dandannieldanok Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Im just one of those negative fans who would rather spend another season in this league than end up like Derby. If I'm wrong please tell me, but that to me sounds as though you think that we can pick and choose when we get promoted and in two seasons time we'll definitely be still competitive in this league. Also, unless I've missed anything obvious, I don't really see what difference another couple of years in this division will make, why should we be better prepared in a year or two compared to now?
Tony Pine Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 If I'm wrong please tell me, but that to me sounds as though you think that we can pick and choose when we get promoted and in two seasons time we'll definitely be still competitive in this league. Also, unless I've missed anything obvious, I don't really see what difference another couple of years in this division will make, why should we be better prepared in a year or two compared to now? this is what i was talking about in the other thread. these consolidation comments really bother me.
lou Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 If I'm wrong please tell me, but that to me sounds as though you think that we can pick and choose when we get promoted and in two seasons time we'll definitely be still competitive in this league. Also, unless I've missed anything obvious, I don't really see what difference another couple of years in this division will make, why should we be better prepared in a year or two compared to now? Youre wrong this is what i was talking about in the other thread. these consolidation comments really bother me. if you get bothered that easily I worry about your blood pressure
Tony Pine Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Youre wrong if you get bothered that easily I worry about your blood pressure not to sure how being bothered affects my blood pressure. if it made me angry i might see the connection though.
Sir Fynwy Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 The whole point of football is surely to try and compete at the highest level though which for us would be the PL.I also don't want our club to go bankrupt but theres a long way to go until that happens and so many variables. I'm not fussed about PL regulars, just a season or two back there to play against some of the big boys, lets just go on loan to the Premiership like we did with League One. If the whole point of playing football was to be at the top every fan would support MUFC, CFC etc. The whole point of this pointless sport is to entertain the people watching, that's why it is on TV, in the papers, on the radio and discussed all over the place. If the only point to football is to be at the top and only see a winnining team it loses it's entertainment and thus it's point. (I've used a lot of points there but I'm sure you'll get it).
Edmund Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 If the whole point of playing football was to be at the top every fan would support MUFC, CFC etc. No they wouldn't because that is how it is now. All teams aspire to go as high as possible, it doesn't mean they reach that point but are you telling me league 2 clubs wouldn't mind a shot at league 1, league 1 clubs at championship level and so on. Of course fans want their team to go as high and as far as possible, it doesn't mean because they don't achieve it that they will go and support Man utd.
Matt Posted 13 January 2010 Author Posted 13 January 2010 If the whole point of playing football was to be at the top every fan would support MUFC, CFC etc. The whole point of this pointless sport is to entertain the people watching, that's why it is on TV, in the papers, on the radio and discussed all over the place.If the only point to football is to be at the top and only see a winnining team it loses it's entertainment and thus it's point. (I've used a lot of points there but I'm sure you'll get it). I fully understand you're point, and agree, however I see the points made that "The whole point of the game is to be the best and at the top" as in what's the point in even entering competition's if you don't want to win, or gain the prize? Despite that I agree in the fact i'd rather stay in the Championship for a season or two longer as I fear it would be a few seasons to early to even look at the Premiership, and as said we would most probably end up like Derby, it would do more damage than good if we went up I think.
Bakey Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 I fully understand you're point, and agree, however I see the points made that "The whole point of the game is to be the best and at the top" as in what's the point in even entering competition's if you don't want to win, or gain the prize?Despite that I agree in the fact i'd rather stay in the Championship for a season or two longer as I fear it would be a few seasons to early to even look at the Premiership, and as said we would most probably end up like Derby, it would do more damage than good if we went up I think. But if you take Birmingham for example they are doing well with good financial backing and a good stable manager,
Daggers Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 we are woefully short on quality as Forest showed us <_< . Every team in this division has off days and the Leicester which played Forest was not the side which battled at Reading and QPR. As limited as I believe our current two full-backs to be I think a lot of people are going well overboard about them and their deficiencies. They are average players, not world beaters, not Premiership class...but how many teams in this league have outstanding full backs? Shit, look at the Premiership - there's dross all over the shop there too. Before that game, I though WBA looked the best team in the league...but Forest went on to spank them too, proving the strength that they have. They benefit from strengthening and summer spending over more than one season, for us to want to be outplaying them having just come up is very presumptuous, deluded, even.
Matt Posted 13 January 2010 Author Posted 13 January 2010 But if you take Birmingham for example they are doing well with good financial backing and a good stable manager, And you're point against my statement is? Not being funny, just don't understand why you quoted my post as I don't understand what relevence you're post has against mine.
