Creationism v Darwinsim

[stez]

I think that's more to do with improved diets.

maybe if humans had been eating egg mcmuffins since adam and eve we'd be 16ft tall (on average) now

[FilboFox]

I think that's more to do with improved diets.

It can't be soley down to that... I did think that when writing the message but I thought, it cannot be soley down to that and other factors must have played a part...

[BoneDog]

Because the most important person in recent history is on it...Darwin!!!

You seem to rambling now. You're not making an awful lot of sense.

Who's controling me?

Don't know if anyone is controlling you, but you said I liked to be controlled because I don't just believe we 'appeared'.

Darwin is the most important person to probably 1 in 400 people on the planet.

[BoneDog]

I'm sorry... but unless you are joking here all previous points have just lost all credibility if they had any with that statement... what a load of UTTER SH*TE!!!! If you believe that, then you're utterly deluded.

OK, I'm deluded and FilboFox is a genius. There were no human beings when the dinosaurs were around.

My previous posts may have lost all credibility to you, that has upset me. I faced facts ages ago pal, FilboFox takes exception to everything I say just because I don't believe in evolution. That 'theory' of evolution that has been devalued many times, well I'm sorry foir not believing in that particular fantasy. When it is proved fact and not theory you can laugh at me. You'll be waiting a long long time cracker.

[BoneDog]

Yep..difinately rambling now. You need to read some books by better informed authors. Carbon dating is extremely accurate.

We have fossils in Bradgate Park that date back to the Pre-Cambrian period. That's 4500 million years ago!

Carbon dating is one of about 6 ways of dating things and it is certainly not flawless or extremely accurate. Proves you only read certain things. The Empty on the other hands reads from all angles and I know for a fact that you would not touch certain books. For example I'm not a fan of Dawkins but I read his books. I check all angles. You are just 1 sided.

[BoneDog]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA!!!!! 250,000 years old!!!! What a load of CRAP!!!

Seriously you need a damn good slapping to wake you from this bible bashing stupor you seem to find yourself in!

You know nothing do you? I'd love to know the small amount of books you read. Why do you unquestioningly follow the idea that the earth is however many billions of years old. It is by no way a fact. I certainly believe it is over 200,000 years old but any more than that is pure guesswork.

I also don't bash any Bible. I've got one but have only read it once. I'm not a Christian you muppet. Do you actually read anything I say? Or do you just think "I'll have another go at the empty one".

I need a slapping do I? Well, I guarantee, you wouldn't be able to manage it you deep sea threckster.

[BoneDog]

So let me just ask... do you think that humans were planted on this earth after having been 'created' by this 'God', that we have been around for nearly all of the earths existance, that nothing has ever evolved and that everything is the same as it was when earth first started?

Here's another little jem for you to get your teeth into... how come virtually all skeleton's that have been dug up from the past show that humans were considerably smaller in height than they are today? Surely that is part of evolution? Adapting to the times and surroundings?

Wow, you've just proved your non-existence of knowledge again. Humans were actually taller in the past. As you've brought up the fossil record, perhaps you should look at that more often. Even dragonflys were the same 100,000 years ago. There has been not ONE fossil found EVER of ANY species in between stages. If evolution were true, there would be plenty of fossils as they say it would take at least 10,000 years for one species to evolve into another. All fossils point o each species always being the same.

And yes I say that humans have been the same since the first. Don't ask me how we got here cos I don't know. And no humans don't change.

Make love, not war

[BoneDog]

surely this is concrete proof as to how the dinosaurs died out; noah saw the dangers and left them off the ark.

The great flood didn't cover the whole planet. Just a large area around Mesopotamia. A massive area was wiped out. There is evidence of this in tales from countless civilizations. Even in Wlaes 1500 years ago there are records of talks about this. All of Scandinavia has legends about it. Word got around at the time and there are records all over the world from a long time ago.

[FilboFox]

What utter bullsh*t have you been reading!!! Seriously, you haven't a clue!!!

It is FACT that humans were smaller in the past hence why previous human skulls and skeletons found were all smaller than ours today. Another clear example of shorter humans in the past are smaller doorways... why do you think they built them smaller?!?! All museums and records show that they are smaller... where DO you get your awful facts from!?!

