FAO BNP Voters (And BNP Haters)

[Edmund]

In a way, it a blessing in disguise to see the odd BNP councillor slip through the net so the who vote for them. pointed out at the beginning of the thread. They get to see first hand that the BNP stand for themselves and others with the same views, and fulfill the promises they offer while trying to get elected. If decent people can persuade voters about the BNP, then perhaps four years of a councillor will have them voting for the twunts again.

EDIT: Most importantly, I certainly want to see a single seat in Westminster sullied by the presence of a BNP MP.

I didn't know the who voted for the bnp.

[Ultra]

It's not good enough to stand by while your party spins lies and deceit, trying to spin blame onto the opposition (just as they do onto your party) playing out the same old pre-pubescent political game.

...which you are.

I'll leave the infantile stuff to those who think that 30000+ posts on a message board constitutes some kind of notable public achievement.

In the real world, some of us actually mobilise and organise opposition to the BNP, and will continue to do so.

[Thracian]

I'm not bigotted enough to believe everyone who isn't white should be sent back home to the country that started their genepool, for sure.

Neither am I but the only difference between the BNP and Labour when it comes to racism is that the BNP would seek to send immigrants home and the Labour Party would seek to see them take as many jobs from the indigenous population as they can get away with.

With the BNP, the policy is effectively theoretical while with Labour their anti-white policy has been practice for years now. Today the voters showed what they think of it and the rest of their nonsense.

Labour's slaughter at the polls wasn't just about expenses and the economy, it was about the indigenous white population saying they have had enough of being turned into second class citizens and having their country turned into a place they no longer recognise, a place run by a control freak and other assorted whackos and social meddlers who have held our nation up to such ridicule that even fruit picking is now considered too dangerous for our must-be-pampered and over-protected people.

Indeed it is a measure of the contempt in which the Labour Party is now held that two county council seats have been won by the BNP. I warned it would happen and it did and there will be further BNP successes in the European elections. And the trend will only change again when we get some sanity back into British politics.

[Finnegan]

And lo', the stupidity has arrived. I'm tired of your one post on racism.

If you really believe Labour are comparitively prejudiced to the BNP you're insane, there's no other word to describe you. I'm leaving you to Ultra and whoever else and I'm going to watch a film.

[Ultra]

Actually, the BNP won three seats out of a total of over two thousand.

While that's still three too many, I don't think they'll be breaking out into choruses of Tomorrow Belongs To Me any time soon.

The evidence of the local election results also suggests they'll miss out on seats in the European Parliament, unless their showing in Yorkshire and Greater London runs significantly above that in evidence elsewhere.

And as their supporters on Stormfront are glumly conceding, if they can't make headway during a time of economic turbulence and political chaos, when will they?

[Thracian]

Ignorance!

I've done a lot of work on the pros and cons of immigration, multiculturalism etc and whilst it's easy to think that immigration simply means less jobs for British people, this isn't really the case at all, or at least there are two sides to the argument.

Many migrants do shiv work in which the majority British people would refuse to do and plenty of migrants have better skills than some British people, so you really can't complain when we have better doctors etc in this country?

Also, a lot of people moan that job markets such as decorating have been taken over by immigrants just because of their cheaper labour, but again in reality, maybe they are just better at the job!?

I suggest you do some more study because it is obvious to anyone with their eyes open where so many jobs have gone.

And if the standard of ethnically British workers is or has fallen then it's high time we ended the benefits culture and improved our education programmes.

Because those 2.3 million EBW's (and rising) whose jobs have either gone or been taken by ethnically preferred applicants still need the means to earn their way. They have bills, families and, in many cases, nowhere else to go.

Labour's wonderful social experiment has no merit if we make life better for millions of immigrants but worse for millions of our pre-existing population.

And if, as you suggest, countries in, say, Africa are really producing better doctors than we produce in this country (a claim I'd like to see backed with some facts) then aren't those doctors badly needed in the countries they come from and aren't the other highly skilled and intelligent workers also required to help lift standards all round in their own land?

With the population of this country hurrying towards 70 million we should be well capable of training all the doctors and nurses we need. And people for most other jobs too and that includes so-called menial tasks. British people have done "menial" work for generations and would do again if it didn't pay them just as well to stay on benefit.

[Thracian]

And lo', the stupidity has arrived. I'm tired of your one post on racism.

If you really believe Labour are comparitively prejudiced to the BNP you're insane, there's no other word to describe you. I'm leaving you to Ultra and whoever else and I'm going to watch a film.

