FAO BNP Voters (And BNP Haters)

[Red Leicester]

Thrac, you talk about people coming in and stealing our jobs

[Uncle Albert]

So BNP won in Coalville? Jesus christ.

Does anyone know who won in the Charnwood area?

[Red Leicester]

Jesus christ.

[Webbo]

BNP got over 600 votes over here and came in 2nd in the locals, actually quite worried by this.

Tbf there were only 3 parties on the ballot paper in Syston Labour , Tory and BNP. The BNP only beat Labour which says more about their unpopularity than the BNP's popularity.

[Uncle Albert]

Tbf there were only 3 parties on the ballot paper in Syston Labour , Tory and BNP. The BNP only beat Labour which says more about their unpopularity than the BNP's popularity.

Then surely they should of voted for Conservative if it was down to Labour's unpopularity?

The fact there is that people still opted to vote for BNP over two other parties and its quite worrying.

[Webbo]

Then surely they should of voted for Conservative if it was down to Labour's unpopularity?

The fact there is that people still opted to vote for BNP over two other parties and its quite worrying.

There are lots of people in this country who would rather vote for Ian Huntley than a Tory.

[Uncle Albert]

There are lots of people in this country who would rather vote for Ian Huntley than a Tory.

[coale39]

There are lots of people in this country who would rather vote for the BNP than a Tory.

[Mort]

So BNP won in Coalville? Jesus christ.

Does anyone know who won in the Charnwood area?

Labour's best area with Tories underperforming (which on a very petty level I was pretty happy about), Labour held Loughborough East, Loughborough North and Loughborough North West - Labour's only other County seat is now Braunstone Town).

The LibDems did well with a good share of the vote in many of the divisions and managed to hang on in Glenfield - BNP fell well short all over the shop.

[Thracian]

My head isn't in the sand and yes the comparison is irrelevant. Why? Because we weren't talking about perceived institutionalized racism that you have no evidence to support other than what you've witnessed "down t'Market."

We were having a discussion about the rise of Britain's premiere Fascist party, fuelled by the ignorance and apathy of the youth.

But oh no, no, no. That wasn't good enough for Tony. Tony had nothing to contribute to that argument, Tony had nothing relevant to say about the week's elections so instead he wades in and turns yet another thread seven thousand miles off topic so that he can (for, let's be fair, about the seven billionth time in the last six months) turn a thread into some thinly veiled whinge about how Britannia's ethnic inhabitants are being conned out of their divine right to be lazy and still get work by the evil powers of The Socialist Left.

Nevermind the fact that this is the furthest right a Labour government has been in decades.

You're a one-track-record, Thracian. A two-bit hack that rehashes tabloid sensationalism in his own trundling prose to preach to a choir that's singing from a different damn page. Hell, a different damn songbook.

As expected, not one word denouncing Labour's blatant racism which is as pronounced as it is all but totally unavoidable by all but the smallest companies.

You even pretend there is no evidence when I have detailed it many times. So-called "positive discrimination" may be a glib phrase but it is still a phrase which could be defined in any dictionary as "blatant racism" whether you choose to pretent otherwise or not.

Denial, denial, denial it seems to be a required quality of modern-day socialists or a quality that is somehow transferred into their subconscious by the idealist literature they read and listen to.

The election result in Coalville is glaring testimony to the truth of what I say and the reaction to it. Coalville was once a socialist heartland. People there would have sooner drunk piss than vote for any party other than Labour. People so "lazy" they used to go down coal mines for a living.

They've voted for change because they feel abandoned, devalued and cheated. And when I warned about it and about the rise of the BNP, socialists on here said I was talking nonsense and that the BNP was totally inconsequential and had no chance of winning seats.

Well seats have been won, three of them, just as the sharia courts I also "nonsensically" anticipated have also become established, and even here in Leicestershire.

There is, I suppose, none so blind, not as those who cannot see, but those who will not see.

[stez]

So BNP won in Coalville? Jesus christ.

Does anyone know who won in the Charnwood area?

leicestershire map

i hope the link works my pc is being silly.

[Thracian]

Thrac, you talk about people coming in and stealing our jobs, but do you have any first hand experience of this, or is it something that you read on Yahoo? I do have first hand experience of the manufacturing industry in this country. I used to work for a manufacturing firm in this country. Despite what you say, when I joined the company in the early 1990s, the workforce was very much mixed. The firm was proud that many of its employees had been with the company for over 15 years, many for over 2 years. At least half of these workers were from minority backgrounds, so your assertion that immigrant workforces are a recent phenomenon is a recent issue is wrong.

The real problems arose about 9-10 years ago, when a lot of workers started to retire. The company found it difficult to find people who were prepared to work on the factory shop floor and yet had the necessary basic intelligence to handle what is actually quite a technical role. You see, the indigenous population now believe that working in factories is demeaning. This meant that the company could not fill vacancies they had because the candidates who did come in for interview were not capable of doing the job, and those who were did not last long when they did join the company because they either wanted a job that paid more, or didn't want to work shifts. Some were just bone idle feckers who turned up until their probationary period ended, and then abused the sickness policy.

