Educate me (Tommy G)

[Guest]

I think this thread proves that some prejudices are more acceptable than others. Comparing all fat people to the thick dupes used on some TV programmes is like comparing all muslims to these preachers of hate we often see on the news.

Yes some fat people kid themselves on about why they're fat, but don't we all kid ourselves on at times?Fatties are a mixed bunch just the same as the rest of us, there are lots of overweight folks who are intelligent and good fun and a lot better company than some pain in the arse health fascist.

And there are some fat people who have normal blood pressure, normal cholesterol levels, exercise daily, and can run marathons. But they don't moan about their size and are happy with themselves. I am sick to death of hearing how obesity is everyone else's fault, and the way that the government is dealing with this is making that worse.

As for healthy food being more expensive, where on earth do people shop?

[Bryn]

And there are some fat people who have normal blood pressure, normal cholesterol levels, exercise daily, and can run marathons. But they don't moan about their size and are happy with themselves. I am sick to death of hearing how obesity is everyone else's fault, and the way that the government is dealing with this is making that worse.

As for healthy food being more expensive, where on earth do people shop?

I very, very rarely hear anyone with a weight problem genuinely blame everyone else. Won't argue with being disappointed with the Government but I don't think I've ever heard that in every day life, and if you've seen it on TV then well, surely you know better than to take that as your standard? The ones on telly are obviously gonna be the ones complaining because they evoke the response that makes the program entertaining, which is probably disgust or contempt in this case.

[Tommy G]

Just be careful of tarring everyone with the same brush. It's the same as anything else, you're writing off swathes of human beings and shooting them all with the "omfg go exercise and eat healthy" shite is harsh. It's not that simple, for a variety of reasons, not least the fact that some overweight people do genuinely look after themselves as much as anyone else, whilst holding down busy jobs or trying to otherwise undertake some time consuming and dedication-requiring task, and whilst trying not to bankrupt themselves with healthy food, AND whilst taking flak from all corners of society for something that probably has its roots in their childhood and comes with some fairly rough psychological issues.

I know as well as you all do that some people are quite content to just sit and expand and be lazy and do nothing about that, but that's not universal just as pretty much nothing is in our society.

How does Richard Branson stay slim? Possibly one of the busiest people in the world. It's all about choices and not making excuses

I dont buy the whole bollocks of 'fatty food is cheaper than healthier food'

How much is an apple or a banana in comparison to a bag of crisps? Its a lazy excuse

[Webbo]

And there are some fat people who have normal blood pressure, normal cholesterol levels, exercise daily, and can run marathons. But they don't moan about their size and are happy with themselves. I am sick to death of hearing how obesity is everyone else's fault, and the way that the government is dealing with this is making that worse.

As for healthy food being more expensive, where on earth do people shop?

But the fatties aren't the ones complaining on this thread.

As for the health food bit I agree with you.

[Guest]

I very, very rarely hear anyone with a weight problem genuinely blame everyone else. Won't argue with being disappointed with the Government but I don't think I've ever heard that in every day life, and if you've seen it on TV then well, surely you know better than to take that as your standard? The ones on telly are obviously gonna be the ones complaining because they evoke the response that makes the program entertaining, which is probably disgust or contempt in this case.

I have heard it from people that I know. Someone I know has blamed her parents for not feeding her properly, which is absurd as she is a good 8 stone heavier since she got married and moved out than when she was living at home. Another person I know has blamed her size on the doctor not allowing her to have a boob reduction on the NHS. At the end of the day, both are looking for excuses as neither of them likes exercise, and they both love their food.

[coale39]

TBH im glad I love to play sport. Dont know how unhealthy I would be if I didnt! (btw the burger I posted earlier does actually look tempting to me. Look at that cheese! )

[Dr The Singh]

I think there maybe a distinct difference with what's socially acceptable for the size of a person, and the health of an individual!!

