Just another sorry chapter...errr Book!

[Edmund]

He clearly wasn't a safe person to admit and the person who made that decision should answer for it.

It says in the article he was diagnosed in 2005, two years before the attack.

Yes you are right but thracian said he should not have been allowed into the country in the first place due to the illness but he was diagnosed whilst in Uk afterwards.

[Thracian]

How would they know that he wasn't safe?

Just because he suffers from schizophrenia doesn't mean he is going to be violent in the future. Ive said it once and il say it again, hindsight is such a wonderful thing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/213981.stm

This one was demonstably violent - that's a fact, not some pathetic theory. And the many times my father returned home from the Towers having been attacked by schizo's was another fact.

I doubt this guy even suffers from simple schizophrenia but more likely parahoid schizophrenia and I'd be amazed if the danger he presented wasn't apparent.

http://www.healthsquare.com/mc/fgmc2415.htm

And he would very likely continue to be violent in certain circumstances - it is only his treatment that might control his violence - and it is utterly iresponsible and unnecessary to take the chance.

Hindsight is indeed wonderful. It is also irrelevent. It is foresight that's needed and had some foresight been shown then that copper wouldn't have died and that window cleaner wouldn't have been stabbed.

http://www.healthsquare.com/mc/fgmc2415.htm

[Alexikokopops]

Yes you are right but thracian said he should not have been allowed into the country in the first place due to the illness but he was diagnosed whilst in Uk afterwards.

When did he come in the country? I'm only skim reading at work so I keep missing important things (as we've already seen!)

[Thracian]

Your anger is understandable tharcian but no where in the article does it say that they knew he was suffering from mental health problems before he came into the country. How are they suppose to know if they don't?

If we knew Hitler was going to fook the world over before he did we would have stopped it. Get my point?

Im not defending him and obviously it is very tragic but your comments blaming the system are based on nothing. You cant blame the system and assume they knew his state and what he was capable of. If there is another article backing your points fair enough but at the moment it's all assumptions.

It was perfectly obvious Hitler was an unbalanced and dangerous fanatic long before the War started - there were many attempts on his life - and I am quite sure the signs would have been clear with this bloke.

Indeed I look forward to reading some follow up article from an on-the-ball journalist about exactly who the person was who appeared in the dock. If he turns out to have been the quite, harmless, friendly guy some of you would have me believe then I'll reconsider my view.

You are defending him because you are defending the system that has so clearly let people down. And his case is by no means the only example of ridiculous misjudgements costing people their lives. And in this case, as with so many others not necessarily involving asylum seekers or foreigners of any sort, they even had a miimum of two years notice.

Didn't someone say the Yorkshire Ripper was safe to release now only a few weeks ago. Why?

He's not killed anyone since he's been locked up. For what earthly reason would you take the risk of releasing him? None of his victims will be getting their lives back.

[Finnegan]

Wait. What?

I went for a cuppa, I come back and we're talking about Hitler?

[Manwell Pablo]

I don't see what the problem is, we get a paranoid Schizo, Thailand got Gary Glitter. fair swap if you ask me.

[Finnegan]

I don't see what the problem is, we get a paranoid Schizo, Thailand got Gary Glitter. fair swap if you ask me.

[Thracian]

I have no issues on checking the mental health or physical heath of Assylum seekers but where it fits in there application is highly debateable. SHould an asylum seeker with AIDS be refused, or should that person be given the chance to live there life in the UK! Or in the case of a person with mental problems, are they capable of fighting there case for asylum in the first place!!

I have very little knowledge on the subject, so I apologise in advance!!!

a) Yes and you'd think we'd have learned that by now. Disease wiped out whole communities when we went colonising the world and there are huge concerns about the increase/prevelance of TB and Aids in this country some but by no means all of which is down to the huge influx of people from areas where such diseases like AIDS are rife.

Offer treatment/treatment advice by all means but our responsibility is to our nationals and that includes your kids and mine. It is irresponsible to facilitate the spread of disease unnecessarily and our worsening economic sitation won't improve that situation at all, quite the contrary.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7109139.stm

http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/news/healt...#036;458920.htm

http://www.avert.org/uk-statistics.htm

http://www.24dash.com/news/Health/2006-11-...by-11-in-a-year

b) I'd doubt it in most cases and it would be counter-productive for a lawyer to do it. And they would have their client's interests rather than the nation's in mind anyway. In fact the whole raft of human rights/asylum law seems to be nothing but a gravy train for lawyers. No wonder they wouldn't want it to change.