Why am I surprised? You browbeat others but keep your own head buried in the ground. The "comparison" is irrelevent. The BNP have no power. Nor are they likely to have much for the forseeable future. Labour's racism, and that is what it is, pure and simple despite the protests, has been established and ongoing for years because they do have power. And if Harriet Harman has her way there'll be rampant sexism too.

[Ultra]

Why am I surprised? You browbeat others but keep your own head buried in the ground. The "comparison" is irrelevent. The BNP have no power. Nor are they likely to have much for the forseeable future. Labour's racism, and that is what it is, pure and simple despite the protests, has been established and ongoing for years because they do have power. And if Harriet Harman has her way there'll be rampant sexism too.

Well if you claim to know more about this than I do, (and I've had links with the party which date back decades) perhaps you'll give us some examples.

[Edmund]

while with Labour their anti-white policy has been practice for years now.

This I don't get. So Gordon Brown and the majority of the white labour mp's are anti themselves.

[Edmund]

perhaps you'll give us some examples.

Thracian races over to www.yahoo.co.uk

[Ultra]

I suggest you do some more study because it is obvious to anyone with their eyes open where so many jobs have gone.

And if the standard of ethnically British workers is or has fallen then it's high time we ended the benefits culture and improved our education programmes.

Because those 2.3 million EBW's (and rising) whose jobs have either gone or been taken by ethnically preferred applicants still need the means to earn their way. They have bills, families and, in many cases, nowhere else to go.

Labour's wonderful social experiment has no merit if we make life better for millions of immigrants but worse for millions of our pre-existing population.

It's not only the government's action. Many private companies make decisions on the hiring of personnel based on aptitude rather than nationality. As a result, they choose to recruit from overseas. The football industry is a prime example.

If you're so concerned about the wellbeing of British workers and feel that the preference for overseas "ethnically preferred" candidates offends you, would you argue for Alex Tunchev or Max Gradel to be deported back to their countries of origin?

[Red Leicester]

I'll leave the infantile stuff to those who think that 30000+ posts on a message board constitutes some kind of notable public achievement.

In the real world, some of us actually mobilise and organise opposition to the BNP, and will continue to do so.

And there we go again - politician refusing to deal with an issue and trying to use slight of hand and insults to avoid confronting reality. Whatever the heck posts on an internet forum have to do with anything, or whatever constitutes "infantile stuff", is beyond me.

In another thread in General Chat it states that you are a Labour Councillor - why don't you attempt to respond to points made to you rather than practising the pathetic games which have so disenfranchised voters across the land? You don't "mobilise and organise opposition to the BNP", you campaign to promote the Labour party. You oppose anyone who opposes your self-interests - and it just so happens that the BNP (as woeful as we both may find them) happen to be standing against your party.

Worse: the manner you responded to my last post is symptomatic of the way in which all politicians now deal with criticism - first, belittle - then resort to abuse or character assassination.

Infantile? I hold no store in the amount of rubbish someone can fill an internet forum with. You appear to, otherwise I see no reason for your comment. How strange that a politician should value worthless words over actual deeds.

[Unit]

just a quick question, i live in leicester and voted yesterday for the EU elections, how come my girlfriend got to vote for a local person? and so did my mate (both live in villages) why didn't i get this local stuff?

[Thracian]

Well if you claim to know more about this than I do, (and I've had links with the party which date back decades) perhaps you'll give us some examples.

I've already mentioned examples on countless occasions. The "positive" discrimination in relation to the West Midlands police forces is the latest and there have been endless examples of so-called "positive" discrimination which is wonderfully positive for the beneficiaries but not positive at all to the indigenous people who miss out.

You are nearly as old as me. Take any photograph of any major workforce in any City in 1960. Look at that same workforce in 1980 and now in 2009. Once there was steady change but now it is dramatic. There are far more people from immigrant stock working in our hospitals, our schools, our factories and our police forces/fire brigades than ever before.

Fine if the dole queues didn't wind on endlessly but they do.

For every immigrant who gets a job there's a fair chance a white British native won't get one because that dole queue is getting longer and longer as it happens.

It's just that you point blank refuse to see it nor does your party do anything about the misery you've caused with ill-conceived policies and social engineering which have caused even heartland Labour people to desert you.

The ethnic make-up of our schools has changed dramatically too and the population seems to be rising at such a rate that there seems little chance that the jobs market will have any chance of keeping pace.

Your Party just doesn't seem to care and even after being hammered in the polls and I've heard nothing to suggest they feel guilty or have any intentions of changing course.