Sir Fynwy Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 I fully understand you're point, and agree, however I see the points made that "The whole point of the game is to be the best and at the top" as in what's the point in even entering competition's if you don't want to win, or gain the prize?Despite that I agree in the fact i'd rather stay in the Championship for a season or two longer as I fear it would be a few seasons to early to even look at the Premiership, and as said we would most probably end up like Derby, it would do more damage than good if we went up I think. You don't though, my main point is that football is pointless (unless you think lining the pockets of lads who are better at kicking a ball and running or fat old businessmen is a point in itself), it's entertainment and being at the top isn't the most important thing on many fans minds. I'd reather be entertained for what I pay out.
Bakey Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Despite that I agree in the fact i'd rather stay in the Championship for a season or two longer as I fear it would be a few seasons to early to even look at the Premiership, and as said we would most probably end up like Derby, it would do more damage than good if we went up I think. i think that we wont be ready but im trying to say that it can happen.
maddog Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 You don't though, my main point is that football is pointless (unless you think lining the pockets of lads who are better at kicking a ball and running or fat old businessmen is a point in itself), it's entertainment and being at the top isn't the most important thing on many fans minds. I'd reather be entertained for what I pay out. Surely the best entertainment for us would be watching a Robbie Nielson V Fernando Torres showdown Now that would be funny.
Matt Posted 13 January 2010 Author Posted 13 January 2010 [/b]i think that we wont be ready but im trying to say that it can happen. But Birmingham haven't just come up from League One have they? They have Yo-Yoed between the Championship and Premiership for the last 4 years and prior to that had 4 years solid in the Premiership, prior to that they spent 7 years in the Championship. I'm not trying to pick an arguement just saying the suggestion of Birmingham isn't really the greatest team to compare our situation to, it's totally different. Perhaps if you'd have said I don't know Wigan, who 8 years ago were in League One, Got promoted to the Championship and in 1 season got promotion to the Premiership and have stayed there, Or Fulham who were in League Two 12 years ago, Got promoted to the Championship spent 2 seasons in that league, got promotion to the Premiership and stayed there ever since, Or Man City. There are a few clubs, but Birmingham really are not one of them. Anyway, I think if we went up it would do more damage than good, We'll never know unless it happens, I'm not saying I don't want to go up, Of course I do - The Premiership is 'the place to be' but wouldn't be jumping through hoops at the prospect.
Kilworthfox Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Every team in this division has off days and the Leicester which played Forest was not the side which battled at Reading and QPR. As limited as I believe our current two full-backs to be I think a lot of people are going well overboard about them and their deficiencies. They are average players, not world beaters, not Premiership class...but how many teams in this league have outstanding full backs? Shit, look at the Premiership - there's dross all over the shop there too.Before that game, I though WBA looked the best team in the league...but Forest went on to spank them too, proving the strength that they have. They benefit from strengthening and summer spending over more than one season, for us to want to be outplaying them having just come up is very presumptuous, deluded, even. My point is that against pacey footballers who are willing to run at our defence, our full backs (1 of which was Berner that day who I rate) are essential to our back 4 which NP loves so much. The full backs need to be strong and cope with their respective wingers or else the lack of pace at centre half gets shown up in a terrible way. That is why Brown can look dominating one game and an utter horror show the next, it depends if he is exposed for pace or not. Neilson is not up to the job. McGivern is poor, however he has the excuse that he is inexperienced and will need the opportunity to learn. I see a lot more in him than Neilson, but really that is not a huge compliment! To say they are "average" footballers, that would mean that they had the odd bad game where they make a gaff once a game or something, for instance Dyer IMO is an average championship player, that is why people moan about him being inconsistent, where as Tunchev, Wellens & Fryatt are all playing or have played at a level where I have every faith in them to produce the goods & even in a bad patch which Wellens seems to have hit, I would not drop him because even in his bad games he does something positive. The simplest way I can put my opinion on this is: A good player is a good player, form is temporary class is permanent, a bad player is a bad player and one swallow does not make a summer.
Daggers Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 My point is that against pacey footballers who are willing to run at our defence, our full backs (1 of which was Berner that day who I rate) are essential to our back 4 which NP loves so much. The full backs need to be strong and cope with their respective wingers or else the lack of pace at centre half gets shown up in a terrible way. That is why Brown can look dominating one game and an utter horror show the next, it depends if he is exposed for pace or not. Which is down to the cover support being provided by the midfield. Against Forest, our middle four left the back four out to dry. Oakley is no right-winger and would be better played at right back while Dyer is a lightweight when it comes to defending. Forest were an extreme example of pace as almost half the team has it in buckets. I still reckon that at worst we suffer from having a few very average players - something to work on over the next 18 months, not during a January window.
