Now this isn't right

[Guest Bilo]

You wouldn't. It's very hard to be critical of anything anti-War without being shouted down. I don't believe in the Iraq war either . It is obscene and based on a chapter of deception by Good Christian Blair. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't have been scathing criticism of The Mirror, if, of course, there is anyone left who takes that bit of bog paper seriously.

I can't imagine anybody with functioning grey matter taking it seriously to be honest. It's just another dumbed down rag like The Sun, but with delusions of grandeur.

[BoneDog]

You wouldn't. It's very hard to be critical of anything anti-War without being shouted down. I don't believe in the Iraq war either . It is obscene and based on a chapter of deception by Good Christian Blair. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't have been scathing criticism of The Mirror, if, of course, there is anyone left who takes that bit of bog paper seriously.

I would say "fake Christian" myself. Definitely not a real one. There are many of them in government around the world. Pretend Christians who start shit.

[Thracian]

I would say "fake Christian" myself. Definitely not a real one. There are many of them in government around the world. Pretend Christians who start shit.

The "good" bit was meant to be sarcastic.

[BoneDog]

The "good" bit was meant to be sarcastic.

Seen. But it still has to be stressed that he's not Christian at all. His actions speak volumes about that

[Thracian]

Seen. But it still has to be stressed that he's not Christian at all. His actions speak volumes about that

It's a special branch of Christianity. He's a Labour Party Christian. They're allowed to be hypocritical.

[Lillehamring]

Blame the people who make the rules. Not anyone else. The Mail is just a far-right shit stirring bullshit paper. Fact.

all newspapers are shit-stirrers, readers take their weapon of choice - right or, um, not so right...

as long as people continue to buy newspapers, they will continue to pump out sensationalist shite all day, every day.

i blame the readership, for without them the papers wouldn't exist - the trouble is people want to be wound up in self-righteous hate of those who are different to themselves in society: for every middle class WASP daily mail reader getting wound up about immigration, there is some redneck knuckle head indignant about the amount of money spent supporting the national ballet.

i can't remember the last time i sat and read an entire newspaper, at least not without wincing at some indulgent knee-jerk excuse for journalism.

[Zingari]

i've just read in the daily mail that fred goodwin and a few other failed bankers are to receive massive pensions , and had got quite hot under the collar :angry:

i.m pleased to learn through these pages that it's all just bollox

[Daggers]

All newspapers have an agenda it just happens that the Mail's is right of centre, that's why it's always denigrated.

No.

It's denigrated because it fabricates and/or sensationalises stories, always focussing on the same tired themes of foreigners/illegals/Aids/Princess of Hearts/The EU/etc., trotting out the same blinkered arguments aimed at 30-80yr old right-wing women who are scared of black people & homosexuality and bake cakes.

The Mirror was actually proven to have faked photographs in it's anti Iraq war coverage yet I never read any critisism of that.

Maybe because no one is dumb enough to attempt to justify an opinion using the Mirror as a source?

[Ultra]

i'm not making any comment on the actual story because I don't know the truth of it anymore than all the people on here who know for certain that it must be a lie because it's in the Mail. I certainly didn't burst a blood vessel, normally I skip stories like this because I'm not interested.

All newspapers have an agenda it just happens that the Mail's is right of centre, that's why it's always denigrated. The Mirror was actually proven to have faked photographs in it's anti Iraq war coverage yet I never read any critisism of that.

Maybe because when that scandal came to light, the editor responsible was immediately and rightly sacked.

Meanwhile the Mail regularly fakes stories, for which it has to fork out in libel costs, yet its editor still remains in his post.

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?st...p;sectioncode=1

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/nov/0...zi-racism-libel

http://www.rjw.co.uk/news-events/directnew...from-daily-mail

It happens on such a regular basis that even its few genuine scoops cease to carry any credibility - at least outside its core base of readers who are still embittered about the ending of the British empire.

[Master Fox]

/Aids/

[Alexikokopops]

It could be a gross misrepresentation of the facts. It didn't tell me, when quoting its figures, if the organs that have been donated to foreigners are because they were not compatible with the British donors on the register.

It also chose a figure of 795 transplants going to foreigners, because it looks like a huge amount, by which point the apoplectic Mail reader has burst a blood vessel before he or she sees that that is over a 10 year period.

It also says, in a passing comment, that Britons are allowed to go to the EU for transplants, but don't. What it doesn't say is that Britons take advantage of other medical procedures across the EU, without it costing the patient.

Maybe because when that scandal came to light, the editor responsible was immediately and rightly sacked.

Meanwhile the Mail regularly fakes stories, for which it has to fork out in libel costs, yet its editor still remains in his post.

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?st...p;sectioncode=1

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/nov/0...zi-racism-libel

http://www.rjw.co.uk/news-events/directnew...from-daily-mail

It happens on such a regular basis that even its few genuine scoops cease to carry any credibility - at least outside its core base of readers who are still embittered about the ending of the British empire.