And that goes especially for the leader no-one wants.

[Thracian]

It's not only the government's action. Many private companies make decisions on the hiring of personnel based on aptitude rather than nationality. As a result, they choose to recruit from overseas. The football industry is a prime example.

If you're so concerned about the wellbeing of British workers and feel that the preference for overseas "ethnically preferred" candidates offends you, would you argue for Alex Tunchev or Max Gradel to be deported back to their countries of origin?

Oh come on! Companies have directives from government. They are made aware of policy whether to do with ethnicity, sex or age.

The positive discrimination I've mentioned is fact, not theory. Examples of it are endless.

I've NEVER argued for any lawbiding legal resident of this country to be sent back anywhere but as you raise the example of football I definitely think the influx of so many immigrant players is having a detrimental effect on the development of native talent.

Indeed I have said on many occasions that I would like to see a limit placed on the number of non-native players allowed in any team to ensure that the development of our national players is not stifled.

You know and I know that the football authorities are concerned about this and have only recently made some changes designed to improve the situation. But they are limited in what they can do legally and the changes don't go nearly far enough.

Given, say, a maximum of three foreigners per team both Tunchev and Gradel would survive.

[Thracian]

This I don't get. So Gordon Brown and the majority of the white labour mp's are anti themselves.

The effect of Labour policy has certainly been anti many of the so-called working class people they have traditionally represented, as the latest polls indicate. As for the idea that those policies might rebound on themselves as MPs, time will tell, I'm sure.

[Finnegan]

Why am I surprised? You browbeat others but keep your own head buried in the ground. The "comparison" is irrelevent. The BNP have no power. Nor are they likely to have much for the forseeable future. Labour's racism, and that is what it is, pure and simple despite the protests, has been established and ongoing for years because they do have power. And if Harriet Harman has her way there'll be rampant sexism too.

My head isn't in the sand and yes the comparison is irrelevant. Why? Because we weren't talking about perceived institutionalized racism that you have no evidence to support other than what you've witnessed "down t'Market."

We were having a discussion about the rise of Britain's premiere Fascist party, fuelled by the ignorance and apathy of the youth.

But oh no, no, no. That wasn't good enough for Tony. Tony had nothing to contribute to that argument, Tony had nothing relevant to say about the week's elections so instead he wades in and turns yet another thread seven thousand miles off topic so that he can (for, let's be fair, about the seven billionth time in the last six months) turn a thread into some thinly veiled whinge about how Britannia's ethnic inhabitants are being conned out of their divine right to be lazy and still get work by the evil powers of The Socialist Left.

Nevermind the fact that this is the furthest right a Labour government has been in decades.

You're a one-track-record, Thracian. A two-bit hack that rehashes tabloid sensationalism in his own trundling prose to preach to a choir that's singing from a different damn page. Hell, a different damn songbook.

[Mort]

just a quick question, i live in leicester and voted yesterday for the EU elections, how come my girlfriend got to vote for a local person? and so did my mate (both live in villages) why didn't i get this local stuff?

Was County Council elections in Leicestershire, the last elections for the county were in 2005 - the city voted in 2007, so the next vote is 2011.

[Mort]

As much as I dislike and disagree with the Tories, I wish they would won Coalville, it may only be one seat but it's a pretty disastrous result that BNP got so many votes there.

Did our best, Coalville was somwhere we hadnt worked properly until six months ago and i spent most of thursday knocking on doors and dragging our supporters out to vote - four weeks ago we might have done it, but the last few weeks have played right into the BNP's hands... still the BNP were hoping for more and we beat them by nearly 500 in Whitwick and very convincingly in Measham.

[stez]

...which you are.

It's not good enough to stand idly by on the sidelines, any more than it was 65 years ago.

bless you, you really need to make sure you're facts are correct though. out of the 5 people eligible to vote at work, i'm the only person who did (not for the BNP, as anyone who reads my posts would be able to figure out). and i take my right vote very seriously.

i still don't see how spoiling the ballot is allowing the BNP in?

[MC Prussian]

Finners reminds me of me - a couple of years ago.

Let it go.

In the end, all that you can claim to know is that you know nothing at all.

[Guest]

Thrac, you talk about people coming in and stealing our jobs, but do you have any first hand experience of this, or is it something that you read on Yahoo? I do have first hand experience of the manufacturing industry in this country. I used to work for a manufacturing firm in this country. Despite what you say, when I joined the company in the early 1990s, the workforce was very much mixed. The firm was proud that many of its employees had been with the company for over 15 years, many for over 2 years. At least half of these workers were from minority backgrounds, so your assertion that immigrant workforces are a recent phenomenon is a recent issue is wrong.

