ancestors did so we have had to adapt to these situations or as ive said before weve evolved
BoneDog Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 There isn't any proof of that... and to be quite honest, from some of the stuff that the Bible says he is supposed to have done, I find it difficult to believe that he existed at all either! Bloody nora. Jesus never wrote the Bible !! Many have this false belief so you're not alone. I give up cos people will never agree. At least learn this : Jesus never wrote the Bible. He brought the Gospels, which is a small part of the New Testament. Most of that I.e Paul, Matthew and all them other names were written long after Jesus died. And you honestly believe Jesus never existed? Mental
potter3 Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Exactly it's a non stop argument, but it is fact that we were created from the big bang. The whole universe was and that was made up of molecules and atoms. It's not a fact if it hasn't been proven.
Edmund Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Furthers my point. Something kicked it all off, I believe only acceptable explanation is and always will be some higher power, whatever that is. Mate if we knew the answer to that we wouldn't be having this debate. Ive never said that we weren't created but what im trying to get across is that a man in a beard didn't drop adam and eve onto this earth and the rest is history. There is something which created the big bang and it is highly unlikely it is a god. If a god or gods existed who created him?
Bryn Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Mate if we knew the answer to that we wouldn't be having this debate. Ive never said that we weren't created but what im trying to get across is that a man in a beard didn't drop adam and eve onto this earth and the rest is history. There is something which created the big bang and it is highly unlikely it is a god. If a god or gods existed who created him? That's not the be all and end all of religious belief though, which people seem to think. It just betrays a vast lack of knowledge about, well, anything.
FilboFox Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 To you it's utter rubbish, but not to most. You carry on believing that us humans are the greatest and most intelligent things in the universe. There's no harm in it.As for you saying "many will want to believe", I don't want to, but after 30 years and 10 years of reading (including reading a hundred books about your so-called fact of evoltuion) I came to the conclusion that there is more out there. Where the hell did I say that!?! Seriously, your attempts to justify or back the idea of creationism are pathetic. I never said that humans were the greatest or most intelligent things in the universe nor do I believe that... but to be quite frank, what the **** has that got to do with creationism vs Darwinism debate?!?! From reading the vast majority of your arguments on here, you clearly are just making stuff up or are blindly ignoring the overwhelming evidence, and yes there is A LOT out there which you are choosing to ignore, supporting evolution and Darwinism! As are, from your argument the vast majority of the planet who are selectively choosing to ignore it as they fear the idea that there is nothing out there guiding them!!!
Edmund Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 But his point was, who created that higher power... As someone else said infinite regress is no argument! Spot on I can't beleive I got myself involved in this. Again.It does my head in. My thoughts exactly. Can't help myself.
BoneDog Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 I do actually agree with you partly on this. Jesus most probably did exist but was no more than an old age Darren Brown/David Blayne character. A talented magician. Im not saying thats fact but it's something I heard and think it sounds about right. Dunna be silly! Brown or Blayne will not be remembered 200 years after their death let alone 2000. Jesus had over a million followers before he died. He tried to stop oppression and other things. Very brave. Totally different to most human beings ever. I don't believe he is God though. Must stress that I can't beleive I got myself involved in this. Again.It does my head in. Same here. It's a nightmare and stressful
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