StanSP Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 McGiven is probably the worst defender I have ever seen play in a city shirt, even after Junior Lewis who played as makeshift a few times (like the Bolton home defeat first game of the season) At least some of the other poorer players had a slight sense of positioning, but McGiven has absolutely none. Fair enough you say he is young, learning his trade, but is now really the time to do it? He'd be better off in the reserves to at least learn SOME positioning sense. He is often found just watching the ball fall, glued to the ground. He is causing the other players to do 2 jobs. He shows no promise at all, he is completely useless. 'You wouldn't last 10 minutes on a football pitch' is such a laughable argument. Why not play anybody then if we adopt such a defeatist mentality? Oh he's alright, he's only young, just learning, I bet he's doing better than you could'.... Pillocks. Did he not get injured on Sunday challenging for a ball (which he won) in the air?
Scow Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 Problem for us is that we don't have anyone to play aside from McGivern... if we did I'm sure Nigel might play them. And for God's sake don't say Powell as as much of a legend he is, he's clearly not going to cut it anymore. He'd be getting skinned just as much as McGivern is at the moment! I take it you didn't go Barnsley away?
Guest Mee-9 Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 I really do think we'll see Chris Powell play on Saturday. Derby will be looking to exploit the left.
whitlock Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 I really do think we'll see Chris Powell play on Sunday. Derby will be looking to exploit the left. Hope Derby turn up on Sunday instead of Saturday, be kooshty.
lou Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 Im not a McGiven fan at all but he has player a lot better the last 2 games than he was before so Im willing to give him a chance (as we dont have a choice it appears) Hes better than Neilson and much as I love Chrissy Powell it would be pretty harsh on McGiven (given the last 2 improved performances hes made) to drop him now. Powell on the bench in case the McGiven of old comes o Saturday but give the lad a break and see how he does before they all start getting on his back! The amount of people blaming him solely for the defeat coming out of the ground on Weds was a joke! That defeat was very much down to poor team effort not one individual.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 Hope Derby turn up on Sunday instead of Saturday, be kooshty. Ooops
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 As a First team squad member i think it is shocking the way you acted as ryans name was called out, thankfully the lad took it on the chin! Own Up!! Who's alias is this?
lou Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 As a First team squad member i think it is shocking the way you acted as ryans name was called out, thankfully the lad took it on the chin! Own Up!! Who's alias is this? Ha! No ones Im betting! If Ryans so deluded that he thinks he'll be breaking into Man Citys first team next season then he probably assumed the reaction was for one of the other players anyway
MrSpaM Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 He actully played well against Coventry, And wednesday night Reading were starting most of their attacking moves on the left. I think i'd be happier bringing Brown back and playing Morrison on the left, but at the moment we dont have a lot of options, I'm actually more worried about Solano not being able to play RB in the next few games, because his legs looked gone on wednesday night, and he was hoofing the ball to nobody alot of the game.
Houdini Logic Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 Personally, I only think people should be boo'd if they're not putting they're all into and I don't think that's the case with McGivern - he's just shit. That said, I don't know how people on here are trying to make a case for him? McGivern nearly always makes the wrong choice - he jumps in and gets skinned or he backs off and lets them run at us. He's no good in the air, positioning is awful and no good at getting forward. Really poor player
Koke Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 Personally, I only think people should be boo'd if they're not putting they're all into and I don't think that's the case with McGivern - he's just shit. That said, I don't know how people on here are trying to make a case for him? McGivern nearly always makes the wrong choice - he jumps in and gets skinned or he backs off and lets them run at us. He's no good in the air, positioning is awful and no good at getting forward. Really poor player His positional sense is awful and his closing down, or rather lack of, is terrible - but to say he is no good in the air is false. He has got pace and he is decent in the air. Going forward he is decent as well, he's got a nice left foot and can put in good crosses. Overall the guy will come good. Positional sense can be taught and his other weaknesses can be worked on as well. If he was slow, weak and shit in the air then I would have no hope for him. But I see potential in the lad. He will come good, I can assure you that.
Houdini Logic Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 His positional sense is awful and his closing down, or rather lack of, is terrible - but to say he is no good in the air is false. He has got pace and he is decent in the air. Going forward he is decent as well, he's got a nice left foot and can put in good crosses. Overall the guy will come good. Positional sense can be taught and his other weaknesses can be worked on as well. If he was slow, weak and shit in the air then I would have no hope for him. But I see potential in the lad. He will come good, I can assure you that. A lot of people can cross a ball and run fast, but it doesn't mean they are good at going forward. I haven't seen anything from McGivern going forward. McGivern always goes for the header, but he just doesn't have the conviction of someone like Brown or Hobbs - he's just not in the same league. He lost nearly every header on Weds (though appreciate his opponent).
StanSP Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 Morrison at left-back, someone said earlier? So play another player in the wrong position would alter our fortunes? Can't see that one happening. Start with Morrison, Hobbs, Brown, McGivern on Saturday.
davieG Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 Personally, I only think people should be boo'd if they're not putting they're all into and I don't think that's the case with McGivern - he's just shit. That said, I don't know how people on here are trying to make a case for him? McGivern nearly always makes the wrong choice - he jumps in and gets skinned or he backs off and lets them run at us. He's no good in the air, positioning is awful and no good at getting forward. Really poor player As I said in the Reading post match thread: It's not a case of defending McGivern it's just the self indulgent, self gratifying vilification of him. We've got the message we've seen him play we all know he's not great and I'm sure if Pearson had what he thought was a good alternative he'd use it but the continual hatefest serves no purpose other than to gratify the poster.