The real problems arose about 9-10 years ago, when a lot of workers started to retire. The company found it difficult to find people who were prepared to work on the factory shop floor and yet had the necessary basic intelligence to handle what is actually quite a technical role. You see, the indigenous population now believe that working in factories is demeaning. This meant that the company could not fill vacancies they had because the candidates who did come in for interview were not capable of doing the job, and those who were did not last long when they did join the company because they either wanted a job that paid more, or didn't want to work shifts. Some were just bone idle feckers who turned up until their probationary period ended, and then abused the sickness policy.

When the Poles and Czechs started to come to the UK to look for work, it was a godsend for the company, as finally they were able to replace experienced employees with young eager workers, who had the required skill and intelligence to do the job, and were prepared to work. In my role, I would visit suppliers' factories across the UK and Europe, and all had the same problems, and all these companies were turning to Eastern European immigrants to fill their labour shortages for the same reasons. I can honestly say that had my former employers not used foreign workers, the company would have shut down, yet I am sure that you would happily blame the demise of a wholly British manufacturing company on the one thing that actually saved it.

Incredible.

[Guest Bilo]

Thrac, you talk about people coming in and stealing our jobs, but do you have any first hand experience of this, or is it something that you read on Yahoo? I do have first hand experience of the manufacturing industry in this country. I used to work for a manufacturing firm in this country. Despite what you say, when I joined the company in the early 1990s, the workforce was very much mixed. The firm was proud that many of its employees had been with the company for over 15 years, many for over 2 years. At least half of these workers were from minority backgrounds, so your assertion that immigrant workforces are a recent phenomenon is a recent issue is wrong.

The real problems arose about 9-10 years ago, when a lot of workers started to retire. The company found it difficult to find people who were prepared to work on the factory shop floor and yet had the necessary basic intelligence to handle what is actually quite a technical role. You see, the indigenous population now believe that working in factories is demeaning. This meant that the company could not fill vacancies they had because the candidates who did come in for interview were not capable of doing the job, and those who were did not last long when they did join the company because they either wanted a job that paid more, or didn't want to work shifts. Some were just bone idle feckers who turned up until their probationary period ended, and then abused the sickness policy.

When the Poles and Czechs started to come to the UK to look for work, it was a godsend for the company, as finally they were able to replace experienced employees with young eager workers, who had the required skill and intelligence to do the job, and were prepared to work. In my role, I would visit suppliers' factories across the UK and Europe, and all had the same problems, and all these companies were turning to Eastern European immigrants to fill their labour shortages for the same reasons. I can honestly say that had my former employers not used foreign workers, the company would have shut down, yet I am sure that you would happily blame the demise of a wholly British manufacturing company on the one thing that actually saved it.

Incredible.

This has been my view on the situation purely because a very similar thing has happened here in Lincolnshire. As you will doubtless be aware, Lincolnshire's economy depends heavily on agriculture. For years, there has been a real problem in attracting local workers to work on the land as many have the same attitude towards such work as they do towards factory work, it is considered demeaning, unskilled and unattractive. Many young people in Lincolnshire have gone through the same stages, school, university and graduation.

The problem is that a great number of people who go through those stages never return to Lincolnshire, seeking greater opportunities in bigger cities. Those who don't go through those stages prefer to work in the towns of Lincolnshire, whether in offices or shops though, the attitude towards landwork is the same. It isn't just landwork either, tourism has long had a recruitment problem. Butlins in Skegness was for many years short-staffed due to the reluctance of many locals to take up employment in the resort, having a knock-on effect on service within and therefore the numbers of people visiting Butlins and Skegness as a whole suffered similar adverse effects.

That means that two major components of the local economy were affected by recruitment and staffing problems.

Since the expansion of the EU in 2004 however, these problems have been largely remedied. Poles, Czechs and Estonians have readily snapped up the plentiful, secure employment on offer (particularly at Butlins, where accommodation is available for staff) and the local economy has benefited from this. The overwhelming majority of immigrants are in work and contributing to the economy.

My point is therefore that immigration has been to the benefit of Lincolnshire and its population. The Eastern Europeans who have arrived in the county to work have not stolen anybody's jobs, they've simply filled long-existing gaps in the labour market. Nevertheless, it appears that it's all too easy for some to 'blame the immigrants' when they happen to be working, and indigenous English people aren't, conveniently forgetting that the immigrants are actually doing the kind of jobs that indigenous workers have long shunned, to the detriment of their own community.