When the Poles and Czechs started to come to the UK to look for work, it was a godsend for the company, as finally they were able to replace experienced employees with young eager workers, who had the required skill and intelligence to do the job, and were prepared to work. In my role, I would visit suppliers' factories across the UK and Europe, and all had the same problems, and all these companies were turning to Eastern European immigrants to fill their labour shortages for the same reasons. I can honestly say that had my former employers not used foreign workers, the company would have shut down, yet I am sure that you would happily blame the demise of a wholly British manufacturing company on the one thing that actually saved it.

Incredible.

I'm "incredible"?

Years of misguided socialist dogma have brought us to the point where it is not even considered safe for us to pick fruit and you act surprised that our indigenous population is failing to compete, cos that's what it amounts to.

And that is what the people of this country will have to do to restore their self-worth and their confidence and they won't do it while any vestige of modern-brand socialism remains.

This country is beholden to the insurers. There are myriad problems even before a schoolmaster can take his class out for a week's adventuring nowadays.

British kids are told it might be psychologically damaging for them to practice anything for more than an hour a day when any sane person knows it takes far more than an hour a day to be any good at anything.

For years competition has been stifled in schools and then you wonder why immigrants come in with greater skills and greater determination and step in to do our available jobs better than we do. If that's not a condemnation of long term labour government I don't know what is.

I have never said or thought that incomers "steal" our jobs. The opportunities are presented to them and they take due advantage. Individually I don't blame them at all but that doesn't help occupy our indigenous population, quite the contrary.

I have no animosity towards ethnic workers whatsoever whether they be Poles, Czechs, Nigerians, Indians or whatever. I simply see no benefit in bringing more people in to work when approaching 3m people already here (and all plainly not retired) don't have a job and are costing this country a fortune.

You suggest that those 3m don't work because they won't work and in some cases you may be right. It might also be that some don't see much point because their welfare payments plus whatever moonlighting they can do means they'll be no worse off in employment anyway.

How casually you say that the indigenous people find working in factories "demeaning".

Those employees returning to their shift work at Honda didn't convey the impression that they found their work demeaning - more that they were glad to get back doing something useful with their mates. But I don't say you're entirely wrong.

However I believe that reactions like that, even when true, can be easily changed. Hell the socialists just love manipulating people's thinking. It wouldn't even be a challenge were the will there.

It is only the emphasis we give to class consciousness which even allows thoughts that some jobs are demeaning to fester.

That and the availability of welfare which is fine when it is desperately and unavoidably needed but should never be a substitute for work. Indeed, there should be no encouragement, financially or socially, for it to be so.

As for the lack of skills/intelligence you mention are you honestly saying we are unable to run an education system which not only provides the intelligence and skills necessary for our people to be useful but also te desire to use those skills?

This country used to abound with skilled workers. Apprenticeships lasted seven hard years. Pride in the job was ingrained just like the idea of competing was an everyday part of school life. Not standing aside and being walked over.

You extol the virtues of foreign workers but what you're really doing is condemning the system by which we as a nation cannot properly look after ourselves and do our own jobs.

[Red Leicester]

And when I warned about...

[l444ry]

England To Set Up Border Fences And Patrols To Stop Immigrants From Scotland Reaching London To Beg

The UK Government has announced plans to set up a border fence to run parallel with the ancient Roman wall built by Adrian Mole and have armed border guards to patrol it to deter illegal Scottish Immigrants reaching London Tube Stations.

"Everyday I walk to work and I am accosted by these drunken scruffy Scotsmen wreaking of McEwan's and talking in tongues - well no more!" said racist Labour Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

Many Scots try to infiltrate the border looking to take our jobs, for a healthier diet, better looking women and to seek better (state provided) housing.

"They are our Mexicans!" screamed one man, which was totally unnecessary, as I was lying next to him on the beach.

Plans to build a fence separating England from Wales are also being discussed.

"They are just as bad," said shopkeeper Aziz Khan of Luton - "They are always taking the mickey out of my accent."

[Thracian]

A very good point well made, a lot of people don't realise that Blair managed to keep inflation so low during his time was immigration, who made more cheap labour and help this country to grow economically, but if these daily mail and yahoo readers believed that it would spoil their fun.

Grow economically? An economy can be as big as you want to make it but that doesn't mean it is functioning properly.

Our debt has never been greater. It is continuing to grow and is already greater than that which is considered soundly creditworthy by the world bank.

Our population is rising towards the 70 million many think is the most we can sensibly sustain and our dole queues are getting steadily longer. Do you somehow see the tax take increasing when people and companies are already steeped in debt themselves? Cos I don't. Not without major change.

[coale39]

I'm "incredible"?

Years of misguided socialist dogma have brought us to the point where it is not even considered safe for us to pick fruit and you act surprised that our indigenous population is failing to compete, cos that's what it amounts to.

And that is what the people of this country will have to do to restore their self-worth and their confidence and they won't do it while any vestige of modern-brand socialism remains.

This country is beholden to the insurers. There are myriad problems even before a schoolmaster can take his class out for a week's adventuring nowadays.