For me, any person who induges beyond the norm on anything whether is be alchohol, drugs, food etc, has a problem and in many cases there are underlying problem and in many cases it comes down to upbringing and education, but in cases it's a personal issue and should be dealt as so.

On social perceptions, we see perfectly healthy, slightly larger then the norm, undertaking drastic measures to become acceptable, this is also wrong and is also unhealthy. Sometimes people are just meant to be alittle large and some don't mind it either!!

[Bryn]

I have heard it from people that I know. Someone I know has blamed her parents for not feeding her properly, which is absurd as she is a good 8 stone heavier since she got married and moved out than when she was living at home. Another person I know has blamed her size on the doctor not allowing her to have a boob reduction on the NHS. At the end of the day, both are looking for excuses as neither of them likes exercise, and they both love their food.

Fair enough, as long as you're not levying that attitude at every overweight person you've ever met, which is my main quarrel here.

I'll abandon the food price argument, I'm only going off the odd article I've seen and we tend to buy good food in anyway.

[coale39]

I think there maybe a distinct difference with what's socially acceptable for the size of a person, and the health of an individual!!

For me, any person who induges beyond the norm on anything whether is be alchohol, drugs, food etc, has a problem and in many cases there are underlying problem and in many cases it comes down to upbringing and education, but in cases it's a personal issue and should be dealt as so.

On social perceptions, we see perfectly healthy, slightly larger then the norm, undertaking drastic measures to become acceptable, this is also wrong and is also unhealthy. Sometimes people are just meant to be alittle large and some don't mind it either!!

I am with ya on that. You can have great fitness and have a few extra pounds.

[Wilkesy]

I agree with your view Tom.

I have just ate a load of food from Maryland, but have also played football 4 times this week, so i think im ok!

[Guest]

Fair enough, as long as you're not levying that attitude at every overweight person you've ever met, which is my main quarrel here.

I'll abandon the food price argument, I'm only going off the odd article I've seen and we tend to buy good food in anyway.

As I posted earlier, there are people who are clinically obese, but healthier in other respects. There was a TV programme about some, and one, an American doctor, ran several marathons a year, and in a pretty decent time, from what I can recall.

I also have friends who are obese, and are happy with themselves. This is fine.

My problem is with overweight people who moan about being overweight and expect something to be done for them, rather than them accepting responsibility and doing something about it themselves.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Having been off work for over eight months now, I find that I have put on well over a stone in weight. I am eating the same food as always. The answer as to why, is obviously lack of exercise.

One of the big issues I have is with the laziness of people. So many just jump in their cars to go to the shop round the corner to buy a paper etc. It seems that a large percentage of society seems to have forgotten what they have legs for.

The other big issue I have is with lazy parents stuffing their kids with junk food, because it's an easy option. Once the seed has been planted it becomes habitual with the child, as it grows into adulthood. Thus in many cases the art of cooking real food is lost, and many of todays young mothers couldn't boil an egg. The future looks grim, and is unlikely to change. Its effect upon the N.H.S. will will become an ever increasing burden.

I know one woman who lives in my road, who brags that she never uses her cooker. She has fast food delivered every evening, She is very overweight, and so are her two little girls. A very sad state of affairs.

I do have to say that ethnics tend to eat far more healthily, and generally know how to cook good food that has goodness and flavour.

I don't think that being obese is generally caused by greed, but by laziness.

[BoneDog]

My best mate has been overwieght since we were kids. He's now in his 30's and has never had to use the NHS for anything to do with his weight. He has also never moaned or blamed his weight on anything apart from the fact that we used to eat shitloads of pizza sandwiches when we were young. He plays football and is a wrestler He is one of the funniest most confident people I have ever met.