[Jay]

This has been my view on the situation purely because a very similar thing has happened here in Lincolnshire. As you will doubtless be aware, Lincolnshire's economy depends heavily on agriculture. For years, there has been a real problem in attracting local workers to work on the land as many have the same attitude towards such work as they do towards factory work, it is considered demeaning, unskilled and unattractive. Many young people in Lincolnshire have gone through the same stages, school, university and graduation.

The problem is that a great number of people who go through those stages never return to Lincolnshire, seeking greater opportunities in bigger cities. Those who don't go through those stages prefer to work in the towns of Lincolnshire, whether in offices or shops though, the attitude towards landwork is the same. It isn't just landwork either, tourism has long had a recruitment problem. Butlins in Skegness was for many years short-staffed due to the reluctance of many locals to take up employment in the resort, having a knock-on effect on service within and therefore the numbers of people visiting Butlins and Skegness as a whole suffered similar adverse effects.

That means that two major components of the local economy were affected by recruitment and staffing problems.

Since the expansion of the EU in 2004 however, these problems have been largely remedied. Poles, Czechs and Estonians have readily snapped up the plentiful, secure employment on offer (particularly at Butlins, where accommodation is available for staff) and the local economy has benefited from this. The overwhelming majority of immigrants are in work and contributing to the economy.

My point is therefore that immigration has been to the benefit of Lincolnshire and its population. The Eastern Europeans who have arrived in the county to work have not stolen anybody's jobs, they've simply filled long-existing gaps in the labour market. Nevertheless, it appears that it's all too easy for some to 'blame the immigrants' when they happen to be working, and indigenous English people aren't, conveniently forgetting that the immigrants are actually doing the kind of jobs that indigenous workers have long shunned, to the detriment of their own community.

as a fellow Lincolnshire citizen I have to say that's a pretty accurate post!!

The majority of people I know in Grantham that moan about foreigners taking jobs are the same people that turn down the offer of work to sit on their backsides complaining claiming benefits for years on end!!

I know someone who is like 25 years old and hasn't worked a day pretty much since he left school and laughs at people who bother to work he just keeps getting signed off for Stress!! his family takes in more money a month in benefits and has more disposable income than other families I know where both adults work. These are the sort of people that complain about "foreigners" yet make little or no effort at all the get a job and contribute anything to society

Grantham has a large amount of Polish who work in nearby factories and work hard they pay taxes and contribute to society many set up their own businesses shops, cafes, hand car washes etc all providing a benefit to society.

I have no problem at all with anybody that wants to contribute to society the way some of these people do

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Thrac, you talk about people coming in and stealing our jobs, but do you have any first hand experience of this, or is it something that you read on Yahoo? I do have first hand experience of the manufacturing industry in this country. I used to work for a manufacturing firm in this country. Despite what you say, when I joined the company in the early 1990s, the workforce was very much mixed. The firm was proud that many of its employees had been with the company for over 15 years, many for over 2 years. At least half of these workers were from minority backgrounds, so your assertion that immigrant workforces are a recent phenomenon is a recent issue is wrong.

The real problems arose about 9-10 years ago, when a lot of workers started to retire. The company found it difficult to find people who were prepared to work on the factory shop floor and yet had the necessary basic intelligence to handle what is actually quite a technical role. You see, the indigenous population now believe that working in factories is demeaning. This meant that the company could not fill vacancies they had because the candidates who did come in for interview were not capable of doing the job, and those who were did not last long when they did join the company because they either wanted a job that paid more, or didn't want to work shifts. Some were just bone idle feckers who turned up until their probationary period ended, and then abused the sickness policy.

When the Poles and Czechs started to come to the UK to look for work, it was a godsend for the company, as finally they were able to replace experienced employees with young eager workers, who had the required skill and intelligence to do the job, and were prepared to work. In my role, I would visit suppliers' factories across the UK and Europe, and all had the same problems, and all these companies were turning to Eastern European immigrants to fill their labour shortages for the same reasons. I can honestly say that had my former employers not used foreign workers, the company would have shut down, yet I am sure that you would happily blame the demise of a wholly British manufacturing company on the one thing that actually saved it.

Incredible.

A very good point well made, a lot of people don't realise that Blair managed to keep inflation so low during his time was immigration, who made more cheap labour and help this country to grow economically, but if these daily mail and yahoo readers believed that it would spoil their fun.