Then you bring up dragonflies... hmm... intersting considering that in the program on the BBC that I watched not too long ago they were talking about them and saying that they were a lot larger back then and were one of the only types of species to survive since the dinosaurs... absolutely nowhere will you find anything that says they have stayed exactly the same so not me but YOU have once again shown your utter ignorance over that matter.

And then the fossils... hmm... well there again you are wrong. There have been examples of things changing over time including clear examples of things that have been trapped in sap... they may only be small insects but it's made clear by them that there is evidence of evolution going on. Skeletons of some birds, fish, and land animals have all been found that can be linked to current species that have small and/or large changes. And nowhere... absolutely NOWHERE will you find any fossils that say that all things have stayed the same... NOWHERE.

And trust me... you think I'll be waiting a long time for evolution to be proven fact despite mounting support for the idea and evidence starting to be found... well I know one thing for sure... you'll never find any evidence that supports creationism so you'll be waiting a hell of a lot longer than me for that to be proven fact... a HELL of a lot longer.

[Jordan]

Totally untrue. Evolution has never been proved. Proved wrong yes.

We never took hundreds of thousands of years to get here! Humans were humans from the beginning. If you truly believe that we used to be different creatures, you are as silly as the religious people you say are silly. Quite funny really what people believe cos of a few theories!

That's not what proponents of evolution argue.

First, I'll nitpick your semantics. Evolution is fact. Dismissing it as a "theory" not only does great disservice to the mountains of evidence that supports evolution, but it's also a gross misuse of the word "theory." In science, a theory isn't a guess or a hypothesis; rather, it's an entirely (or virtually entirely) plausible explanation of an occurrence based on massive amounts of evidence that prove the explanation of the event as fact. We can also use scientific theories to predict accurately similar events in the future or hypothetical events.

There is room for debate on the mechanisms that comprise a theory but theories themselves are not the subjects of debate. It is extremely rare (or even impossible) that a theory would be proven false in its entirety; just about every concept that is dismissed by the scientific community (e.g. the geocentric model of the universe and Young Earth creationism) lacks necessary empirical evidence to support it.

Evolution is a theory of biology just as gravity is a theory of physics, and only a fool would argue that gravity doesn't occur and that it's "only a theory."

Here's a question for you: how exactly has evolution, a commonly accepted fact in the scientific community, been proven to be false?

And here's a (simple) clarification of evolutionary theory: Homo sapiens as a species has always been Homo sapiens as long as it has existed; biologists will never argue against this. Nobody believes that humans used to be different creatures. What proponents of evolution do believe, however, is that humans--like every other species that have ever existed besides the first forms of life--evolved from an ancestor species.

In silly terms, monkey didn't just get another money pregnant, and out popped a human. Rather, mutations in a species' genetic make-up change gradually and over long periods of time before organisms that are descendent from a species can have enough genetic distinction between itself and its ancestors that it can be considered a new species.

[FilboFox]

That's not what proponents of evolution argue.

First, I'll nitpick your semantics. Evolution is fact. Dismissing it as a "theory" not only does great disservice to the mountains of evidence that supports evolution, but it's also a gross misuse of the word "theory." In science, a theory isn't a guess or a hypothesis; rather, it's an entirely (or virtually entirely) plausible explanation of an occurrence based on massive amounts of evidence that prove the explanation of the event as fact. We can also use scientific theories to predict accurately similar events in the future or hypothetical events.

There is room for debate on the mechanisms that comprise a theory but theories themselves are not the subjects of debate. It is extremely rare (or even impossible) that a theory would be proven false in its entirety; just about every concept that is dismissed by the scientific community (e.g. the geocentric model of the universe and Young Earth creationism) lacks necessary empirical evidence to support it.

Evolution is a theory of biology just as gravity is a theory of physics, and only a fool would argue that gravity doesn't occur and that it's "only a theory."

Here's a question for you: how exactly has evolution, a commonly accepted fact in the scientific community, been proven to be false?

And here's a (simple) clarification of evolutionary theory: Homo sapiens as a species has always been Homo sapiens as long as it has existed; biologists will never argue against this. Nobody believes that humans used to be different creatures. What proponents of evolution do believe, however, is that humans--like every other species that have ever existed besides the first forms of life--evolved from an ancestor species.

In silly terms, monkey didn't just get another money pregnant, and out popped a human. Rather, mutations in a species' genetic make-up change gradually and over long periods of time before organisms that are descendent from a species can have enough genetic distinction between itself and its ancestors that it can be considered a new species.