And if he heard the insult to his character that has been said in this thread it would be goodnight Vienna. DDT

You can't walk down the street and look down on a fat person, it's wrong. There are many reasons why someone is obese and it is no-one else's business in my opinion. Even if they are totally lazy and eat kebabs, 10p crisps and cake all day I don't care, they can do what they want

[BoneDog]

Having been off work for over eight months now, I find that I have put on well over a stone in weight. I am eating the same food as always. The answer as to why, is obviously lack of exercise.

One of the big issues I have is with the laziness of people. So many just jump in their cars to go to the shop round the corner to buy a paper etc. It seems that a large percentage of society seems to have forgotten what they have legs for.

The other big issue I have is with lazy parents stuffing their kids with junk food, because it's an easy option. Once the seed has been planted it becomes habitual with the child, as it grows into adulthood. Thus in many cases the art of cooking real food is lost, and many of todays young mothers couldn't boil an egg. The future looks grim, and is unlikely to change. Its effect upon the N.H.S. will will become an ever increasing burden.

I know one woman who lives in my road, who brags that she never uses her cooker. She has fast food delivered every evening, She is very overweight, and so are her two little girls. A very sad state of affairs.

I do have to say that ethnics tend to eat far more healthily, and generally know how to cook good food that has goodness and flavour.

I don't think that being obese is generally caused by greed, but by laziness.

This is the cause alot of the time. Parents cause their kids to be overweight and it is a hard thing to change when they get older for some.

[Webbo]

You can't walk down the street and look down on a fat person, it's wrong. There are many reasons why someone is obese and it is no-one else's business in my opinion. Even if they are totally lazy and eat kebabs, 10p crisps and cake all day I don't care, they can do what they want

[Tommy G]

You can't walk down the street and look down on a fat person, it's wrong. There are many reasons why someone is obese and it is no-one else's business in my opinion. Even if they are totally lazy and eat kebabs, 10p crisps and cake all day I don't care, they can do what they want

It becomes a problem for me if they need corrective surgery to deal with it. Give me one reason why I should pay for this ''if they have sat around and ate kebabs all day''

[Tilley]

Mmmm kebab.

Chicken doner kebab tonight I think.

[BoneDog]

It becomes a problem for me if they need corrective surgery to deal with it. Give me one reason why I should pay for this ''if they have sat around and ate kebabs all day''

You wouldn't pay for it. You might of chucked 10p max towards the operation. But even if they never had an operation you would still of paid your tax and the government would not of spent it on anything more useful to you.

I must admit I don't think anyone should get one of them gastric band things done on the NHS or any other crap like that. Only operations that are essential. A gastric band or stomach staple thing is just wrong and I don't agree one bit with those.

[Samilktray]

I just ate 3 Weetabix.

[Dr The Singh]

You wouldn't pay for it. You might of chucked 10p max towards the operation. But even if they never had an operation you would still of paid your tax and the government would not of spent it on anything more useful to you.

I must admit I don't think anyone should get one of them gastric band things done on the NHS or any other crap like that. Only operations that are essential. A gastric band or stomach staple thing is just wrong and I don't agree one bit with those.

Empty, it still doesn't make it right though, that money could be better spent......plus you've forgot, the diseases that come with obesity.....diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, and the list goes on.......................

[Tilley]

I just ate 3 Weetabix.

With or without sugar?

[Tabou]

With or without sugar?

I don't need sugar. I'm sweet enough

Got your facespace add. I was 99% sure who you were.... you worked at the co-op when I did my infamous 2 weeks there. haha.

[Samilktray]

With sugar Domnik.

[Smudge]

It becomes a problem for me if they need corrective surgery to deal with it. Give me one reason why I should pay for this ''if they have sat around and ate kebabs all day''

Yeah!!! Smokers, car wreckers, sportsmen.............they can all feck off.

All self induced injury or health problem patients should pay for themselves. Y'all be careful out there

[Bryn]

It becomes a problem for me if they need corrective surgery to deal with it. Give me one reason why I should pay for this ''if they have sat around and ate kebabs all day''

How many people do you genuinely believe actually do that?