fox123 Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 I suspect half would believe in evolution and half in creation. --------------------- However to plays devils advocate. If you look at the film the matrix the version of reality available to those inside the matrix does not represent reality at all its just a product of the super computers who use the humans as “batteries”. Do you want the red pill or the blue pill. ------------------------------- On another note, God used to be called the God of the gaps and the argument is as science has advanced further and further there is less space for a supernatural God to exist as more and more of creation seems explainable by natural phenomina. Starting from the big bang onwards. In fact the original term “big bang” was used as a disparaging description by Sir Fed Hoyle who felt the description was dangerously near admitting the possibility there was a prime mover for the universe. --------------------------- There is no way you can “prove God” or disprove him either actually hence the word probabley on the atheist bus. Its quite possible to have a view of the universe without God involved.
Asha Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Personally I believe in God. Now I know there's not proof, and I know the scientific theories can be convincing...but that's just a belief I have.
Zingari Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 objection your honour !! terms such as "devil's advocate" should not be used in this discussion . It implies that there are such supernatural entities at work , and should be stricken from the record . there's only one way to find out .........FIIIIIGHT !!!!
DB11 Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Personally I believe in God.Now I know there's not proof, and I know the scientific theories can be convincing...but that's just a belief I have. That's because you can't prove something that doesn't exist
Bryn Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 The idea that to believe in God you must believe in creationism very much irks me. I know a guy who thinks he's really intelligent who constantly spouts on about how God can't exist because anyone who believes in Adam and Eve is an idiot. Well yeah, anyone that believes Genesis is an idiot, you'd be pushed to find many educated Christians that do believe it, evolution is pretty accepted now, it's not really even up for debate amongst normal people anymore. Science will never truly answer everything. Something had to set it all into motion and for me that's a god, whichever god it might be is irrelevant. There's something there.
Stuliasz Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 To echo Burnham's view, I can't see why God and evolution can't exist side by side.
Guest Bilo Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Evolution. Have to agree with the earlier post that God was used to explain the inexplicable and as science discovers more and more about us, the less relevant religion becomes. The phrase 'God Particle' being used in relation to the Big Bang is often used by various religious lobbies as evidence that God exists. I'm fairly sure that in the years to come that will seem as ridiculous as theories of the Earth being flat and at the centre of the universe. I would advise anybody who is interested in the subjects of theism and atheism to read The God Delusion (Richard Dawkins) or God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything. (Christopher Hitchens)
Daggers Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 This is a bad idea. It's been done. It will end in tears.
BoneDog Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 I suspect half would believe in evolution and half in creation. Nowhere near half believe in evolution. Over 5 billion people in the world believe in a Creator. So do I. Nothing I have ever seen could just appear without a designer/creator. Even something as simple as a pencil. So for someone to tell me there wasn't a designer/creator behind the most complex things in the universe (us, plants, animals, planets etc.) makes me wonder how they believe that. As for the big bang, here's a quote from the Koran 1400 years ago : "Have not the unbelievers seen how the heavens and the earth were once one? Then We clove them asunder and are steadily expanding them". Science now shows us that stars are slowly and steadily moving away from us (this point is not even debatable, it is known fact). So this suggests that the universe is steadily expanding. And if the universe is steadily expanding that would also suggest that if we went back in time we would come to a point where everything was one (or joined together). As for evolution, I know alot of people believe in it without one piece of evidence so that belief is the same in believing in an invisible force. The fact is there isn't any evidence for evolution at all. That's why it's called 'The Evolution Theory'. I am fairly sure that in years to come 'evolution' will be seen as what it has already been proved to be by many scientists. A wrong theory like many others over the years. Why aren't I at Bristol? Then I could of stayed out of this!
GLC Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 I did believe in the god theory at first, but evolution makes more sense now
StanSP Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 This is a bad idea. It's been done. True. It was done about a month ago. I kind of started it and it got a little heated. But we each have our own opinions and there's nothing changing that. Each has had their own experiences too.
Webbo Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Hasn't this been done to death now? What does it matter what anyone thinks on this subject? Give it a rest.
Fox63 Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 To be honest, I think that religion is for the weak and the naive. These are people who need to be guided in one way or another. They believe that writings and theories from hundereds and sometimes thousands of years ago have some sort of relevance in todays society. While I have nothing against church goers who clearly have an unwavering belief in a greater being or "God," it is the "fence sitters" that do my head in. My wife is one of those. People who believe in god just in case. I teach my son not to believe the ramblings of teachers at school but to listen and understand so that he can form his own arguments and opinions in the future. I teach him what I know to be true, but, I would never pull him out of those lessons as I feel he needs to understand the beliefs of others.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 It will end in tears. True To be honest, I think that religion is for the weak and the naive. These are people who need to be guided in one way or another. They believe that writings and theories from hundereds and sometimes thousands of years ago have some sort of relevance in todays society. While I have nothing against church goers who clearly have an unwavering belief in a greater being or "God," it is the "fence sitters" that do my head in. My wife is one of those. People who believe in god just in case. I teach my son not to believe the ramblings of teachers at school but to listen and understand so that he can form his own arguments and opinions in the future. I teach him what I know to be true, but, I would never pull him out of those lessons as I feel he needs to understand the beliefs of others. Oh dear... here we go
fox123 Posted 21 February 2009 Author Posted 21 February 2009 Apologies, please close if inappropriate, was a little drunk last night after a bottle of red and 6 cans of beer, and was just thinking about this subject.