That'll do for me.

[Finnegan]

COULD TEENAGE SEX DEVALUE YOUR PETS?

WILL THE E.U. IMPREGNATE MIDDLE BRITAIN?

ARE THE POLES GIVING HOUSE PRICES DIABETES?

WILL BRUSSELS BUREAUCRATS DEVALUE THE BRITISH PEOPLE?

COULD THE METRIC SYSTEM RUIN THE COUNTRYSIDE?

[Webbo]

I've got to get ready to go out now but I will throughly debunk all your arguments tomorrow.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Face the facts mate. The mail tells the truth about the shitty government and how we are getting screwed over - you obviously just don't like it.

Ha!

[Guest]

What Daggers said.

[Nationwider]

What makes matters worse for those British patients waiting for a transplant back home is the fact that hospitals have been told to treat all patients in order of strict 'clinical priority'.

This means that a patient from another EU country can leapfrog a Briton who is less ill when an organ equally suitable for both patients becomes available.

I must admit I'm having a problem understanding exactly what The Daily Mail's point is here. That a British citizen with organ failure albeit in a stable, healthy condition and a reasonable quality of life should have priority for a transplant over a critically ill EU citizen with days to live?

The article is such a load of shit I'm embarrassed. I don't read the Daily Mail so I don't know if its typical copy - but if it is, I admire its regular readers for their loyalty in the face of such nonsense.

[Thracian]

That'll do for me.

Not for me.

I'd doubt there's a single daily newspaper that hasn't been sued for similar things and to pretend the Daily Mail is an habitual publisher of made-up stories is nonsense.

Furthermore there is a difference between making up stories and being guilty of receiving false or misinterpreted information.

Finally there is also a huge difference between a story being true and being able to prove that it is true.

[davieG]

Newspaper Editors, Politicians - I can't tell the difference.

[Daggers]

Newspaper Editors, Politicians - I can't tell the difference.

Newspapers - bollocks - I can't tell the difference.

[Zingari]

Not for me.

I'd doubt there's a single daily newspaper that hasn't been sued for similar things and to pretend the Daily Mail is an habitual publisher of made-up stories is nonsense.

Furthermore there is a difference between making up stories and being guilty of receiving false or misinterpreted information.

Finally there is also a huge difference between a story being true and being able to prove that it is true.

very true ; Private Eye magazine has been sued quite a few times , and fined hefty sums in damages , and only later to be proven correct

as you say , there is also a huge difference between a story being true and being able to prove that it is true

[Babylon]

Maybe aura is the horses name!!

[Zingari]

I must admit I'm having a problem understanding exactly what The Daily Mail's point is here. That a British citizen with organ failure albeit in a stable, healthy condition and a reasonable quality of life should have priority for a transplant over a critically ill EU citizen with days to live?

The article is such a load of shit I'm embarrassed. I don't read the Daily Mail so I don't know if its typical copy - but if it is, I admire its regular readers for their loyalty in the face of such nonsense.

admirable sentiments, but is it because it is the "National Health Service" , not International Health Service ?

[Guest]

admirable sentiments, but is it because it is the "National Health Service" , not International Health Service ?

It's not International in the main, it is limited to the EU, where all citizens have the same rights across the EEA.

[Ultra]

Not for me.

I'd doubt there's a single daily newspaper that hasn't been sued for similar things and to pretend the Daily Mail is an habitual publisher of made-up stories is nonsense.

Furthermore there is a difference between making up stories and being guilty of receiving false or misinterpreted information.

Finally there is also a huge difference between a story being true and being able to prove that it is true.

Tell us, seriously, do journos go through some sort of initiation ceremony (similar to the masons) where they swear an oath to defend and protect each other no matter what?

Type "daily mail pays libel damages" into Google and you'll find any number of examples where that publication has recklessly run stories without even making the slightest effort to establish they contained even the remotest shred of truth.

While all tabloids and indeed broadsheets and TV channels have also been guilty of this practice, as we've seen in the Madeleine McCann saga, with the Mail it's so frequent it's virtually impossible to conclude that it's not deliberate and systematic.

Sadly, even in the 21st century, there are sufficient numbers of people whose minds are so twisted by bigotry and hate that they are prepared to swallow any number of lies that the rag will feed them.

[Zingari]

It's not International in the main, it is limited to the EU, where all citizens have the same rights across the EEA.

I'm sure you are right and i don't know the legalities of it but , i was led to believe this was intended for emergency treatment that was needed whilst a traveller was abroad , not medical conditions that were on-going ( unless the person's health service had agreed to pay the costs )

perhaps , this was indeed the case though , (as i say i'm not aware of the facts or the legalities ) and agree that maybe it is a "non" story