British kids are told it might be psychologically damaging for them to practice anything for more than an hour a day when any sane person knows it takes far more than an hour a day to be any good at anything.

For years competition has been stifled in schools and then you wonder why immigrants come in with greater skills and greater determination and step in to do our available jobs better than we do. If that's not a condemnation of long term labour government I don't know what is.

I have never said or thought that incomers "steal" our jobs. The opportunities are presented to them and they take due advantage. Individually I don't blame them at all but that doesn't help occupy our indigenous population, quite the contrary.

I have no animosity towards ethnic workers whatsoever whether they be Poles, Czechs, Nigerians, Indians or whatever. I simply see no benefit in bringing more people in to work when approaching 3m people already here (and all plainly not retired) don't have a job and are costing this country a fortune.

So surely the fact that business are employing the best people, not just 'home grown' people, benefits businesses and the economy as a whole? And that the problem isn't with immigration but with crappy schools?

[Red Leicester]

I can't fathom Thracian's incoherent posts at all so I'm just going to say something in favour of Europe instead:

[stez]

I can't fathom Thracian's incoherent posts at all so I'm just going to say something in favour of Europe instead:

she looks too much like christiano ronaldo, for my liking.

[Bluefoxtim]

I can't fathom Thracian's incoherent posts at all so I'm just going to say something in favour of Europe instead:

I'm sure there's one person who agrees with Thracian... Lev...oh no, he doesn't either.

[Red Leicester]

she looks too much like christiano ronaldo, for my liking.

Don't look at her face then - I for one don't have a clue who she looks like.

[StanSP]

Don't look at her face then - I for one don't have a clue who she looks like.

[Thracian]

So surely the fact that business are employing the best people, not just 'home grown' people, benefits businesses and the economy as a whole? And that the problem isn't with immigration but with crappy schools?

The recent banking crisis doesn't necessarily suggest that businesses are employing the best and if Harriet Harman has her way they'll all be changed soon to women bankers anyway - whether from here or abroad.

And just out of curiousity, if there's no problem with immigration (despite the claimed financial benefits being exposed last week as nonsense) what would you do about the 2.3 million (and rising) who are currently out of work if they are exposed to yet more competition for a still diminishing number of jobs?

[BlabyFox]

Firstly, Finners is a hero; he's saved me a lot of effort today whilst I've started to get pissed after finishing my first year!

Secondly, I believe that Politics should be a compulsory GCSE, there is too many ill-informed and completely uneducated young people around, and this board shows that.

You're 16. Do not talk about things that you do not understand, like economics and politics.

If you had actually bothered to research your point, you'd find that immigrants, such as the Polish are heading home because of the recession, and over a third of the U.K.'s Polish population are likely to leave over the next 12 months. Hooray for you, eh?

If you work hard at school, you'll get a job, no matter what race, colour or religion (although positive discrimnation can go overboard in some cases) you'll get what you deserve. Just don't go out blaming blacks or Asians for taking your jobs that you did nothing to earn.

And what makes you think that you, or 'teens like you' deserve a job more than immigrants? Prejudice, that's what.

I don't think mass immigration is beneficial to our company, it over stretches the economy and can result in economic disaster, but to say all imigration is not favourable for our economy is incredibly short-sighted and naive. The right level of immigration will boost our aggregate supply, bring down prices and will eventually boost our aggregate demand.

Even if that was true it's nothing to do with their skin colour. My mate Black Dan wouldn't suddenly decide 'Ohh fuck I'm black, better go rob someone today' and he sure as hell doesn't believe that rape without violence is 'okay'.

I was walking around North Manchester (Prestwich, Middleton and Simister in particular) to the Oasis gig last night and I was shocked. It was literally like I'd fallen into that film. Skinheads everywhere.

Oh Dear.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Grow economically? An economy can be as big as you want to make it but that doesn't mean it is functioning properly.

Our debt has never been greater. It is continuing to grow and is already greater than that which is considered soundly creditworthy by the world bank.

Our population is rising towards the 70 million many think is the most we can sensibly sustain and our dole queues are getting steadily longer. Do you somehow see the tax take increasing when people and companies are already steeped in debt themselves? Cos I don't. Not without major change.

If you hadn't noticed the world is in a massive financial crisis its not just us, yes labour has made mistakes and I think we need a general election, but I hate this argument that its all the governments fault. I would say around 75% of our problems are down to us, globablisation has meant that to use an appaling cliche that 'when the American president sneezes the world catches a cold'.

The government has made appaling errors, most of which aren't directly their fault, they've put too much trust in the 'market' and errors from individuals have made us suffer. Even if the government had made provisions not to protect the country, I have no doubts that we'd be in a mess anyway.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

The recent banking crisis doesn't necessarily suggest that businesses are employing the best and if Harriet Harman has her way they'll all be changed soon to women bankers anyway - whether from here or abroad.

And just out of curiousity, if there's no problem with immigration (despite the claimed financial benefits being exposed last week as nonsense) what would you do about the 2.3 million (and rising) who are currently out of work if they are exposed to yet more competition for a still diminishing number of jobs?

What nonsense did the mail come out with last week then?