[Manwell Pablo]

a) Yes and you'd think we'd have learned that by now. Disease wiped out whole communities when we went colonising the world and there are huge concerns about the increase/prevelance of TB and Aids in this country some but by no means all of which is down to the huge influx of people from areas where such diseases like AIDS are rife. Offer treatment/treatment advice by all means but our responsibility is to our nationals and that includes your kids and mine. It is irresponsible to facilitate the spread of disease unnecessarily and our worsening economic sitation won't improve that situation at all, quite the contrary.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7109139.stm

http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/news/healt...#036;458920.htm

http://www.avert.org/uk-statistics.htm

http://www.avert.org/uk-statistics.htm

http://www.24dash.com/news/Health/2006-11-...by-11-in-a-year

b) I'd doubt it in most cases and it would be counter-productive for a lawyer to do it. And they would have their client's interests rather than the nation's in mind anyway. In fact the whole raft of human rights/asylum law seems to be nothing but a gravy train for lawyers. No wonder they wouldn't want it to change.

Oh stop your silly AIDS scare mongoring. We have a high rate because imigrants are diagnosed over here not because they are spreading it around. in 3/4 of new HIV cases the victim has contracted the virus outside of the UK and brought it in, which yes means they're brining it in, but also shows they aren't spreading it otherwise that fraction would be lower, also about 15% are gay men and about 3% are drug users. Giving you a hetrosexual transmisson rate in this county of about 7%, which is F**K all. about 6 per Million.

[MPH]

A young policeman lies dead.

His family are presumably devastated.

A window cleaner was stabbed.

Another might well have been stabbed (that's only relating to the incident considered by the court which I'd seriously doubt was the only one because...)

The man was diagnosed with Schizophrenia in 2005.

The guy's was free to wreak his havoc on our streets two years later.

He shouldn't have been here.

Doubtless, conveniently, no-one will genuiinely be made to answer for all the despair he's caused because of idiot decisions.

And still you make excuses.

No wonder this country's fecked.

why dont you make the same level of fuss over people killed by british nationals?

that there lies YOUR problem.

[Guest]

I have no issues on checking the mental health or physical heath of Assylum seekers but where it fits in there application is highly debateable. SHould an asylum seeker with AIDS be refused, or should that person be given the chance to live there life in the UK! Or in the case of a person with mental problems, are they capable of fighting there case for asylum in the first place!!

I have very little knowledge on the subject, so I apologise in advance!!!

I have some knowledge, so allow me to interject.

You can only be granted asylum if you can show a well-founded fear of persecution based on a convention ground (Refugee Convention 1951 - race, religion, nationality, particular social group or political opinion), and where the state does not or cannot intervene.

Health issues are not a reason for granting asylum, and any attempt to use European Convention on Human Rights to remain in the UK will also fail (N v SSHD & the appeal to the ECtHR N v UK).

[Thracian]

Oh stop your silly AIDS scare mongoring. We have a high rate because imigrants are diagnosed over here not because they are spreading it around. in 3/4 of new HIV cases the victim has contracted the virus outside of the UK and brought it in, which yes means they're brining it in, but also shows they aren't spreading it otherwise that fraction would be lower, also about 15% are gay men and about 3% are drug users. Giving you a hetrosexual transmisson rate in this county of about 7%, which is F**K all. about 6 per Million.

Who's scaremongering? I've just presented some stats and then only in relation to two diseases of many and I've certainly not made any reference or inference in terms of homosexual/heterosexual.

I'm also aware that the Government is keen to play down any connection between immigration and increased infection but the stats are clearly causing concern.

The figures showing what are sometimes dramatic increases are real and I really see no sense whatsoever in Great Britain seeking to take on a case load beyond levels where it can cope either physically or economically when there's no reason why other countries shouldn't take responsibility for their own and have help in doing so if necessary.

They won't get so much help of course if half their doctors and nurses are being recruited to work over here mind yet they are doing just that because they'd cope even less well otherwise. In other words we're making problems out of problems.

[Thracian]

why dont you make the same level of fuss over people killed by british nationals?

that there lies YOUR problem.

I've already referred to the Yorkshire Ripper again today and did so last week. I also out spoke strongly against the British Police killing De Menezes on the London Underground. And right from the off I said the War in Iraq was illegal, unjustified and totally indefensible. Is that not loud enough for you it's you that's got the problem.

[l444ry]

Escaped Immigrants to destroy climate, claims Daily Rag

Reports have been confirmed that a number of immigrants have escaped from Oakington Immigration Centre in Longstanton, Cambridgeshire. The men, assumed to be communist by authorities, escaped under the cover of darkness last night.

The Daily Rag has issued severe warnings to all its readers to stay indoors and keep their Range Rovers hidden in the garage. The newspaper's initial report suggested that the escapees were likely to be dangerous.

"Our sources have told us that these filthy foreigners are probably fifteen foot tall and have hunting knives for fingers. If your children look directly at them, gouge their eyes out immediately." reported The Rag's news editor Malcolm Tunbrigde-Wellington. "We also fear that they are responsible for the recent bad weather, and if any more of these gibberish-speaking villains are to step foot on our sacred Britain, the outcome could be irreversible."