Jon the Hat Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 To be honest, I think that religion is for the weak and the naive. That would cover the aforementioned 5 billion in the world then. We are all weak in some ways, and if people find strength in faith then good for them. I really don't however accept in any way that anyone has the right to condemn me or judge me for my beliefs. We are lucky enough to live in a country which has religious freedom, and I care deeply about it staying that way. The biggie here for me is the teaching of creationism as science. It is not science and has no place in a science curriculum. It is faith, so teach it as such. Simple stuff really.
jonno24 Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 tbh i respect anyones belief that a god exists wether they are christian,muslim,hindu or such like but to me it just seems obsurd that even the notion of an intelligent being that can create worlds just like that and can create life willy nilly exists. there is no such thing as god,jesus,allah,vishnu, or whatever you want to call it its just a collection of beliefs that over thausands of years has wormed its way into the public mind. its just the same as santa claus he doesnt exist but a man that created the whole universe in 7 days that i can see being true religion is just a bunch of people fighting over who has the biggest invisible friend.
StanSP Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 tbh i respect anyones belief that a god exists wether they are christian,muslim,hindu or such like but to me it just seems obsurd that even the notion of an intelligent being that can create worlds just like that and can create life willy nilly exists.there is no such thing as god,jesus,allah,vishnu, or whatever you want to call it its just a collection of beliefs that over thausands of years has wormed its way into the public mind. its just the same as santa claus he doesnt exist but a man that created the whole universe in 7 days that i can see being true religion is just a bunch of people fighting over who has the biggest invisible friend. You don't really respect it then do you.
lavrentis Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 tbh i respect anyones belief that a god exists wether they are christian,muslim,hindu or such like but to me it just seems obsurd that even the notion of an intelligent being that can create worlds just like that and can create life willy nilly exists.there is no such thing as god,jesus,allah,vishnu, or whatever you want to call it its just a collection of beliefs that over thausands of years has wormed its way into the public mind. its just the same as santa claus he doesnt exist but a man that created the whole universe in 7 days that i can see being true religion is just a bunch of people fighting over who has the biggest invisible friend. Bluntly put, but I agree with you.
Edmund Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Nowhere near half believe in evolution. Over 5 billion people in the world believe in a Creator. So do I. Nothing I have ever seen could just appear without a designer/creator. Even something as simple as a pencil. So for someone to tell me there wasn't a designer/creator behind the most complex things in the universe (us, plants, animals, planets etc.) makes me wonder how they believe that.As for the big bang, here's a quote from the Koran 1400 years ago : "Have not the unbelievers seen how the heavens and the earth were once one? Then We clove them asunder and are steadily expanding them". Science now shows us that stars are slowly and steadily moving away from us (this point is not even debatable, it is known fact). So this suggests that the universe is steadily expanding. And if the universe is steadily expanding that would also suggest that if we went back in time we would come to a point where everything was one (or joined together). As for evolution, I know alot of people believe in it without one piece of evidence so that belief is the same in believing in an invisible force. The fact is there isn't any evidence for evolution at all. That's why it's called 'The Evolution Theory'. I am fairly sure that in years to come 'evolution' will be seen as what it has already been proved to be by many scientists. A wrong theory like many others over the years. Why aren't I at Bristol? Then I could of stayed out of this! Stars move towards and away from us. Anyway empty I can see deja vu here. Ready for another science Vs religion debate? Waits anxiously for youtube videos
jonno24 Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 Bluntly put, but I agree with you. i think bluntly is the only way some people will realise the sillyness of this one true creator thing is silly. Why cant people just realise that we evolved from molecules and bacteria and got to where we are today by EVOLUTION its been proved by scientists yet people always use the prove to me god doesnt exist excuse. we are proof god doesnt exist we didnt just land on earth how we are today it took hundreds of thausands of years to get where we are today. if you need more reason to believe that god doesnt exist check out the film Religulous it is a farenheit 9/11 type documentary that is hosted by Bill Maher an american comedian who quite frankly whoops religions ass at every turn.
Edmund Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 i think bluntly is the only way some people will realise the sillyness of this one true creator thing is silly. Why cant people just realise that we evolved from molecules and bacteria and got to where we are today by EVOLUTION its been proved by scientists yet people always use the prove to me god doesnt exist excuse.we are proof god doesnt exist we didnt just land on earth how we are today it took hundreds of thausands of years to get where we are today. if you need more reason to believe that god doesnt exist check out the film Religulous it is a farenheit 9/11 type documentary that is hosted by Bill Maher an american comedian who quite frankly whoops religions ass at every turn. This... It is FACT that we are made up of molecules and atoms which most probably came from debris which landed on earth millions of years ago from a result of a supernova. The debris hit earth and in optimum conditions we evolved from there.
Zingari Posted 21 February 2009 Posted 21 February 2009 it's a buyer's market these days ; gods will be falling over themselves to get you to believe in them and will probably offer all sorts of deals like free vigins in heaven and harp lessons and that , so go out and believe in the one that gives you the best deal fook them hellfire and brimstone brigade !!
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