davieG Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 Nice to see the 10 point deduction is keeping clubs on a financially strong footing - really seems to be having the desired affect.
StanSP Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 It is extremely funny that this has happened to Warnock. I bet he feels less strongly that the 10 point penalty is a good idea now.Palace Fans have my utmost sympathy, I hope this doesn't result in a player exodus and relegation. Wishful thinking there! Inevitable that this will happen. Forest didn't take long to announce interest in Moses.
samjohnson Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 This couldnt have come to a 'better' manager. I think i remember Neil Warnock ranting on when we went into administration, how we should get 10 points deducted... Good to see that rant has turned round and bit him on the arse.
lildave3 Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 Couldn't give a shit about Warnock tbh, it's not about him. It's always a shame to see a club in this situation.
Ultra Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 I think this is the second time this has happened to Palace. It's a timely reminder on how over-deppendent on sugar daddies certain clubs can be.
Matt Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 Quite a good little article from When Saturday Comes in June 2003. As you know, Neil Warnock enjoys a rant. Many football supporters would, however, agree with the content of his recent tirade against Leicester City in the Sheffield United programme when the clubs’ met recently. “I find it quite immoral that they have been allowed to do what they have done off the field.” Warnock’s complaint was that Leicester could write off 90 per cent of their £50 million debt after calling in the administrators last October. Warnock called for punitive action, adding: “Otherwise, everyone who has huge debts will do exactly the same and it leaves clubs like ourselves – who run a tight financial ship – at a huge disadvantage.”He got his wish. At a meeting of the 72 Nationwide League clubs at the end of April, coincidentally at Leicester’s Walkers Stadium, the hosts were the only club to vote against the suggestion that clubs who go into administration should have points deducted or be relegated. Other measures agreed there provoked adverse reaction: the PFA are implacably opposed to the introduction of a trial salary cap in the Third Division from next season; Forest chief executive Mark Arthur was among those to condemn as “ludicrous” the decision to extend the play-offs from four clubs to six. It is not yet certain those proposals will be ratified at the League’s June EGM, but the over-whelming support for sanctions against clubs who declare insolvency – Leicester were one of eight to have done so this season – suggest they will be in place by the target date of the 2004-05 season. Leicester fans won’t have been the only ones to have cheered the news that the club’s change of ownership meant they could not be obliged to pay the £2m claimed by Dennis Wise, who is appealing against his contract termination. But clearly the feeling among chairmen was that Leicester had an unfair advantage over their rivals this season, some of whom were themselves struggling to stay afloat. Coventry avoided administration and halved their debt to £25m, but are to release 15 players, while Ipswich were forced into the cut-price sales of Darren Ambrose and Hermann Hreidarsson, moves which may have crucially affected their play-off chances. Leicester, however, were able to turn down offers for players such as Muzzy Izzet while the Gary Lineker-fronted consortium which finally took over the club in February were assembling their takeover package. But City were an attractive proposition to new investors despite their debts precisely because they had a chance of going up. If stringent punishments for insolvency had been in place, Leicester might not have had to contemplate staying put in the First or even dropping further down, because they wouldn’t still be in existence. This fate might already have befallen established top-flight clubs such as Middlesbrough and Charlton, who were close to going under in the 1980s. Given that directors of any business face court action if they continue to trade while insolvent, football clubs who go into administration ought to do so out of a legal duty. Nonetheless, it is surely the case that clubs will be less willing to confess to swelling debts in the future if the outcome is points deduction at the very least. Instead, they are likely to continue trading in the probably vain hope that something or someone will come to their rescue, while the unpaid bills continue to rack up. If losses build to the point where they have become completely unmanageable, everyone involved will be worse off – the creditors will receive even less in whatever final settlement is reached and the club will be punished either by relegation or the loss of points that helps to make it happen, which will also have the effect of worsening their financial plight. Also, how motivated would players be if they know by mid-season that their club will be relegated, and what effect will this in turn have on other promotion and relegation issues? What is needed is prevention rather than cure. For example, an FA financial audit of every club – as is the case in Italy and Germany – rather than just the current statutory one, with a penalty of a transfer ban on clubs operating beneath safe financial norms. This should stop desperate chairmen trying to spend their way out of trouble to reach a higher division, thereby reducing the chances of clubs getting into serious diff-iculties. In due course, perhaps, bump up the penalties, but don’t throw entire divisions into chaos, especially at present with so many problems made critical by the one-off ITV Digital disaster. For once Neil Warnock has a solid grievance to get his teeth into. But that doesn’t mean lynch law is a sensible way to proceed. I always thought it was the whole 92 league teams, but it's just the 72 Football League teams who voted on the point deduction with only us voting against a point deduction.
