BoneDog Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 1. I don't disagree that they are very damaging to community cohesion but people like the BNP are best kept in the open. Look at Nick Griffin on Question Time when he was made an utter fool of in front of millions, any credibility anyone thought he might have had was exploded in that hour. The BNP are a joke run by clueless idiots and supported by morons, the chances of them ever becoming a political force in this country are close to non-existent. Their stated aim is to gain a foothold through the ballot box, 2. Islam4UK want to impose a Sharia state by any means necessary. 1. If the BNP are best kept out in the open, then why not the same with Choudrays group? Surely they too could be shown up just as Griffin was (although I think Choudray would easily be able to hold his own if in the same position). 2. Even if that's what this small group want everyone knows it has absolutely no chance of ever happening, unless by some miracle.
BoneDog Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 If we are to change the world, we must first change ourselves - Samilktray 2010. Wise words! But it aint ever going to happen cos there are far too many divs around in the countries that could possibly change the world.
Houdini Logic Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Banning them was the right decision but it seems that some are comparing them to the BNP. For the BNP's many, many faults they've never officially sanctioned violence, never supported the killing of British troops and never supported any act of terrorism against people to whom they're ideologically opposed. The BNP are an irritant and a vile, racist party but not in the same league as Islam4UK. They're slightly smarter, maybe because they're a 'political' party, but I believe the BNP are much more dangerous than you suggest
Zingari Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 If we are to change the world, we must first change ourselves - Samilktray 2010. you are really Gandhi and i claim my £5 edit ; actual quote by Gandhi , "You must be the change you want to see in the world."
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Wise words!But it aint ever going to happen cos there are far too many divs around in the countries that could possibly change the world. Too many divs making money from peoples misery and war in the countries that could possibly change the world.
Samilktray Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Im just trying to kickstart the revolution, kinda like Tupac.
Flynny Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 http://enemiesofreason.blogspot.com/2010/0...tt-protest.html Good article against despite a more typically leftist perspective.
Ultra Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 http://enemiesofreason.blogspot.com/2010/0...tt-protest.htmlGood article against despite a more typically leftist perspective. ...and far more credible than the middle-class liberal crap that David Mitchell came out with.
MPH Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Ok this is a very UN thought out basis on which society should be based on so im expecting it to have holes picked out of it.. BUt surely EVERYONE in society should have the right to live in freedom, safety,, cohesively living alongside each other in tolerance blah blah blah.. I think any organisation ( whether it Islamist OR White supremacist based) that promotes/ encourages violence, terrorism/ intolerance and hatred steps outside of their privilege of freedom of speech in a way that FORCES their opinions on others and therefore should lose that right and be banned.
davieG Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Ok this is a very UN thought out basis on which society should be based on so im expecting it to have holes picked out of it.. BUt surely EVERYONE in society should have the right to live in freedom, safety,, cohesively living alongside each other in tolerance blah blah blah.. I think any organisation ( whether it Islamist OR White supremacist based) that promotes/ encourages violence, terrorism/ intolerance and hatred steps outside of their privilege of freedom of speech in a way that FORCES their opinions on others and therefore should lose that right and be banned. Where would you draw the line in your scenario and perhaps more importantly who would draw the line? Would you trust the politically aligned unrepresentative government of the day to decide? Because that's what Hitler and Mussolini did - legitimate oppositions can suddenly become extremist to an extremist government.
Zingari Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Where would you draw the line in your scenario and perhaps more importantly who would draw the line? Would you trust the politically aligned unrepresentative government of the day to decide? Because that's what Hitler and Mussolini did - legitimate oppositions can suddenly become extremist to an extremist government. just like meatloaf once said ,," you took the words right outta my mouth "
Edmund Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 That's great news. We all know they were just trying to provoke and the only outcome would've been violent. I understand they were trying to get a point across but they should do it without inciting violence. It's like the bnp marching down Melton Road, common sense has to come into practice. Wether they should be banned entirely, I can't comment as I don't know the ins and outs of the organisation but all I know is their planned march was a disgrace. You might as well march through Berlin/Dresden carrying coffins with swastikas on. They don't do themselves any favours or in fact the Islam community any favours with stunts like this.
MPH Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Where would you draw the line in your scenario and perhaps more importantly who would draw the line? Would you trust the politically aligned unrepresentative government of the day to decide? Because that's what Hitler and Mussolini did - legitimate oppositions can suddenly become extremist to an extremist government. I never said the ideals i mentioned could be valued and followed at every opportunity.. But that doesn't make them any less worthy to hold to. There are of course such things as injustices. those regimes clearly fall into that category...
CosbehFox Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 http://enemiesofreason.blogspot.com/2010/0...tt-protest.htmlGood article against despite a more typically leftist perspective. I think that sums it up right. I just hope that as a country we are educated enough to see the reasoning why Islam4uk are slightly different to the BNP. And to deattached these extremists from the perfectly good folk of the country.
Super Arj Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 About time, and the members should be forced to find jobs, It's not fair that they are allowed to 'leech' off of other people's hard earned cash..
Flynny Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 ...and far more credible than the middle-class liberal crap that David Mitchell came out with. I know he's middle class himself but I don't think anything he said was particularly class-biased - even though I agree with the other argument.
BoneDog Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 The BNP are an irritant and a vile, racist party but not in the same league as Islam4UK. True. Islam4UK are in the Blue Square North while the BNP are sitting in the top half of the Premier League.
Guest Bilo Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 1. If the BNP are best kept out in the open, then why not the same with Choudrays group? Surely they too could be shown up just as Griffin was (although I think Choudray would easily be able to hold his own if in the same position).2. Even if that's what this small group want everyone knows it has absolutely no chance of ever happening, unless by some miracle. There's no chance of Sharia ever happening here, and I would love to see Choudary taken apart by a real Islamic scholar on TV (of which he isn't one, he has no qualifications as a religious scholar of any kind) but it's what they openly inspire their followers to do. There are some murky links within this group to convicted terrorists who are known to have been inspired by the likes of Choudary and the group's sugar daddy Omar Bakri. They're slightly smarter, maybe because they're a 'political' party, but I believe the BNP are much more dangerous than you suggest. Personally I see them as an irrelevant clown troupe given far more publicity than they deserve, but that's just me. They're only made dangerous by the fact that the media gives them too much publicity.
Finnegan Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 I know he's middle class himself but I don't think anything he said was particularly class-biased - even though I agree with the other argument. What's that? Ultra made a bigoted post with an unnecessary prejudiced qualifer? No, never!
Guest Bilo Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 What's that? Ultra made a bigoted post with an unnecessary prejudiced qualifer? No, never! Good job the Labour front bench is populated entirely by good, honest working-class folk really. Waaaaaait......
Flynny Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 What's that? Ultra made a bigoted post with an unnecessary prejudiced qualifer? No, never! If you think that's funny try following him on twitter.
acooling08 Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Good job the Labour front bench is populated entirely by good, honest working-class folk really.Waaaaaait...... Ahh Muslims, we all love em'.
acooling08 Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 About time, and the members should be forced to find jobs,It's not fair that they are allowed to 'leech' off of other people's hard earned cash.. Who the fuck would employ them?
Guest Mee-9 Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Who the fuck would employ them? Asda in Thurmaston
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