Leicester City Away Fans

[lcfcadam]

Where's your evidence that there have been no injuries or deaths relating to the use of flares in European stadia?

"those Belgrade fans can set off that sort of shit and not end up with mass death and burning,"

With the level of the flares in that video and others that we sometimes see, I'm no longer saying that there aren't any injuries or deaths. Just not on a scale large enough for it to be considered a serious problem there (after all, surely in Italy / Spain etc they have enough resources to keep flares out if they want?).

I'm absolutely NOT suggesting that a mass influx of flares into English stadiums would be a good idea, simply that to moan away about ONE, SINGLE flare during a match is a bit pathetic.

[Daggers]

"those Belgrade fans can set off that sort of shit and not end up with mass death and burning,"

With the level of the flares in that video and others that we sometimes see, I'm no longer saying that there aren't any injuries or deaths. Just not on a scale large enough for it to be considered a serious problem there (after all, surely in Italy / Spain etc they have enough resources to keep flares out if they want?).

I'm absolutely NOT suggesting that a mass influx of flares into English stadiums would be a good idea, simply that to moan away about ONE, SINGLE flare during a match is a bit pathetic.

Child suffers internal injuries

Match abandoned

Fans and stewards suffer horrific injuries

Red Star fans dies after being hit by flare

...I'm not even fucking trying, this stuff is dripping from a search engine.

[lcfcadam]

Child suffers internal injuries

Match abandoned

Fans and stewards suffer horrific injuries

Red Star fans dies after being hit by flare

...I'm not even fucking trying, this stuff is dripping from a search engine.

And as I said previously, the most common of these incidents (in countries like Serbia) are happening in stadiums where people are either setting off thousands of the things, or when people are acting like arseholes and actually trying to throw them at other fans / police / players.

How many times do I have to say it, I'm not advocating a stadium full of flare-throwing loonies! Just trying (in vain it seems) to point out that, in this country, our ability to get so fooking hung up about one little flare (such as those at Blackpool or Palace away) is completely pathetic.

[AoWW]

And as I said previously, the most common of these incidents (in countries like Serbia) are happening in stadiums where people are either setting off thousands of the things, or when people are acting like arseholes and actually trying to throw them at other fans / police / players.

How many times do I have to say it, I'm not advocating a stadium full of flare-throwing loonies! Just trying (in vain it seems) to point out that, in this country, our ability to get so fooking hung up about one little flare (such as those at Blackpool or Palace away) is completely pathetic.

Yes, you've talked about it, repeatedly, in the 'flare' thread. Yet you still seem intent on bringing it up again.

[Daggers]

And as I said previously, the most common of these incidents (in countries like Serbia) are happening in stadiums where people are either setting off thousands of the things, or when people are acting like arseholes and actually trying to throw them at other fans / police / players.

How many times do I have to say it, I'm not advocating a stadium full of flare-throwing loonies! Just trying (in vain it seems) to point out that, in this country, our ability to get so fooking hung up about one little flare (such as those at Blackpool or Palace away) is completely pathetic.

No you didn't - you said, quite clearly, "Do you reckon the Red Star Belgrade fans held a 21 page debate on their messageboard about the grave dangers of flares? I bet injuries in that sort of situation are really rare, and I seriously doubt anyone there's worrying about a fookin asthma attack! " Now, having it pointed out that a Red Star fan died and proving your statement is a pile of cock you are trying to move it on to cover something else.

So, alright then, how about the people off this forum who have asthma and/or were next to the flare at Palace when the ****tard threw it on the floor next to them? It's only one flare, right? That's your argument? So it doesn't matter if it impaired her ability to breath or almost set fire to his clothing? It's OK because they are being pathetic, right?

The point about getting "hung up" about one flare is that it does cause breathing problems for asthmatics, it does present a serious fire hazard and it does constitute a real danger to other supporters in a football stadium. Obviously, I fully realise how pathetic these reasons for banning them are.

[lcfcadam]

Yes, you've talked about it, repeatedly, in the 'flare' thread. Yet you still seem intent on bringing it up again.

I believe it was actually brought up by an unnecessarily over-the-top reply, and following argument, to a rather lighthearted statement about the overly safety-conscious nature of our country's people compared to those of others, which was made with regards to a video posted by "SMX11".

Point is I've had my question answered: no, no one else is bothered by living in a health-and-safety defined country where kids can't go on school trips and sports days are banned because there's the possibility that Little Timmy might twist his ankle.

No you didn't - you said, quite clearly, "Do you reckon the Red Star Belgrade fans held a 21 page debate on their messageboard about the grave dangers of flares? I bet injuries in that sort of situation are really rare, and I seriously doubt anyone there's worrying about a fookin asthma attack! " Now, having it pointed out that a Red Star fan died and proving your statement is a pile of cock you are trying to move it on to cover something else.