Scientists are yet to confirm that the Gulf Stream is being destroyed by giant blade-wielding, mutant foreigners, but in another Daily Rag report it was quoted that "to think otherwise is an insult to the memory of Diana."

[lookwhaticando]

e) What's he got against window cleaners?

[Manwell Pablo]

Who's scaremongering? I've just presented some stats and then only in relation to two diseases of many and I've certainly not made any reference or inference in terms of homosexual/heterosexual.

I'm also aware that the Government is keen to play down any connection between immigration and increased infection but the stats are clearly causing concern, the what are sometimes dramatic increases are real and I really see no sense whatsoever in Great Britain seeking to be take on a case load beyond levels where it can cope either physically or economically when there's no reason why other countries shouldn't take responsibility for their own and have help in doing so if necessary.

They won't get so much help of course if half their doctors and nurses are being recruited to work over here mind yet they are doing just that because they'd cope even less well otherwise. In other words we're making problems out of problems.

Having worked for the NHS for 7 months now in data analysis I can tell you have absloutley no idea what your talking about and therefore should shut up.

Au Reviour.

[Thracian]

Having worked for the NHS for 7 months now in data analysis I can tell you have absloutley no idea what your talking about and therefore should shut up.

Au Reviour.

Seven months? A liftime!

As for being an NHS analyst in denial let me help you understand some of the massive changes that have taken place in our society these last few years and the concerns that many people have for the health of our nation.

http://www.nursingtimes.net/news/breakingn...e_in_cases.html

And don't you wish it stopped there:

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/health/Health-47.html

Celibrate points out::

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In the 1970s, only two STIs were common, and both were curable.

Now as many as 25 STIs have been identified, and several are incurable, including human papilloma virus (HPV), human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) and genital herpes. No drugs can cure these diseases. Contrary to popular belief, HPV, syphilis and genital herpes can be transmitted by skin-to-skin contact, and condoms provide very little protection.

Every year in the UK alone, over 700,000 new STI cases are diagnosed (and that figure only includes those seen at GUM clinics – the real figure is undoubtedly much higher!)

Latest figures show that someone is diagnosed with an STI every 15 seconds and children as young as eleven are contracting gonorrhoea, genital warts and other STIs in increasing numbers.

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Perhaps you need to look a bit closer at the data available to you before you tell me to shut up.

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[Zingari]

i don't think anyone will ever make you shut up Thracian

and a bloody good thing too , the world needs questioners

[Thracian]

i don't think anyone will ever make you shut up Thracian

and a bloody good thing too , the world needs questioners

Thanks.

My main wish is to get people to think about some of the bullshit they are brainwashed into believing and to stop them being so easily led before they've had the chance to see the consequences of what they so passionately want to believe in.

If it makes a few people uncomfortable it won't hurt them. It's their kids who will have to live with the various consequences.

[Zingari]

Thanks.

My main wish is to get people to think about some of the bullshit they are brainwashed into believing and to stop them being so easily led before they've had the chance to see the consequences of what they so passionately want to believe in.

If it makes a few people uncomfortable it won't hurt them. It's their kids who will have to live with the various consequences.

yes indeed ; it seems the tables have been turned in the last few years ,

it used to be angry young men railing against the ills of society but they all seem smugly content to believe any shit they are fed so long as it's from a broadsheet

keep up the good work

[Ultra]

Escaped Immigrants to destroy climate, claims Daily Rag

Scientists are yet to confirm that the Gulf Stream is being destroyed by giant blade-wielding, mutant foreigners, but in another Daily Rag report it was quoted that "to think otherwise is an insult to the memory of DianaJade."

[Manwell Pablo]

Your're an idioit at times Tony. I don't ever remember claiming STI's weren't on the rise. And I notice you dodge the statistics a threw at you completley like you do every time throws you an arguement you can't come back on.

So your little rant is either completly off topic and useless, unless your claiming immigration is responisble for the rise in STI cases in great Britain, if so I will again remind you that you don't know what your talking about, and tell you to shut up. As I know for a full blown fact that they aren't.

EDIT: And I don't ever accuse me of being brainwashed when your the one quoting 50 articles from the media a minute that are purpously put out there to scare people as part of the soloution to the problem.

[lookwhaticando]

But back to the important point...

What's he got against window cleaners?

[Ultra]

My main wish is to get people to think about some of the bullshit they are brainwashed into believing and to stop them being so easily led before they've had the chance to see the consequences of what they so passionately want to believe in.

If it makes a few people uncomfortable it won't hurt them. It's their kids who will have to live with the various consequences.

I can and will make exactly the same point - particularly towards those who appear convinced that a government led by David Cameron (or worse still, Nick Griffin) will somehow solve all Britain's current woes.

[Webbo]

I can and will make exactly the same point - particularly towards those who appear convinced that a government led by David Cameron (or worse still, Nick Griffin) will somehow solve all Britain's current woes.

Except that we don't need to read anything in a newspaper to see what a royal fvckup your lot are making of the country.