Scientology [Incoming El Empty Religious Rant.]

[Samilktray]

You mean they dont just worship aliens?

Maybe I havent found a religion I can believe in then

[BoneDog]

Christians

If my church was like that I'd be there 7 nights a week. That womans feet and arms at 0.35 Dude sprinting round the Pews at 2.15 and the two Grandads sitting there watchin And I've nicked that dance at 2.37 and do it regular for a laugh especially the 'hands on groin' bit ! Lovely stuff.

GQ is still one of the best Jungle mc's, knows how to kick in the rush at a rave with his timing and buzz lyrics

I need to have a beer with you 1 day.

When I in Leicester for a few spare hours I'll come and get steamed down your local for a bit

[MC Prussian]

No religion or cult can be excempt from criticism and/or parody.

[The Doctor]

Scientologists are all either ignorant or evil. People who find scientology more amusing than disturbing are mislead and people that don't think scientology's a problem are ill informed.

Seriously fucked up, corrupt organization.

bollocks. There's got to be some scientologists out there who aren't, just like there has to be religious people out there that accept facts as part of life.

[Daggers]

bollocks. There's got to be some scientologists out there who aren't

Yep.

There has to be a few clear-thinking individuals.

Some who may accept the fundamentals of Scientology but remain pragmatic and open to intellectual argument.

Just because they believe "that a human is an immortal alien spiritual being, termed a thetan, that is trapped on planet Earth in a physical body" and that "the thetan has had innumerable past lives and it is accepted in Scientology that lives preceding the thetan's arrival on Earth lived in extraterrestrial cultures" shouldn't mean they are ignorant in any way or form.

Just barking.

[stez]

many past lives? best chuck buddhists, hindus, jains and dr whos, and that, into the mix then.

[Zingari]

I don't know how any religion can ever hope to be taken seriously unless it has a strong belief in killing or mutilating adulterers , homosexuals or non believers ,

scientologists are a joke

[BoneDog]

Islam doesn't have a strong belief in those things (I could go on about it but don't want to ruin another thread). Nor does Christianity (although alot of shiz has been added to that effect).

[Finnegan]

bollocks. There's got to be some scientologists out there who aren't, just like there has to be religious people out there that accept facts as part of life.

Scientology isn't a religion. It's not a faith with a code of ethics or centuries of tradition that bring people together, you don't have to defend scientologists to look all good and open minded and PC. It's a dangerous cult full of strange, harmful and zealotous ideas. I'm sure there are people that think that certain aspects of scientology aren't bad ideas but those who belong to the Church of Scientology, as I stated, fall into two groups. The brainwashed and/or ignorant and those that are well aware of how sinister and corrupt the organization is and still support it.

I've given the scientology rant numerous times over the last eighteen months and I've got somewhat fed up of it, add to that the fact I'm pretty sure nobody reads what I've got to say anyway and I'm somewhat demotivated.

So as promised, here's a bunch of scientology resources and you can make your own mind up.

http://www.exscientologykids.com/

http://www.xenu.net/

http://xenutv.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/jas...eghe-interview/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Scientology/R...rospection.html

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...68373830351271#

http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout

And there's much, much more to be found.

[BoneDog]

Scientology isn't a religion. It's not a faith with a code of ethics or centuries of tradition that bring people together, you don't have to defend scientologists to look all good and open minded and PC. 1. It's a dangerous cult full of strange, harmful and zealotous ideas. I'm sure there are people that think that certain aspects of scientology aren't bad ideas but those who belong to the Church of Scientology, as I stated, fall into two groups. The brainwashed and/or ignorant and those that are well aware of how sinister and corrupt the organization is and still support it.

I've given the scientology rant numerous times over the last eighteen months and I've got somewhat fed up of it, add to that the fact 2. I'm pretty sure nobody reads what I've got to say anyway and I'm somewhat demotivated.

1. That's damn right.

2. I read what you've got to say and you do talk sense and make good arguements more often than not.

[BoneDog]

Just started watching that google Panorama vid on the links and to be honest they seem like they are fookin nutcases. Probably quite intelligent but nuts (not in a loony way but in a sinister way).

[Zingari]

I find it amusing how society has become so "frog in a pot " tolerant of the crass stupidity and danger of the mainstream religions , but then become wildly agitated at the thought of a few fringe lunatics

don't worry about these cults ,, they can be hunted down "Waco style" if they get too much of a distraction

[lou]

Islam doesn't have a strong belief in those things (I could go on about it but don't want to ruin another thread). Nor does Christianity (although alot of shiz has been added to that effect).

Like I said though its not the religions at fault its individuals who choose to exploit them to excuse fanatical behaviour.

[Zingari]

Like I said though its not the religions at fault its individuals who choose to exploit them to excuse fanatical behaviour.

Is it not true that without the indoctrination of the religious beliefs it would be less likely that these individuals would have the impetus to involve themselves in this fanaticism ?

I know that individuals will still commit atrocious acts without indoctrination though

[lou]

Is it not true that without the indoctrination of the religious beliefs it would be less likely that these individuals would have the impetus to involve themselves in this fanaticism ?

I know that individuals will still commit atrocious acts without indoctrination though

Is any religion to blame for peoples interpretations of it thats all its humans that commit the acts of war and terrorism not a book?

