Ford Super Sunday Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 A radical Islamist group that planned a march through Wootton Bassett will be banned under counter-terrorism laws, Home Secretary Alan Johnson has said.Members of Islam4UK had planned the protest at the Wiltshire town to honour Muslims killed in the Afghanistan conflict. The government had been considering outlawing the group - Islam4UK is also known as al-Muhajiroun. Earlier this week, Gordon Brown said plans for the march were "disgusting". Mr Johnson said: "I have today laid an order which will proscribe al-Muhajiroun, Islam4UK, and a number of the other names the organisation goes by. 'Tough but necessary' "It is already proscribed under two other names - al-Ghurabaa and The Saved Sect. "Proscription is a tough but necessary power to tackle terrorism and is not a course we take lightly. "We are clear that an organisation should not be able to circumvent proscription by simply changing its name." Under the Terrorism Act 2000, a group can be banned if it "commits or participates in acts of terrorism, prepares for, promotes or encourages terrorism or is otherwise concerned in terrorism". 'Muslim plight highlighted' Groups can also be outlawed if they "unlawfully glorify the commission or preparation of acts of terrorism". On Sunday Islam4UK cancelled the march and issued a statement from spokesman Anjem Choudary, saying it had "successfully highlighted the plight of Muslims in Afghanistan". "We at Islam4UK have decided, after consultation with others including our Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, that no more could be achieved even if a procession were to take place in Wootton Bassett," he said. The group denied members had planned to carry 500 empty coffins through the town. The banning order will come into effect on Thursday and make it a criminal offence to be a member, punishable by up to 10 years in prison. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8453560.stm Right decision? too far? not far enough?
lou Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Probably the right decision, though part of me fears it will just give these people more support as theyll be seen to be "oppressed" Sling the ring leaders out and stop giving them benefits would be the right thing to do but this Government will never do that. If someone is proven to be against the laws and standards of this society they shouldnt be allowed to profit from our benefits system, I dont care what colour or religion they are.
Finnegan Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Probably the right decision, though part of me fears it will just give these people more support as theyll be seen to be "oppressed" Personally more worried it'll give the ignorant masses more justification to claim Islam itself is 'evil.' Not for one moment suggesting it was a worthwhile organization, just that the average Sun reader doesn't really need much of an excuse for Islamophobia these days.
Ford Super Sunday Posted 12 January 2010 Author Posted 12 January 2010 Personally more worried it'll give the ignorant masses more justification to claim Islam itself is 'evil.'Not for one moment suggesting it was a worthwhile organization, just that the average Sun reader doesn't really need much of an excuse for Islamophobia these days. Especially not when a certain Jon Gaunt seems to be the idol of most Sun readers
Zingari Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 i really don't like to see any organisations banned , i'd rather them out in the open so the rest of us can convince them they are wrong . these anti terrorist laws will eventually be misused , i am quite concerned by this , even if it does make me sound like a NWO conspiracy fruitcake
Matt Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Good. I saw alot of fuss made about all the BNP and similar marches but not much wrote about this - Neither are right but just found it weird no-one was willing to kicking up a fuss as such or discuss this one much.
Guest Bilo Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Probably the right decision, though part of me fears it will just give these people more support as theyll be seen to be "oppressed" Sling the ring leaders out and stop giving them benefits would be the right thing to do but this Government will never do that. If someone is proven to be against the laws and standards of this society they shouldnt be allowed to profit from our benefits system, I dont care what colour or religion they are. Completely agree with you here. The leader of this group, Anjem Choudary, is a qualified lawyer but is on an extremely generous level of benefits living in the kind of home out of reach to most. Why should that be the case? Someone like Choudary should be made to find a job rather than leech off a country he claims to loathe. How very convenient he disagrees with every aspect of our political system except the benefit system. The group itself has gone under various guises before as the article states and will no doubt return under a new guise unless the government clamp down and imprison the ring leaders of the current group, or at the very least stop them from taking the taxpayer's coin as they would be content to do forever more if left unchecked.
lou Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Personally more worried it'll give the ignorant masses more justification to claim Islam itself is 'evil.'Not for one moment suggesting it was a worthwhile organization, just that the average Sun reader doesn't really need much of an excuse for Islamophobia these days. I agree with all of that, the membera of these groups are doing the same thing as well. Which is why the vast majority of Muslims feel the same way about them. Theyre bringing the name of Islam into disrepute. Especially not when a certain Jon Gaunt seems to be the idol of most Sun readers Christ I saw this odious creep on the news this morning spouting bigotted bile. I was surprised that Eamonn Holmes didnt challenge him on some of it.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 By banning them they will just operate under a different name as has been done by this clown before. By banning them it just gives them the publicity they want and also gives them the opportunity to shout about Western Oppression etc. Silly pointless move aimed imo at vote winning at the next election by placating the racists and the thick. If they wanted to have any proper impact at all then a whole freedom of speech debate would need to done.