Kilworthfox Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Which is down to the cover support being provided by the midfield.Against Forest, our middle four left the back four out to dry. Oakley is no right-winger and would be better played at right back while Dyer is a lightweight when it comes to defending. Forest were an extreme example of pace as almost half the team has it in buckets. I still reckon that at worst we suffer from having a few very average players - something to work on over the next 18 months, not during a January window. Going up is not essential to us fans. I like to see LCFC doing well and we really are. I think the thing that really annoys me as a fan is that we have players who (to me) are clearly not good enough more than 1 IMO, and the promotion area really is in touching distance, as bad as I believe some players are, the team are doing very well in this division. Oakley is a central midfielder, who comes under the average bracket IMO, he is as inconsistent as the next average championship player but, he does try, he has some ability, but he is not a captain, or a dead ball specialist so lets not pretend that he is a Walsh / Beckham hybrid. He should be played in Central Midfield not right back, I hate players out of position, but at present if that is what it takes then yes please! Truth be told we need an out & out right midfielder, not winger if NP wants to keep a solid side which will not leak goals. We have a winger in Gradel, but he is not rated by Pearson or he would be here not at Leeds. I love the position that we find ourselves in half way through the season, I do not want to go back to League 1! The one big thing though which I would change about Pearson, is the single mindedness and inability to admit that one or more of his signings may be a failure. Also I believe that Pearson has been harsh on the likes of Gradel who obviously has ability but does not feature in the squad at least, the same can be said about Adams, I have no idea what he could have done only to get the odd unused sub spot. I am not fussed about Forest, LCFC need to do themselves justice and get the results their future performances hopefully deserve. Forest were the example of how we can be defensively got at if people do not do their jobs, you are correct that the midfield had a poor day, but who didn't Waghorn I seem to remember from that 1 game.
CupidStunt Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Personally i would be disappointed if we don't get any real quality players on board during the transfer window, as i think we are 2-3 players short if we are to push and/or maintain our position.Whether this is possible? who knows, dont know a thing about what state the club is in financially and whether funds are available to pearson I didnt expect us to be in this position at this stage of the season, and i think some of the teams below us will start climbing the table, which is why we cant let it slip we have done fantastic thus far, but its easy for us to slip into mid-table mediocre position I'd hate to look back next season and think we didnt have a real go at it and take a risk with a couple of signings. this is just a personal opinion, but if wigan did offer 5 mill for fryatt, which i doubt, but if they did, i would have sold, and gone for a couple of decent loan signings, i hear leeds are after marlon harewood if beckford goes, he wouldnt be a bad shout a premier striker on loan to see us through,with a decent attacking midfielder we need a "danger-man" in the middle, a player when he gets the ball, you expect something to happen. Either way, whatever happens, we have done brilliantly so far, so mustn't grumble too much on reflection
Head Honcho Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Personally i would be disappointed if we don't get any real quality players on board during the transfer window, as i think we are 2-3 players short if we are to push and/or maintain our position.Whether this is possible? who knows, dont know a thing about what state the club is in financially and whether funds are available to pearson I didnt expect us to be in this position at this stage of the season, and i think some of the teams below us will start climbing the table, which is why we cant let it slip we have done fantastic thus far, but its easy for us to slip into mid-table mediocre position I'd hate to look back next season and think we didnt have a real go at it and take a risk with a couple of signings. this is just a personal opinion, but if wigan did offer 5 mill for fryatt, which i doubt, but if they did, i would have sold, and gone for a couple of decent loan signings, i hear leeds are after marlon harewood if beckford goes, he wouldnt be a bad shout a premier striker on loan to see us through,with a decent attacking midfielder we need a "danger-man" in the middle, a player when he gets the ball, you expect something to happen. Either way, whatever happens, we have done brilliantly so far, so mustn't grumble too much on reflection I thought Wayne Brown's middle name was "danger"
lou Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 I thought Wayne Brown's middle name was "danger" It bloody well should be
The Doctor Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Surely the best entertainment for us would be watching a Robbie Nielson V Fernando Torres showdown Now that would be funny. only to see torres sythed down.
Legend_in_blue Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 In order for us to improve the team, we need some players in the £2-3 million bracket. They're not going to turn up in a January transfer window. Apart from that, you're looking at loan deals, and we're not really that desperate to strengthen positions around the park. My main concern with this though is that it's clear NP has his favourites, despite mentioning 'ringing the changes' as and when is needed and then these changes become obvious ones. We're in danger of becoming too predictable in the second half of the season. It's already creeping in.
Sniffer-Clarke Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Would like to see some good passing football like Forest/WBA some of the crap dished up lately is Dave Bassett football.
CosbehFox Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 No they wouldn't because that is how it is now.All teams aspire to go as high as possible, it doesn't mean they reach that point but are you telling me league 2 clubs wouldn't mind a shot at league 1, league 1 clubs at championship level and so on. Of course fans want their team to go as high and as far as possible, it doesn't mean because they don't achieve it that they will go and support Man utd. That's the point of a team...and now in the modern day era, the business. The point of being a fan is to be entertained and enjoy watching your side play. If you have such an issue about watching them play in the Premiership, then support Man Yanited or Chelsea. That was the point being made
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