Theres millions of followers of every sort of religion who live good, peaceful lives without conflict and as you say plenty of evil ones who dont follow any religion

[Zingari]

Is any religion to blame for peoples interpretations of it thats all its humans that commit the acts of war and terrorism not a book?

Theres millions of followers of every sort of religion who live good, peaceful lives without conflict and as you say plenty of evil ones who dont follow any religion

if you consider the Bible , Koran and Talmud as "just books" , then, yes, you are indeed quite right , but in the minds of the adherents they are "the truth" and far more than just something from WHS to pass the time on a long winter evening .

i don't think the disproportionate influence of this should be underestimated .

i do agree that the great majority of all religions do want to live good and peaceful lives though

[lou]

if you consider the Bible , Koran and Talmud as "just books" , then, yes, you are indeed quite right , but in the minds of the adherents they are "the truth" and far more than just something from WHS to pass the time on a long winter evening .

i don't think the disproportionate influence of this should be underestimated .

i do agree that the great majority of all religions do want to live good and peaceful lives though

This is the point Im making.... its the minds of people that interpret them thats key.... The Bible is just as badly interpreted by some people as the Koran and Talmud IMO.

I am aware theyre not the same as a Mills and Boon

[Finnegan]

I find it amusing how society has become so "frog in a pot " tolerant of the crass stupidity and danger of the mainstream religions , but then become wildly agitated at the thought of a few fringe lunatics

don't worry about these cults ,, they can be hunted down "Waco style" if they get too much of a distraction

I dislike all organized religion and I'm more than aware that deaths and violence are done in the name of most of them but most of them have a fairly innocent core, as much as I deplore them.

But scientology is sinister at it's roots and has done more damage proportionate to it's member base than any other contemporary "faith."

You asked for the links so explore them - but as I said, it's more than just "a few fringe lunatics" and it's certainly not harmless but most importantly you cannot compare it to mainstream religions or in fact have a debate about scientology in the context of mainstream religions. It's far less about what they preach in regards to thetans or Xenu or jets carrying souls and far more about scare tactics, tax exemption scams, pay-to-pray, exclusion policies and - funniest but unsurprising of all from a brainwashing cult - their crusade against psychiatry.

[Bellend Sebastian]

Has anyone ever tried to read an L Ron Hubbard book? I'm guessing none of Scientology's followers have. They really are shit

[Fox You Forest]

don't worry about these cults ,, they can be hunted down "Waco style" if they get too much of a distraction

What a cock up that was.

Tanks and tear gas at the Cruise mansion.

[Finnegan]

What a cock up that was.

Tanks and tear gas at the Cruise mansion.

Heh, Tom Cruise only has one wife held against her will. Vernon Wayne Howell had him sort of beaten hands down.

[Zingari]

I dislike all organized religion and I'm more than aware that deaths and violence are done in the name of most of them but most of them have a fairly innocent core, as much as I deplore them.

But scientology is sinister at it's roots and has done more damage proportionate to it's member base than any other contemporary "faith."

You asked for the links so explore them - but as I said, it's more than just "a few fringe lunatics" and it's certainly not harmless but most importantly you cannot compare it to mainstream religions or in fact have a debate about scientology in the context of mainstream religions. It's far less about what they preach in regards to thetans or Xenu or jets carrying souls and far more about scare tactics, tax exemption scams, pay-to-pray, exclusion policies and - funniest but unsurprising of all from a brainwashing cult - their crusade against psychiatry.

I bow down to your obvious superior knowledge in regard to what the scientologists are all about , and I did look at a few of those websites but really I can't see myself losing any sleep about them, as ( unlike the desert dogmas )they'll probably disappear up their own assholes in a couple of generations at most , and the damage they do will be limited .

You say they can't be compared to mainstream religions but continue to do so anyway , and I still see remarkable similarities between them and religion , they only differ in the substance of their belief in the unprovable , but still try to influence minds using similar techniques.

I'm afraid we'll have to agree to differ on that point ,

I could of course post links to websites detailing much worse atrocities committed by mainstream religion in the act of brainwashing , but it would be pointless , as you have rightly said , it's all been said and done before .

We'll just have to worry about own chosen demons in our midst

[Finnegan]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think scientology is the greatest evil of all time. If you consider Al'Qaeda or the Ku Klux Klan cults then I'm sure nobody would argue that both haven't done things that make the CoS seem really rather trivial.

The only reason I get distinctly up in arms about Scientology is that a massive, massive majority of people are well aware of the evils of the above mentioned but generally tend to see Scientology either as "that quirky celebrity trend" or as a playfully silly set of religious beliefs.

I don't sit in my house with the windows barricaded and the doors locked worried that John Travolta and Tom Cruise are going to come and eat my brains and to be honest I consider it highly likely scientology will probably have about dick all effect on my actual life. I just think it should generally be regarded with contempt and suspicion more than quaint amusement and for the sakes of those that do get caught up in it people should be a little more educated on the matter.

[Bellend Sebastian]

Here we are all slagging it off, and it might be really great

If I join, do I get to have a go on Katie Holmes? These are the sorts of questions that really need answering

[Finnegan]

Nobody gets to have a go on Katie Holmes. She's not even allowed her baps out anymore. Hell, is she even allowed out of the house anymore?