Houdini Logic Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 It's a shame they haven't/can't encourage different Islamic groups to come to Wooton Bassett - simply banning the radical groups is sending a bad message to the country
Fosse Boy Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Good article by David Mitchell...HERE David Mitchell's view on Wootton Bassett and free speech in general. Worth reading.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Good article by David Mitchell...HERE Yeah but FIE James' link actually works
Fosse Boy Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Yeah but FIE James' link actually works Well, that's shown me.
Zingari Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Good article by David Mitchell...HERE headline We all have the right to be offensive interesting but that's not strictly true anymore though is it ? we don't have the right to be offensive , because of the "Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006" it's a very tricky situation for a government to handle if islamic groups are allowed be offensive but not be offended
lou Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Jimmy Carr doesnt have the right to be offensive apparently
Bellend Sebastian Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 These people are massive wankers, that's undeniable, but I get more cross about the willingness of the mainstream media to give what is essentially a miniscule group of extremists coverage that is grossly disproportionate to their size and influence - a platform for the shite they spout. The Muslim Council of Britain's stance, "to ensure we do not grant them the oxygen of publicity", is spot on in my view. After that 'demonstration' by Muslim extremists in Luton, I think it was, where it kicked off last year, Charlie Brooker pointed out that there were about 15 of them being daft bastards, which was splattered all over the news, and in Belfast on the same day or day after or something, 10,000 odd went on a peace march that the media didn't give a shit about. Rather than give a balanced view of what's happening in the world the media seems to be ever more obsessed with invoking our sense of outrage
Sir Fynwy Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 Jimmy Carr doesnt have the right to be offensive apparently Just seeing the bloke is offensive, if he's not allowed to be offensive they should lock him in a veal crate and never release him.
davieG Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 These people are massive wankers, that's undeniable, but I get more cross about the willingness of the mainstream media to give what is essentially a miniscule group of extremists coverage that is grossly disproportionate to their size and influence - a platform for the shite they spout. The Muslim Council of Britain's stance, "to ensure we do not grant them the oxygen of publicity", is spot on in my view.After that 'demonstration' by Muslim extremists in Luton, I think it was, where it kicked off last year, Charlie Brooker pointed out that there were about 15 of them being daft bastards, which was splattered all over the news, and in Belfast on the same day or day after or something, 10,000 odd went on a peace march that the media didn't give a shit about. Rather than give a balanced view of what's happening in the world the media seems to be ever more obsessed with invoking our sense of outrage No change there then and at times it suits the politicians as well as right wing extremist/fascist as it 'justifies' more control over the general population. It'll soon be illegal for 2 or 3 people to gather together in any ones name.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 No change there then and at times it suits the politicians as well as right wing extremist/fascist as it 'justifies' more control over the general population. It'll soon be illegal for 2 or 3 people to gather together in any ones name. That won't affect Coventry City then.
foxoffderby Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 By banning them they will just operate under a different name as has been done by this clown before. By banning them it just gives them the publicity they want and also gives them the opportunity to shout about Western Oppression etc. Silly pointless move aimed imo at vote winning at the next election by placating the racists and the thick. If they wanted to have any proper impact at all then a whole freedom of speech debate would need to done. I thought I heard on sky news this morning Choudry will not be able to start up again under a different banner, I dont understand how this will be done. I maybe mistaken however and got the wrong end of the stick.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 12 January 2010 Posted 12 January 2010 I thought I heard on sky news this morning Choudry will not be able to start up again under a different banner, I dont understand how this will be done. I maybe mistaken however and got the wrong end of the stick. The problem is that he has done it before and I am sure that would impinge on his human rights (Can the law students can confirm this?). This is why it is a nonsense decision in my eyes.
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