Houdini Logic Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 Morrison at left-back, someone said earlier? So play another player in the wrong position would alter our fortunes? Can't see that one happening. Start with Morrison, Hobbs, Brown, McGivern on Saturday. Morrison has been playing out of position all season and doing a damn good job at it
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 Another possibility would be to play Dyer at LB. He played there a couple of times last season and from what I can remember did reasonably well. Can always put N'Guessan on the left of the front 3.
davieG Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 A lot of people can cross a ball and run fast, but it doesn't mean they are good at going forward. I haven't seen anything from McGivern going forward. McGivern always goes for the header, but he just doesn't have the conviction of someone like Brown or Hobbs - he's just not in the same league. He lost nearly every header on Weds (though appreciate his opponent). No conviction? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3zb3pSdbVQ
dandannieldanok Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 I can recall McGivern making at least two fantastic tackles on Wednesday night. How dare he? How dare he have the nerve to do something right. People might not have anyone to have a go at if he carries on improving like this. Any old body can make the odd tackle in 90 minutes of play, stick one of the 20,000 fans on the pitch and in 90 minutes of football I'm sure they'd be lucky enough to stumble in and make a tackle on someone. Are you seriously trying to defend the bloke on the basis that he made two tackles? (of which the 'fantastic' part I would hotly dispute) Also, the insinuation that people are wanting him to be crap.....come on be realistic. The bloke got his due praise for the 45 minute spell against Sheff Utd when he was actually decent, but the rest of the time he's been atrocious, people are rightly appalled at his displays. The criticism is made all the more fair when you consider the quotes that he reckons he'll be fighting for a place at Man City next season, delusional is not a strong enough word.
Houdini Logic Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 No conviction? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3zb3pSdbVQ I'm not sure which part of my comment you didn't understand? I said he goes up for every header, but he doesn't have the conviction that someone like Brown or Hobbs. When I see a hoof ball going towards Wayne Brown, I know who's going to win that header but with McGivern it's anyone's guess. I can't see how that isn't a fair comment?
davieG Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 I'm not sure which part of my comment you didn't understand? I said he goes up for every header, but he doesn't have the conviction that someone like Brown or Hobbs. When I see a hoof ball going towards Wayne Brown, I know who's going to win that header but with McGivern it's anyone's guess. I can't see how that isn't a fair comment? Well he attacked that with conviction you said he doesn't. Do Bruno or Solano attack headers with the same conviction as Brown or Hobbs?
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 Any old body can make the odd tackle in 90 minutes of play, stick one of the 20,000 fans on the pitch and in 90 minutes of football I'm sure they'd be lucky enough to stumble in and make a tackle on someone. Are you seriously trying to defend the bloke on the basis that he made two tackles? (of which the 'fantastic' part I would hotly dispute) Also, the insinuation that people are wanting him to be crap.....come on be realistic. The bloke got his due praise for the 45 minute spell against Sheff Utd when he was actually decent, but the rest of the time he's been atrocious, people are rightly appalled at his displays. The criticism is made all the more fair when you consider the quotes that he reckons he'll be fighting for a place at Man City next season, delusional is not a strong enough word. I agree. When he spouts crap about getting in to the first team of a top Prem club next season he leaves himself open to criticism when he plays badly. What he needs is a youtube video then no matter what happens people will love him.
Houdini Logic Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 Well he attacked that with conviction you said he doesn't. Do Bruno or Solano attack headers with the same conviction as Brown or Hobbs? The conviction (result, verdict, outcome) that he is going to get the ball! That was one header Bruno and Solano (neither of which are full time defenders) have so much more to offer in different areas - it just so happened that we are talking about heading, but if you want to talk about McGivern's other qualities in comparison to Bruno and Solano then feel free
davieG Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 The conviction (result, verdict, outcome) that he is going to get the ball! That was one header Bruno and Solano (neither of which are full time defenders) have so much more to offer in different areas - it just so happened that we are talking about heading, but if you want to talk about McGivern's other qualities in comparison to Bruno and Solano then feel free No I Don't I just didn't see the point of picking on a weakness, if it is one and comparing them to players who's main role is that particular skill and that is common weakness among many other full backs. It's just picking fault for the fun of it. Anyway I've had a belly full of the McGivern hatefest and will bow out.
Daggers Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 No I Don't I just didn't see the point of picking on a weakness, if it is one and comparing them to players who's main role is that particular skill and that is common weakness among many other full backs. It's just picking fault for the fun of it. Anyway I've had a belly full of the McGivern hatefest and will bow out. Lock it - you know you want to.
Houdini Logic Posted 26 March 2010 Posted 26 March 2010 No I Don't I just didn't see the point of picking on a weakness, if it is one and comparing them to players who's main role is that particular skill and that is common weakness among many other full backs. It's just picking fault for the fun of it. Anyway I've had a belly full of the McGivern hatefest and will bow out. I'm not sure which part of my comments about McGiverns footballing abilities are 'for the fun of it' or part of the 'hatefest'? Anyway...
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