Simi Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 Warnock's a good manager who just says what he thinks. What's wrong with that? The majoirty of Leicester fans wouldn't hate him if he wouldn't have said what he did 7 years ago. He wanted his team in the Premiership and he wanted to get there by any way he could, and he could see this as a way through for them.Not gonna laugh or anything, because I remember how I felt when we went into admin. Completely agree with you mate, always been a fan of Warnock.
Simi Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 "Bit of team news from St James Park. Crystal Palace have named just three substitutes for the match against Championship leaders Newcastle. This is not the sign of a healthy club."
dandannieldanok Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 I'm sure they could have filled up the squad with youth players.
Guest Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 Wonder if Warnock will bring up our period in adminstration again to bemoan the injustice of their 10 point deduction?Karma's a bitch eh? Indeed. IIRC, Colin wanted us to have a 12pt deduction, at the time. We finished 12 pts above SheffYoo, but still would have gone up because of our better goal difference.
Narborough Bod Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 Quite a good little article from When Saturday Comes in June 2003.I always thought it was the whole 92 league teams, but it's just the 72 Football League teams who voted on the point deduction with only us voting against a point deduction. But the Premier league are above it all aren't they? Different laws, morals etc. They take the whole financial debacle that extra step and only get away with it because of sky.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 Probably only named 3 subs, as the players are probably in fear of playing, and not getting payed No Victor Moses anyway.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 Is this the best example of irony I've seen for quite a while!
Guest Mee-9 Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 If i was Pearson, I'd be watching the match pinpointing any players what he could pick up on a cheap.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 Just found this: I'm a county fan and it pains me to say it but I've just driven past the city grounds main car park and saw a bmw x5 with the number plate VM05ESS
Edmund Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 Just found this:I'm a county fan and it pains me to say it but I've just driven past the city grounds main car park and saw a bmw x5 with the number plate VM05ESS I found this on the same site you found that : From an inside source at the Walkers stadium they have enetered advanced talks over Victor Moses and a move looks to be completed by tonight.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 I found this on the same site you found that : Love a quick look on football rumours. It's funny to see the concoxtions people make up.
Guest Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 Just found this:I'm a county fan and it pains me to say it but I've just driven past the city grounds main car park and saw a bmw x5 with the number plate VM05ESS pfft, I've just seen him in Morrisons so that's it, deal done, he's comin to city
Wycombe Fox Posted 28 January 2010 Posted 28 January 2010 Palace officially deducted 10 points http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ace/8484824.stm
Guest Bilo Posted 28 January 2010 Posted 28 January 2010 Just done one of those prediction doohickeys on BBC Sport and it doesn't make pretty reading for Palace. My bottom five reads: 20 Sheff Wed 46 -21 46 21 Scunny 46 -27 46 --------------------------- 22 Crystal Palace 46 -13 45 23 Plymouth 46 -26 42 24 Peterboro 46 -30 40 They have some tough games coming up in the last few months of the season and the loss of players won't amke ti aany easier.
Edmund Posted 28 January 2010 Posted 28 January 2010 Palace will be fine. My moneys on Peterborugh, Plymouth and Reading. Think they might actually be the current bottom 3 already.
StanSP Posted 28 January 2010 Posted 28 January 2010 Palace will be fine. My moneys on Peterborugh, Plymouth and Reading. Think they might actually be the current bottom 3 already. Swap Reading for Scunny and you're onto a winner. Cheers Bilo for giving me an idea to do something to kill some time!
Guest Bilo Posted 28 January 2010 Posted 28 January 2010 You can have some real fun an' all! At the other end I got (sorry for lack of points totals but took it off after posting last time) 1. Newcastle 2. West Brom ----------------- 3. Nottm Forest 4. Cardiff 5. Swansea 6. Sheff Utd. ----------------- 7. Leicester 8. Blackpool
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