So, alright then, how about the people off this forum who have asthma and/or were next to the flare at Palace when the ****tard threw it on the floor next to them? It's only one flare, right? That's your argument? So it doesn't matter if it impaired her ability to breath or almost set fire to his clothing? It's OK because they are being pathetic, right?

The point about getting "hung up" about one flare is that it does cause breathing problems for asthmatics, it does present a serious fire hazard and it does constitute a real danger to other supporters in a football stadium. Obviously, I fully realise how pathetic these reasons for banning them are.

Jesus CH-RIST! If you can find any point, ever, at which I have said flares shouldn't be banned in our football stadiums then you have a point. As it is, I doubt you'll do so because I've never said it.

In terms of this thread as a whole - maybe I should just come out and say it. I'd give anything to be a teenage football fan in the late seventies when going to a match potentially involved some sort of risk, it wasn't a family event in any respect, most stadiums were terraced and hooliganism was a genuine problem. Yeah, that probably sounds stupid. Funnily enough I don't care.

[Daggers]

I'm sorry - I wrote shit and now realise it.

No problem, we all do it from time to time.

[lcfc"weasel"]

In terms of this thread as a whole - maybe I should just come out and say it. I'd give anything to be a teenage football fan in the late seventies when going to a match potentially involved some sort of risk, it wasn't a family event in any respect, most stadiums were terraced and hooliganism was a genuine problem. Yeah, that probably sounds stupid. Funnily enough I don't care.

Exactly what i'd love to do as well. Looks so good on videos.

[C-man]

In terms of this thread as a whole - maybe I should just come out and say it. I'd give anything to be a teenage football fan in the late seventies when going to a match potentially involved some sort of risk, it wasn't a family event in any respect, most stadiums were terraced and hooliganism was a genuine problem. Yeah, that probably sounds stupid. Funnily enough I don't care.

I wouldn't go as far as all that because I'm told the atmosphere in those days tend to be over romanticised (You only remember the biggest games with massive gates, forgetting the run of the mill league game with Sunderland in front of 14k). However, you do have a point about risk even if it's a little naive.

As much as I don't want any return to hooliganism because it's what got our generation treated like barbaric animals in the first place, I do admit I'd like some 'risk' when I travel away. I'd love nothing more than going to a hostile New Den rather than the overprotected entrance you make nowadays. I'd love to go to Elland Road with a bit of fear. Adds to the day, doesn't it?

[lcfc"weasel"]

I wouldn't go as far as all that because I'm told the atmosphere in those days tend to be over romanticised (You only remember the biggest games with massive gates, forgetting the run of the mill league game with Sunderland in front of 14k). However, you do have a point about risk even if it's a little naive.

As much as I don't want any return to hooliganism because it's what got our generation treated like barbaric animals in the first place, I do admit I'd like some 'risk' when I travel away. I'd love nothing more than going to a hostile New Den rather than the overprotected entrance you make nowadays. I'd love to go to Elland Road with a bit of fear. Adds to the day, doesn't it?

Would be brilliant!

[lcfcadam]

I'm sorry too though, for reacting in ridiculous style to your initial light-hearted comment about the massive difference between the Serbian and British mindsets.

It's okay, the internet-forum world relies on a delicate balance of easy-goers who just use it occasionally to pass some time, and overbearing reactionaries who are some kind of messageboard kings and must attempt to patronise / condescend to anyone with a different opinion.

[Guest]

I bet injuries in that sort of situation are really rare, and I seriously doubt anyone there's worrying about a fookin asthma attack!

I've read the ensuing "debate", but I just want to point out for the umpteenth time, I was nearly hospitalised when RSB set off that flare at Filbo; it set off my asthma. Funnily enough, it's not something that I want to go through again.

[Guest]

I forgot to add that I would like to thank whoever took the one into Selhurst Park for bringing in a flare that didn't smoke too much. Possibly a coincidence, but I'd like to think they were thinking of me.

[lcfc_jme]

So, alright then, how about the people off this forum who have asthma and/or were next to the flare at Palace when the ****tard threw it on the floor next to them? It's only one flare, right? That's your argument? So it doesn't matter if it impaired her ability to breath or almost set fire to his clothing? It's OK because they are being pathetic, right?

The point about getting "hung up" about one flare is that it does cause breathing problems for asthmatics, it does present a serious fire hazard and it does constitute a real danger to other supporters in a football stadium. Obviously, I fully realise how pathetic these reasons for banning them are.

I have asthma and was next to the flare at Palace (obviously) when it was thrown onto the floor - although I didn't set it off, just to clarify - but I didn't have an asthma attack or have anything of mine set fire to.

Despite that, I'm not calling anybody a fucktard or chastising them for POTENTIALLY burning my clothes. Different strokes for different folks, right? Probably not in your eyes, I'd suspect.

It's okay, the internet-forum world relies on a delicate balance of easy-goers who just use it occasionally to pass some time, and overbearing reactionaries who are some kind of messageboard kings and must attempt to patronise / condescend to anyone with a different opinion.