[Daggers]

We never took hundreds of thousands of years to get here! Humans were humans from the beginning.

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Are you maddog?

Are you maddog

Are you maddog in disguise?

Are you ma-a-addog in disguise?

[Jordan]

[Fox63]

Do you hear that El Empty......it's the sound of silence

You can stop doing this and come over to the dark side

[BoneDog]

Then you bring up dragonflies... hmm... intersting considering that in the program on the BBC that I watched not too long ago they were talking about them and saying that they were a lot larger back then and were one of the only types of species to survive since the dinosaurs... absolutely nowhere will you find anything that says they have stayed exactly the same so not me but YOU have once again shown your utter ignorance over that matter.

Obviously some kinds of dragonflys have died out, but so have some kinds of monkeys and other creatures, including dinosaurs. Those bigger dragonflys mean nothing. It doesn't mean these smaller ones have evolved from the bigger. They were around at the same time.

[BoneDog]

And then the fossils... hmm... well there again you are wrong. There have been examples of things changing over time including clear examples of things that have been trapped in sap... they may only be small insects but it's made clear by them that there is evidence of evolution going on. Skeletons of some birds, fish, and land animals have all been found that can be linked to current species that have small and/or large changes. And nowhere... absolutely NOWHERE will you find any fossils that say that all things have stayed the same... NOWHERE.

There are fossils that can be linked to current species but they are not between 1 stage and another. They are just different species of fish or whatever. Look at the Dodo. That has died out and it was just another form of bird, nothing more. There are no examples of things changing over time, just examples of different kinds of fish, birds etc. NOWHERE will you find a creature in between stages of evolution. That's why it's just a theory.

[Daggers]

It doesn't mean these smaller ones have evolved from the bigger. They were around at the same time.

:laugh:

Are you here all week?

Fantastic. You really are hysterical when you are on this stuff.

[BoneDog]

It is FACT that humans were smaller in the past hence why previous human skulls and skeletons found were all smaller than ours today. Another clear example of shorter humans in the past are smaller doorways... why do you think they built them smaller?!?! All museums and records show that they are smaller... where DO you get your awful facts from!?!

There are plenty of larger skulls in the fossil record. Have you ever seen some of the archaeological stuff around South America just as an example. Lots of finds suggest larger people and lots of drawings do too. I don't know what doorways have got to do with oat cos there are plenty of massive doorways in ancient ruins.

:laugh:

Are you here all week?

Fantastic. You really are hysterical when you are on this stuff.

I should be yes!

[BoneDog]

I give up. You're all mad sheep.

Evolution is fact?!! I really have heard it all. Nutters the lot of ya.

The little groups around that are out to decieve are laughing at people like you. Apart from the few of you who are 'in' of course

[Zingari]

I give up. You're all mad sheep.

Evolution is fact?!! I really have heard it all. Nutters the lot of ya.

The little groups around that are out to decieve are laughing at people like you. Apart from the few of you who are 'in' of course

you are correct, of course evolution ( the complete theory ) isn't a fact , but it's possible to prove that lifeforms do evolve over time , and quite how and why is still a mystery as it is possible to prove that not all of it is due to external conditions .

but it is the best explanation by far of life on earth and the theory will probably "evolve" over time as more scientic evidence is discovered . and some scientists will have to admit they were wrong about previous beliefs .

this contrasts sharply with religious beliefs that are so contradictory , but the adherehents remain intransigent , or worse stil , they change the goalposts to say that anything in the bible that can be disproven is not meant to be taken literally .

quite how much is meant to be taken literally is never fully explained and only ever seems to be altered after it is proved incorrect

[Phube]

From:

to:

in less than 500 years!

Now given that the earth has had BILLIONS of years... you still don't think evolution is even a probability!!?

[Zingari]

From:

to:

in less than 500 years!

Now given that the earth has had BILLIONS of years... you still don't think evolution is even a probability!!?

i'd say i don't believe a wolf could evolve into that image hosting sign ,,

come on prove me wrong

[Bryn]

Evolution can be observed in a petri dish.

[AoWW]

*sigh* Oh god, not this all over again. So glad I was in Bristol yesterday and missed out on the majority of it.

[FilboFox]

I give up... El Empty you clearly have such a narrow view of things that you can't come away from your absurd view that everything is as it was from day one... despite mounting evidence supporting evolution you still believe the trash that is creationism...

There is no hope for some I suppose...