In a high-majority on this board, but don't get hung-up about it, it's what they thrive on. Besides, they'll tell you "it's only the internet" and to "stop taking it so seriously", before trying to belittle your intelligence and telling you how sad your life must be.

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The game over here is losing all forms of hostility, all forms of risk and all forms of anything remotely nervy and it's becoming stale, sanitised, cotton-wool-laden and pre-teen. I'm not speaking just in terms of the anti-flare army, it's standing, the type of fan that is craved, anti-swearing campaigns, all-seater stadia, over-zealous stewarding, constant increases in costs, and refusal of entry / ejection from grounds if you're getting a bit loud or lairy 'cos you may have had a couple of pre-match jars. Yeah I know what I'll be greeted with - "it's been like this for years", "if you don't like it, lump it" yadde yadde yada - I have done.

[lcfc_jme]

Oh, and whilst I'm at it, I'd like to add I know there are differing levels of asthma and there are different triggers etc, that isn't a fact I'm disputing. However, not all flares produce overly large plumes of smoke and not everybody with asthma will struggle as a result of a little bit of smoke, is all. Meh.

[AoWW]

Point is I've had my question answered: no, no one else is bothered by living in a health-and-safety defined country where kids can't go on school trips and sports days are banned because there's the possibility that Little Timmy might twist his ankle.

WTF?

[Floating Fox]

Child suffers internal injuries

Match abandoned

Fans and stewards suffer horrific injuries

Red Star fans dies after being hit by flare

...I'm not even fucking trying, this stuff is dripping from a search engine.

To be fair, your point is valid, but this evidence is completly ill.

You've listed:

1) some pyscho who fired a distress flare (a completly different sort of flare) in the middle of the street.

2) A load of Italian hooligans who are losing to their bitter rivals. I dont actually see reports of injuries.

3) Another flare, lit by a moron (Well why on earth you'd throw the bugger on the pitch is beyond me)...again causing no injuries.

4) A load of serbian nutters which really dont have any relevance to this as i'm pretty sure they are constantly on ecstasy or something.

[john_lcfc]

Oh come on! Am I really the only person who finds this fear of something remotely, possibly, just a little bit unsafe really pathetic and sad?

I thought the general consensus (big word for someone thick...) was that health-and-safety in this country had gone far too far?

Agree! bring back flares, standing, charging after goals and a danger element to going away, its what its all about!! May aswell watch it on the tele otherwise.

[CosbehFox]

Child suffers internal injuries

Match abandoned

Fans and stewards suffer horrific injuries

Red Star fans dies after being hit by flare

...I'm not even fucking trying, this stuff is dripping from a search engine.

They are used in Germany every single weekend and to go further the US too.

[lcfcadam]

WTF?

Sports day cancelled because uneven playing field is a health and safety risk

Health and safety fears 'stopping children going on school trips'

etc

[AoWW]

Sports day cancelled because uneven playing field is a health and safety risk

Health and safety fears 'stopping children going on school trips'

etc

Er, yes, I know all that. I was simply wondering what school children's sports days / trips out had to do with flares at football matches?

Tenuous link, surely? But still, if it provides 'ammunition' for your argument, then go for it!

[Asha]

Do you reckon the Red Star Belgrade fans held a 21 page debate on their messageboard about the grave dangers of flares?

I bet injuries in that sort of situation are really rare, and I seriously doubt anyone there's worrying about a fookin asthma attack!

Hmm, I'm not liking your use of emphasis on the word asthma, possibly implying that it's something not worth worrying about.

There are still around 1200 asthma deaths in the UK each year, and as someone who needs to take inhalers and tablets every day to keep it under control, trying to watch a football match amidst hundreds of flares wouldn't be my idea of 'safe'.

I think the odd flare now and again is fine, and if one is bought in and I feel I'm too close to it I'd happily move for my own safety. Surrounded by them though? No thanks.

[Daggers]

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[C-man]

Hmm, I'm not liking your use of emphasis on the word asthma, possibly implying that it's something not worth worrying about.

There are still around 1200 asthma deaths in the UK each year, and as someone who needs to take inhalers and tablets every day to keep it under control, trying to watch a football match amidst hundreds of flares wouldn't be my idea of 'safe'.

I think the odd flare now and again is fine, and if one is bought in and I feel I'm too close to it I'd happily move for my own safety. Surrounded by them though? No thanks.

Valid.

Luckily I'm not a sufferer but most of my family are, and I suspect they'd share the same sensible attitude as you in this case.

Besides, I'd much rather see a whole away end on their feet and decked out in black than half a dozen flares being lit.

[WBAfan]

In my opinion flares would be a great item but only if used by one person and he has control over it (which im sure isnt the case in other countries with no health and safety policies!). They add colour to stand and make the fans noticed. Would it help out players? Probably not, but im sure it would make the matchday experience better and i would love to see a flare go off at the hawthorns or any of the baggies away days. Simply adds to the fun IMO.